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US Election: 2016

The DNC has been considering its replacement options and one that has surfaced is Michelle O.Together with the latest email dump showing Mrs Clintons disdain for the President.Maybe he will stop campaigning for her.The problem that I see is that its too late to amend the ballot.
 
tomahawk6 said:
The DNC has been considering its replacement options and one that has surfaced is Michelle O.Together with the latest email dump showing Mrs Clintons disdain for the President.Maybe he will stop campaigning for her.The problem that I see is that its too late to amend the ballot.

Naaah. There's no class system in America!

Righhhht.
 
Sep 12, 2016

ABC Nightly News ( prematurely ) Reports Mrs. Clinton's death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNBRZX-f9MQ

LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Quv42iE68
 
Latest campaign song:

Here are the words of the new version of Nat King Cole's classic "Unforgettable" thanks to Hillary. Enjoy:

You’re Deplorable, that's what you are
Irredeemable, though near or far
Like a xenophobe that clings to me
Just the thought of you does things to me

Never before has someone been more
Homophobic always, every day
And forever more, that's how you'll stay
That's why, bigot, it's supposititious

That someone so sexist and racist
Thinks that I am so deplorable too
Intolerant always, every day
And forever more, that's how you'll stay

You Islamphobe, it's incredible
That someone so unforgettable
Really thinks that I am – so forgettable too
 
Chris Pook said:
RealClearPolitics Election 2016

Election 2016  Clinton  Trump  Spread
RCP Poll Average  46.8  41.5  Clinton +5.3
4-Way RCP Average  42.6  37.1  Clinton +5.5
Favorability Ratings  -11.3  -29.3  Clinton +18.0

Betting Odds  79.0  21.0 

I'll take a fiver at 4:1.

The most amusing bit is the Favorability Ratings - literally a case of "who do you hate least?"

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

And 20% looking for ????

RCP Poll Average 45.7 44.2 Clinton +1.5Trending Down
4-Way RCP Average 41.9 40.8 Clinton +1.1Trending Down
Favorability Ratings -13.3 -20.2 Clinton +6.9
Betting Odds 66.0 34.0

Odds are now 2:1 and shortening.

Meanwhile - in the electoral college - Clinton continues to lose ground

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
 
Hillary should have paid attention to Britain’s referendum
Calling Trump’s supporters a bunch of deplorables will fuel resentment against the establishment and drive voters into his arms
Alexander Chancellor

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/hillary-should-have-paid-attention-to-britains-referendum/

Saturday, September 17 
As Race Tightens, Clinton Supporters' Anxiety Grows Matt Flegenheimer, NY Times
Dems Should Panic...Only If Polls Still Look Like This in a Week Nate Silver, 538
CNN Anchors Revolt Over Trump's Lies Jonathan Cohn, Huffington Post
Last Gasp of Media's Birther Distraction John Hinderaker, PowerLine
Tax Cuts, King Dollar & Growth: From JFK, to Reagan, to Trump Larry Kudlow, IBD
Economic Stagnation Fuels the Rise of Populism Dalibor Rohac, Foreign Policy
Could Millennials Cost Clinton the Presidency? Josh Kraushaar, National Journal
Trump: Never Wrong, Never Sorry, Never Responsible Karen Tumulty, Washington Post
Jimmy Fallon, Arsenio Hall & Trump's Surge to the White House Jake Novak, CNBC
Trump Makes His Birther Lie Worse Gail Collins, New York Times
Sidney Blumenthal Pushed Obama 'Birther' Story in 2008 David Goldstein, McClatchy
Stop Whining About 'False Balance' Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone
Clinton Foundation Spent 6% On Charitable Grants In 2014 Sean Davis, Federalist
Trump Win Could Make Climate Catastrophe Inevitable Michael Klare, Mother Jones
Sizing Up the Next Commander-in-Chief Robert Gates, Wall Street Journal
The Shady History of Big Sugar David Singerman, New York Times
Twilight of American Jewry Caroline Glick, Jerusalem Post
Election 2016: RCP Electoral Map, State Changes | No Toss Ups Map, Changes

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/


I was looking over RCP's headlines just after finishing Chancellor's piece.

