Because we're not the EBay police? Should we also be conducting spot checks of every military surplus store and pawn shop in Canada too?Stoker said:I never realized that this was such a problem. Instead of everyone complaining to the MP's, why are the MP's not monitoring e bay on a daily basis for this sort of illegal sale of controlled military items? It shouldn't have to be people on this site.
ArmyVern said:And, that is exactly it. He would have had to turn them in to clear (they're CTAT/ITAR items) --- that's NOT what's occured.
What occured is he either reported his lost or stolen (ie he lied as you said) and had them re-issued with a write-off occuring for the original items from his charge. Absolutely 100% fraudulent actions on Government paperwork and theft.
MOST likely though - he stole these items from one of his "buddies", perhaps even a coursemate; and SCREWED them out of their kit - making them submit MLRs when their items "somehow, mysteriously, got lost). Ni-iice. Absolutely 100% fraudulent actions on Government paperwork AND theft.
CountDC said:or he is/was a reservist who just walked away with the kit. Went NES and received a nice certificate in the mail saying Honourably Released from the CF.
garb811 said:Because we're not the EBay police? Should we also be conducting spot checks of every military surplus store and pawn shop in Canada too?
garb811 said:Because we're not the EBay police? Should we also be conducting spot checks of every military surplus store and pawn shop in Canada too?
ArmyVern said:Possibly.
But, I've gotten requests from AJAGs before for doc listings so that they could include them in the "registered" delivery of the legal mail those NES guys would be receiving.
garb811 said:Because we're not the EBay police? Should we also be conducting spot checks of every military surplus store and pawn shop in Canada too?
recceguy said:..........and I wonder how many of those 'sellers' lurk here and yank their stuff for awhile when they see the heat put on it. We've had lots of threads about people selling illegal stuff, but I don't remember too many stories about anyone being caught and convicted, because of our actions. I sometimes wonder if we let the cat out of the bag with our long threads and discussions.
UNAUTHORIZED DISPOSAL OF COMBAT UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT
CANFORGEN 120/02 DSSPM 0089 300845Z OCT 02
UNCLASSIFIED
REFS: A. CANADIAN FORCES SUPPLY MANUAL (CFSM) A-LM-007-014-AG-001 CHAPTER 3 SECTION 2 PARAGRAPH 2
B. CANADIAN FORCES SUPPLY MANUAL (CFSM) A-LM-007-014-AG-001 CHAPTER 28 ANNEX D APPENDIX 13
C. NATIONAL DEFENCE ACT (NDA) PART III CODE OF SERVICE DISCIPLINE SECTION 116
THE PURPOSE OF THIS MSG IS TO REMIND MEMBERS OF REGULATIONS WITH RESPECT TO ILLEGAL SALE OR DISPOSAL OF CROWN ASSETS.
THE INTRODUCTION OF THE CANADIAN DISRUPTIVE PATTERN (CADPAT) HAS RESULTED IN A BLACK MARKET DEMAND FOR CAMOUFLAGE ITEMS WHEREBY CADPAT CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT HAVE BECOME QUOTE HOT TICKET UNQUOTE COLLECTABLES.
REF A DEFINES COMBAT CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT AS A QUOTE PERSONAL ALLOTMENT UNQUOTE ACCOUNTED FOR ON AN INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNT (IA) AND ARE RETAINED BY INDIVIDUALS AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO MEET THE ENTITLEMENT PARAMETERS OF THE APPLICABLE ENTITLEMENT GROUP CODE (EGC). COMBAT CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT INCLUDING CADPAT ITEMS ARE CROWN ASSETS AND MUST RPT MUST BE SURRENDERED TO THE SUPPLY SYSTEM WHEN ENTITLEMENT NO LONGER EXISTS. SERVICEABLE CADPAT RPT CADPAT ITEMS WILL BE RETAINED AND RE-ISSUED WHILE ITEMS BEYOND ECONOMICAL REPAIR SHALL BE DESTROYED LOCALLY IAW REF B.
NOTWITHSTANDING THE PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH UNAUTHORIZED SALE OR DISPOSAL OF COMBAT CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT AS DETAILED AT REF C, PERSONNEL ARE ALSO REMINDED THAT THE INHERENT CAMOUFLAGE AND NEAR INFRA-RED (IR) CAPABILITY OF CADPAT MATERIAL OR OTHER ITEMS INCORPORATING STATE OF THE ART TECHNOLOGY FALLS UNDER FORCE PROTECTION. SUCH CAPABILITY IN THE WRONG OR ENEMY HANDS JEOPARDIZES THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF CANADIAN TROOPS. CADPAT PATTERNS AND TECHNICAL DATA ARE PATENT AND COPYRIGHT PROTECTED. ADDITIONALLY, THE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE (DND) HAS ACQUIRED THE TRADEMARK FOR EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE CADPAT ACRONYM. MEMBERS ARE ADVISED THAT CADPAT COMBAT CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT IS STILL IN DELIVERY AND EVERY SET COUNTS.
THE DISPOSAL OF COMBAT UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT RESTS WITH DND AND NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.
BinRat55 said:Found this (if it's on here already my apologies...)
It might not be criminal. It is a violation of copy write to sell something and call it CADPAT without permission. It is also lying to the consumer if that something is not CADPAT, and it is piracy if that something is CADPAT.Boxkicker said:One of the things I learned was that it was not illegal to sell CADPAT as long as it was not the material used by the military.
Chapeski said:Having just returned from another visit to my friends at the MP shack (long week) I have passed more info on to the investigatingOfficerpatrolmen. There are now two persons involved in the report, and I was told there is now the possibility of an NIS investigation to do a sweep and get all of them at once. That's not a for sure,but I sure hope it is. Much thanks to those that passed information onto me, you know who you are, I won't do a call out, but thank you, info passed. I was absolutely shocked at the stuff one fellow had up for sale.
Cheers!
Eye In The Sky said:Excellent. Hopefully they nail everyone that can that is ripping off the CF and Joe and Jane Taxpayer.
(Unless the MP you were talking to is an MPO (Officer), they are patrolmen. MPs are NCMs just like the rest of us 8))
Chapeski said:With that being said, I do agree, I can't stand seeing people rip off the crown, they pay for it out of their taxes too, and complain their taxes are high, a vicious circle I think.