University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM) 2005 - 2018 [Merged]
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Well done to you, stoker35, and best of luck with your future. 
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Congrats stoker35! I got my offer on 4 Apr.
Hello all,
This was a very insightful discussion on this topic.
I didn’t think that it would be wise and appropriate to open a new topic so I’ll post my question/comment here.
One of my intermediate goals is to be accepted into UTPNCM program. I have 7 years in and I am not competitive enough. I am looking to PM with someone that has gone thought this process recently…possibly to follow-up a few times, as a possible mentor. This would be a 2-3 year plan for me. I realize that there is PSO, I just thought that this may be more practical and personable.
Thank you.
This was a very insightful discussion on this topic.
I didn’t think that it would be wise and appropriate to open a new topic so I’ll post my question/comment here.
One of my intermediate goals is to be accepted into UTPNCM program. I have 7 years in and I am not competitive enough. I am looking to PM with someone that has gone thought this process recently…possibly to follow-up a few times, as a possible mentor. This would be a 2-3 year plan for me. I realize that there is PSO, I just thought that this may be more practical and personable.
Thank you.
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I thought I would bring this up: as far as the weighting goes I have my doubts. I was a Signals trade before, and my recruiter told me she only recommended me for one trade (int) as I had done it previously, and that she would NOT recommend me of the other trades selected (ARMD, ARTY) That being said my CO's letter recommended me for MOSID 00178 (ARMD) and I was given an offer, despite the PSO's recommendation. Just FYI!
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So there I was, starting my claims at the ULO Office for my third year of Mechanical Engineering, and I heard that there were changes in the regulations for the commissioning of UTPNCMs. When I signed up for it my offer/message stated that I would be commissioned to the rank of S/Alt and then simultaneously promoted to Slt, as I was a MS with PLQ. The regulations at the time stated this and so did the SEM guide (not an official document). The SEM guide for 2013/14 academic year stated this as well. I just got my hands on the guide for this year and it now states:
Being a MS with Spec 1, I will max out the A/Slt pay scale in a few years but I know that PO2's may not have that luxury. I would have had to spend three years as a Slt before eligibility for promotion to Lt(N), being an A/Slt probably will not hamper or delay my progression in training. What gets me is that I find out from another member about the change buried in a lengthy document. Nothing was circulated about these changes either. The plan is to file a grievance.
On a final note, from the rumors I have heard (everyone loves rumors) some graduates from this spring who were supposed to be promoted to Slt and they were not. They also filed a grievance and had it denied. Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as I am and if they have any experiences on this subject they would like to share.
Being a MS with Spec 1, I will max out the A/Slt pay scale in a few years but I know that PO2's may not have that luxury. I would have had to spend three years as a Slt before eligibility for promotion to Lt(N), being an A/Slt probably will not hamper or delay my progression in training. What gets me is that I find out from another member about the change buried in a lengthy document. Nothing was circulated about these changes either. The plan is to file a grievance.
On a final note, from the rumors I have heard (everyone loves rumors) some graduates from this spring who were supposed to be promoted to Slt and they were not. They also filed a grievance and had it denied. Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as I am and if they have any experiences on this subject they would like to share.
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I got my commissioning message a couple of weeks ago and still says simultaneous promotion to 1Lt.
"5. PROMOTED IMMEDIATELY TO LT. AUTH PAY UNDER PROVISION OF CBI
204.211 PARA(4) AND REF E"
Ref E is CBI 204.09, though those are pay documents. There would have to have been something superseding policies in CFAO 11-6 for this change I think?
Still waiting to submit my final marks to CDA but this is the first I've heard.
"5. PROMOTED IMMEDIATELY TO LT. AUTH PAY UNDER PROVISION OF CBI
204.211 PARA(4) AND REF E"
Ref E is CBI 204.09, though those are pay documents. There would have to have been something superseding policies in CFAO 11-6 for this change I think?
Still waiting to submit my final marks to CDA but this is the first I've heard.
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MeanJean said:
Back when I was a Lt many years ago, you could go to QR&Os and/or CFAOs and find an answer to pretty much anything. Nowadays, "the regs" are a f****** disaster. Best of luck with your search, but if this is a recent change, it'll probably be years before CFAOs and/or DAODs are updated.
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FWIW (and agreeing completely with Transporter about the state of the regulations), my understanding was that MS who take UTPNCM are only automatically promoted to Slt (i.e. given treatment similar to CFR) if they are qualified for promotion to PO2: i.e. if you have the time in rank and course requirements for promotion to PO2, but are lacking only promotion selection to PO2.MeanJean said:
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