I was struck be the increasing vehemence of much of the press,  people that are used to be listened to.

I get the sense of a group of people shouting louder and louder as it starts to dawn on them that they are fading in the rear view mirror as the bus pulls away.
 
Seems the media has already given him enough "scrutiny" that it's kind of hard to escape no matter which news channel you go to:

Canadian Press

As Trump rises in polls, his foes say it's time he got properly scrutinized
[The Canadian Press]
September 15, 2016

WASHINGTON — The latest polls suggest Donald Trump has a shot at becoming U.S. president — now his rivals say it's about time he started getting scrutinized like one.

The opposing camp is stewing over what it sees as a double standard.

The Clinton campaign is watching its national lead evaporate and key battleground states shifting, as it gets pummelled by the media for supposedly lacking transparency, while the other candidate is the first in generations not to release his tax returns.

Hillary Clinton's allies pointed to that disparity as she returned to the hustings Thursday after a bout with pneumonia — which had earned her criticism, because she'd kept it quiet until a video camera caught her in a near-collapse.

(...SNIPPED)

Not sure if there's any truth behind this allegation, but it certainly caused some people at the comments section in the article link below to endlessly flame each other about whether Jeffrey Epstein was connected to Trump or to Hillary's husband Bill.  :facepalm:

Mammamia

We need to talk about the child rape lawsuit filed against Donald Trump.
Mamamia

Joanna Robin
11 hrs ago


You’d think an accusation of child rape levelled at one of the most powerful men in the Western world would be front page news, and yet reports of a federal lawsuit filed against Donald Trump, which claims he and another man sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl, have hardly made a sound.

While the billionaire US presidential hopeful has denied any wrongdoing — his lawyers have described the reports as “categorically untrue, completely fabricated and politically motivated” — that doesn’t mean they aren’t potentially credible and it certainly doesn’t render them not newsworthy.

An anonymous “Jane Doe” alleges that Trump raped her in 1994 while she was being held as a sex slave in an apartment belonging to Jeffrey Epstein, a well-known American financier and convicted sex offender.

(...SNIPPED)

 
September 16, 2016

Washington Post

Trump admits Obama was born in U.S., but falsely blames Clinton for starting rumors
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/16/trump-admits-obama-was-born-in-u-s-but-falsely-blames-clinton-for-starting-rumors/
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Friday acknowledged for the first time that President Obama was born in the United States, ending his long history of stoking unfounded doubts about the nation’s first African-American president but also seeking to falsely blame Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for starting the rumors.

 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/race-tightens-projected-u-electoral-college-vote-reuters-114535676.html

NEW YORK (Reuters) - An election analysis conducted in the Reuters/Ipsos States of the Nation project shows that the race has tightened considerably over the past few weeks, with Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump projected to win Florida, an essential battleground state, if the election were held today.

The project, which is based on a weekly tracking poll of more than 15,000 Americans, shows that the 2016 presidential race could end in a photo finish on Nov. 8, with the major-party candidates running nearly even in the Electoral College, the body that ultimately selects the president.
 
but also seeking to falsely blame Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for starting the rumors.

www.politico.com/story/2008/02/obama-slams-smear-photo-008667

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/7-news-stories-2008-prove-hillary-started-obama-birtherism/

In 2008, Maggie Williams, Clinton’s campaign manager at the time, had to issue a statement regarding allegations that a staffer had circulated a picture of Senator Obama wearing traditional ‘Somali garb.’

Notably, Williams did not refute the claim, and instead argued that the photo was not controversial in any way.

“If Barack Obama’s campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed,” she stated.

http://truthfeed.com/video-more-proof-that-hillary-clinton-started-the-obama-birther-movement/23950/

I'm not sure I believe any of that, but its not quite so cut and dried, is it?
 
