U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)

[cupper]

Looks like The first clash between Trump and the Courts is starting starting to shape up. Hope he doesn't blow up Twitter over this. (Yeah right)

Federal judge grants stay to allow those with visas to remain, 10 still detained at JFK

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/28/custom-officials-enforcing-trump-immigration-ban-at-us-airports.html

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Two Iraqi refugees detained at JFK airport
A federal judge in Brooklyn, New York issued an emergency stay Saturday night that temporarily blocks the U.S. government from sending people out of the country after they have landed at a U.S. airport with valid visas.

The order barred U.S. border agents from removing anyone who arrived in the U.S. with a valid visa from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen. It also covered anyone with an approved refugee application. The Department of Homeland Security said that more than 170 people were denied entry to the U.S. as of Saturday night, according to Reuters.

The ruling by Judge Ann Donnelly of the U.S. District Courtfor the Eastern District of New York came during a hearing called after President Donald Trump issued an executive order blocking people from seven Muslim-majority from entering the United States and putting a temporary halt to refugee admissions

Twelve refugees were detained at JFK Airport within hours of Trump's order restricting immigration from seven majority-Muslim nations -- but two were released later in the day -- as hundreds of protesters continued to amass at the busy airport throughout the day and into the evening. 

One of the Iraqis, Hameed Jhalid Darweesh, 53, was released by midday Saturday. “I suffered to move here, to get my family here …. I can’t go back,” Darweesh said shortly after his release, according to the New York Post. Asked if he’d be killed in Iraq, he answered: “Yes, yes.”

Protesters assemble at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, Saturday, Jan. 28, 2017 after two Iraqi refugees were detained while trying to enter the country. On Friday, Jan. 27, President Donald Trump signed an executive order suspending all immigration from countries with terrorism concerns for 90 days. Countries included in the ban are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen, which are all Muslim-majority nations.

Hameed Khalid Darweesh, an Army interpreter in Iraq, had been stopped as he traveled with his wife and three kids when agents pulled him aside, according to the New York Times.

The other Iraqi detainee, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, 33, was released at about 6:30 p.m. The fate of 10 other refugees, whose nationalities were not immediately known, is unclear.

Reps. Jerrold Nadler (D-Manhattan) and Nydia Velazquez (D-Brooklyn) announced the number of refugees held at the airport. “This should not happen in America. We shouldn’t have to demand the release of refugees one by one,” the two members of Congress said in a statement.

"They have been detained illegally. I am begging you to go and revisit this. It's ill-advised, it's mean spirited," said Velazquez, during a press conference.

Meanwhile, the National Immigration Law Center and other civil liberties organizations have filed a suit in federal court in New York on behalf of the two Iraqi men that seeks to certify the case as a class-action on behalf of other who organizers claim have been detained illegally. Karen Tumlin, legal director at the NILC, issued the following statement:

“Trump’s order keeps some of the world’s most vulnerable people in life threatening danger. ... Many refugees like our client risked their lives to help the United States government. The fact that the government has now decided to turn its back on those who served and protected us isn’t just unconscionable. It’s unconstitutional.”

Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe (D) held an afternoon press conference in response to Trump's actions to say that we "cannot tolerate this type of activity."

The White House moved Saturday to defend the president’s refugee order, saying Muslims are not being targeted.


“The notion that this is a ‘Muslim ban’ is ludicrous,” a senior administration official confirmed to Fox News.

Other travelers were being stopped from boarding U.S.-bound flights at overseas airports as the Trump refugee ban went into effect Friday night.

Trump on Friday suspended refugee admissions for four months and indefinitely banned those from war-torn Syria, pending program changes that are to ensure refugees won't harm national security.

A U.S. federal law enforcement official says any non-U.S. citizen from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia or Yemen is now barred from entering the United States.

That covers legal permanent residents -- green card holders -- and visa-holders from those seven countries who are out of the United States after Friday, when President Donald Trump signed an executive order with the temporary ban. They cannot return to the U.S. for 90 days.