I have referenced the Alinsky effect in American politics a few times.  I have not been alone in that nor original.

This article on Clinton and Alinsky is interesting on a number of levels: for what it says about Clinton; for what it says about Obama; for what it says about American politics and; for what it says about the politics of disruption. 

Alinsky is appropriate for all occasions.  As the article notes - it is all about power.  Politics is power and everything is political.

In my view though the award for best American Alinskyite of 2016 needs to be given to Donald Trump.  The international award goes to Vladimir Putin.



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/want-to-understand-hillary-clinton-read-saul-alinsky/article/2602071

Want to understand Hillary Clinton? Read Saul Alinsky

By ROGER KIMBALL • 9/18/16 12:01 AM

When Ben Carson, in his speech at the Republican National Convention, drew attention to Hillary Clinton's tribute to the radical community organizer Saul Alinsky (1909-72), no eyebrows ascended. But when Carson went on to invoke Alinsky's admiration of Lucifer, and tie Clinton to that community organizer, the guffaws began in earnest.

"So are we willing," Carson asked, "to elect someone as president who has as their role model somebody who acknowledges Lucifer?"

Anyone who has actually read Alinsky, I believe, would have to take the question seriously. Alinsky's most famous book, the 1971 Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals, includes a dedication to "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer."

As for Clinton, there is no doubt that she was deeply impressed by Alinsky's work. In 1969, she wrote "'There Is Only the Fight ...': An Analysis of the Alinsky Model," a 92-page senior thesis at Wellesley College on the elder radical's tactics. At the Clintons' request, the thesis was embargoed until after they left the White House.

Readers hoping for evidence of wild-eyed revolutionary sentiment will be disappointed. It is plodding student work, admiring of Alinsky's goals while quietly taking exception to some his more extreme tactics.

Alinsky corresponded warmly with the young Clinton through the early 1970s. In 1969, he offered her a job. What did he see in her? For one thing, as he noted toward the end of Rules for Radicals, she had the right pedigree. In the coming decades, he noted, radical organizers will focus their attention on "America's white middle class. That is where the power is."

But Clinton, though flattered, decided to go to Yale Law School instead, because, she later recalled, she believed that "the system could be changed from within." She then interned at the left-wing California law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, which represented various Vietnam War protestors, the Black Panther Party and other radical organizations.

But what about Lucifer? From the perspective of orthodoxy, he is the embodiment of evil. But radicals from William Blake on down regarded him as an apostle of freedom, the ultimate anti-establishment figure whose Miltonic motto "better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n" has provided a rallying cry for generations of revolutionaries.

And a revolutionary was exactly what Alinsky was. He angrily rejected the label "communist." Like another of his acolytes, he aimed to "fundamentally transform the United States of America," but not by subjecting it to communist discipline. The most important words in his book's title are not "rules" or "radicals," but "pragmatic" and "realistic."

There was a sense in which he, like Clinton, sought to work within the system. "We will start with the system because there is no other place to start except political lunacy." But his goal, as he said again and again, was revolution. "My aim here is how to organize for power: how to get it and to use it" for the sake of revolution.

Rules for Radicals is a curious book. It is impressively literate, with apposite quotations from Lincoln, Shakespeare, Tom Paine, Tocqueville and others salted throughout the text. I particularly admired a quotation from Tocqueville that begins, "It must not be forgotten that it is especially dangerous to enslave men in the minor details of life." That, of course, is precisely what the intrusive regulatory state excels at.

But it would be a mistake to see Alinsky as an enemy of the regulatory state or as apostle of individual freedom. His pragmatism was cold, ruthless and thoroughgoing. He might employ the soothing rhetoric of individual freedom, but his unwavering goal was the acquisition and deployment of power.

It is in this Luciferian context, the worship of power, that his influence on Clinton is most patent.

One of the most eye-opening chapters of Rules for Radicals is given over to a meditation on means and ends. Does the end justify the means? That depends, Alinsky says. He then provides a chilling anatomy of that calculus that winds up justifying the use of any means provided that the desired end can be obtained.

He admiringly cites Lenin's observation that the Bolsheviks "stood for getting power through the ballot, but would reconsider after they got the guns."

Behind this calculating, amoral pragmatism is an utter contempt for the rule of law. As an example, Alinsky once suggested buying a block of 100 tickets for working-class blacks for a quiet classical concert by the Rochester Symphony. An hour or so beforehand he would feed them all a large dinner consisting of nothing but baked beans.

"The people would go to the symphony hall — with obvious consequences. Imagine the scene when the action began! The concert would be over before the first movement!" Among the things recommending this tactic, Alinsky explained, was its deviousness.

There would be "absolutely nothing here that the police department or the ushers or any other servants of the establishment could do about it. The law would be completely paralyzed."

This apparently surreal example brings us to an important point. Social life in a free society requires a certain slack. There are many things that we expect people to do (and not do) that fall outside the purview of the law. But a dedicated mischief maker, which is what an Alinskyite radical is, can frustrate the amplitudes of freedom by always pushing up against the limits of legal behavior.

What Burke called "the unbought grace of life" would soon be shattered as increasing taunts would call forth increasingly intrusive responses from the law.

The prime Alinskyite supposition is that "all life is partisan. There is no dispassionate objectivity." One might — in fact, one should — mouth various nostrums about the welfare of children, access to healthcare, etc.; one might rail against inequality, sexism, racism, homophobia, etc., but at the end of the day, politics was all about the acquisition of power and life was all about politics.


This seems to me to be an accurate epitome of the Clintons' modus operandi. It is not original to Alinsky, but he gave it a distinctively American twist. In his chapter on "tactics," he offers various practical tips that might have come straight out of the Clinton, or the Obama, playbook.

Rule No. 13: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it ... All issues must be polarized if action is to follow." So if Bill forces himself on a Gennifer or Juanita, you avail yourself of this tactic by having James Carville appear on television scoffing that if you "drag a $100 bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find." Or consider the protracted abuse figures such as Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney were subjected to.

One of Alinsky's most potent rules is No. 4: "Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules." That included this: "You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian can live up to Christianity." Note the diction: Alinsky, like the Clintons, assumes he is dealing not with political opponents, people of good will who disagree about some aspect of a problem, but an enemy.

You do not seek to convince or persuade enemies. You seek to destroy them. The Left does not live up to its rules any more than does the Right, but the charge of hypocrisy always seems more pertinent when directed at the Right, primarily because the Left has been more expert in harnessing this Alinskyite tactic.

One last Alinsky tactic: A leader, he writes, "must assume that his cause is 100 percent positive and the opposition 100 percent negative." So, for example, when Clinton addressed an LGBT fundraiser two weeks ago, she infamously said that half of those who support Donald Trump belong in a "basket of deplorables." They were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it."

Writing off tens of millions of voters earned Clinton some portion of the obloquy she deserved, but as I think Glenn Reynolds was the first to point out, even more disturbing was her subsequent description of this vast population as "irredeemable" and "thankfully not America." Again, what do you do with people who are "irredeemable"?

If Clinton had been a Republican, the media would have made certain that those remarks were the end of her campaign. Consider what happened to Mitt Romney when he made the far more anodyne and truthful observation that 47 percent of workers were unlikely to respond favorably to his tax plan.

CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times and other outposts of the Democratic National Committee's press office worked overtime to hammer that nail into the coffin of his campaign.

At the end of the day, however, I think it has to be said that Clinton is an imperfect Alinskyite. Not only is she less adept tactically than President Obama, but her overall goal fails the Alinsky test.

In a famous passage near the beginning of Rules for Radicals, Alinsky writes that, "The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away."

The disturbing truth is that both Clintons have employed Alinsky's radical tactics not for the sake of the have-not's but in order to catapult themselves into the gilded ranks of the plutocratic haves.

They left the White House some $500,000 in debt. They now command a personal fortune estimated to be in excess of $200 million. How they did it is common knowledge, even if it goes largely unremarked by their enablers in the media.

One thing we can be sure of: Alinsky would not have been amused.
 
Have Donald Trump's views changed over the last 30 years? Interesting video clips here (also notice that the usual suspects who are foaming at the mouth were quite content to treat Mr Trump and his views with respect in the past, even though his saying the same thing today evokes a quite different response): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

And Trump playing the Media and performing an amazing Aikido move on them, making them come and listen to 30 minutes of American generals, Medal of Honour winners and other American heroes before making the "Obama was born in America" statement. No winder the CNN commentators seemed so angry and butthurt the other day.

And lastly: "Les Deplorables" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rayCtT27Kwc (the first minute of the video) Heh!

 
Reddit I think may have blown up Sec Clinton's lost email lie.Paul Combetta was granted immunity by the FBI.The firestorm is just gaining legs.Of course the MSM may try to tamp this down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HillaryForPrison/comments/53gac1/citizen_journalist_sleuthed_up_key_bleachbit/
 
Interesting perspective by Jane Goodall on why Trump has gotten as far as he has.

Although I would say that Trump is more Orangutan than Chimp. :nod:

When Donald Meets Hillary
Who will win the debates? Trump’s approach was an important part of his strength in the primaries. But will it work when he faces Clinton onstage?


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/10/who-will-win/497561/

In many ways the performances of Donald Trump remind me of male chimpanzees and their dominance rituals,” Jane Goodall, the anthropologist, told me shortly before Trump won the GOP nomination. “In order to impress rivals, males seeking to rise in the dominance hierarchy perform spectacular displays: stamping, slapping the ground, dragging branches, throwing rocks. The more vigorous and imaginative the display, the faster the individual is likely to rise in the hierarchy, and the longer he is likely to maintain that position.”

In her book My Life With the Chimpanzees, Goodall told the story of “Mike,” a chimp who maintained his dominance by kicking a series of kerosene cans ahead of him as he moved down a road, creating confusion and noise that made his rivals flee and cower. She told me she would be thinking of Mike as she watched the upcoming debates.

“Vigorous and imaginative” displays on Trump’s part and steady error avoidance on Clinton’s are the stories of their progress through the primary-cycle debates. Clinton is her party’s nominee independent of anything that happened in the 10 Democratic debates and town halls, and with minimal effect from them on her financial, endorsement, and name-recognition advantages. Trump is his party’s nominee largely because of the Republicans’ 20-some debates, town halls, forums, and other live-television displays.
 
I dont see Hillary as being well enough to debate.In fact with this new information about her ordering the emails to be deleted I wouldnt be surprised if Obama and the DNC try to replace her at the 11th hour.
 
tomahawk6 said:
I dont see Hillary as being well enough to debate.In fact with this new information about her ordering the emails to be deleted I wouldnt be surprised if Obama and the DNC try to replace her at the 11th hour.

How can they replace her?
 
There are claims of body doubles. Check some of the clips on YouTube.
 
I dont know what the DNC rules are pertaining to this potential situation.I just have seen articles discussing the possibilities.If she got elected then the Constitution dictates that procedure so her VP would take office.All the polls right now show Trump surging and top Democrats are worried.The name being floated is Michelle Obama which in effect would give President Obama a 4th term.Sanders would be the best replacement IMO for the Democrats if it came to that.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/13/could-democrats-replace-hillary-clinton-ballot/
 
Loachman said:
There are claims of body doubles. Check some of the clips on YouTube.

Too bad it's not Sarah Palin we are talking about: We would know exactly who to hire as "body double"  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ1jr1Mm8E
 
Mr Trump is even more likely to win now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7b3OIgCsVQ

I still hope that one of his first acts is to fire Trudeau.
 
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