The official says there's an exemption for immigrants and legal permanent residents whose entry is in the U.S. national interest, but it's unclear how that exemption will be applied.

The official says visa and green card holders already in the U.S. will be allowed to stay. The official wasn't authorized to publicly discuss the details of how Trump's order is being put in place and spoke only on condition of anonymity.

Customs and Border Protection is notifying airlines about passengers whose visas had been canceled or legal residents scheduled to fly back to the U.S., and the airlines are being told to keep them off those flights.

The order also imposes a temporary ban on travelers from Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Sudan and Yemen.

The lawyers said custom agents wouldn’t let them meet with their clients who they said had valid visas to enter the U.S.

“Who is the person we need to talk to?” asked Mark Doss, a lawyer with the International Refugee Assistance Project.

“Mr. President,” the paper quoted a customs agent as responding. “Call Mr. Trump.”

“President Trump's war on equality is already taking a terrible human toll. This ban cannot be allowed to continue,” the group's Omar Jadwat said.

In Cairo, airport officials prevented seven U.S.-bound migrants -- six from Iraq and one from Yemen -- from boarding an EgyptAir flight to New York.

The officials said the seven migrants, escorted by officials from the U.N. refugee agency, were stopped from boarding the plane after authorities at Cairo airport contacted their counterparts at JFK.

Qatar Airways told passengers bound for the U.S. from the seven newly banned majority Muslim countries that they need to have either a U.S. green card or diplomatic visa to travel.

A statement on the company's website says: "Nationals of the following countries: Sudan, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen ... may travel to the U.S. only if they are in possession of a permanent resident card (Green card) or any of the below visas."

It listed foreign government, United Nations, international organization and NATO visas.

Late Friday, the International Rescue Committee called Trump's suspension of the U.S. refugee resettlement program a "harmful and hasty" decision.

The group’s president David Miliband said, "America must remain true to its core values. America must remain a beacon of hope."

He said the U.S. vetting process for prospective refugees is already robust -- involving biometric screening and up to 36 months of vetting by "12 to 15 government agencies."

“This is no time for America to turn its back on people ready to become patriotic Americans,” he said.

 

[tomahawk6]

Ok Mr Cupper,how do you vet someone from Syria or Libya ? They lack the basic means to track their own citizens. As Europe has discovered to their sorrow that the refugee's they took in hid a number of terrorists. The safe path is to deny then entry. It is the duty of the government to provide for the safety of its citizens over any potential newcomer. The world has changed and not for the better I am afraid. Its a daunting security task.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan surely should have been on the list.

 

[tomahawk6]

Judge Donnelly's order is a bit narrow in scope.

Judge Ann M. Donnelly of Federal District Court in Brooklyn, who was nominated by former President Barack Obama, ruled just before 9 p.m. that implementing Mr. Trump’s order by sending the travelers home could cause them “irreparable harm.” She said the government was “enjoined and restrained from, in any manner and by any means, removing individuals” who had arrived in the United States with valid visas or refugee status.

The ruling does not appear to force the administration to let in people otherwise blocked by Mr. Trump’s order who have not yet traveled to the United States.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan surely should have been on the list.

Your getting me wrong. I just gave my opinion, you saw my smilie. I simply asked people to try look through a different lens. I'm not supporting anything. Just making observations.

But just so I can bow out, see below.

All I'll say on the matter is, until my government can assure me that none of their new voters will kill any of us, others and their own, for Islam while here.

Not until the libranos can tell me that my grandson will never see sharia law allowed anywhere in Canada, no matter how small the enclave.

Not until we only support them for one year. After that they have a job and are self sufficient. They stay clear of social services and remain employed for five years be model citizens with no criminal proceedings. One has to go back? Everyone in his family that came in with him goes back.

I guess my biggest take away is that the less of them that come to North America the better, for now, until all this shit gets sorted. I applaude the POTUS for stemming the tide until, there's consensus, on how to deal and vette everyone.

There's more, but those are pretty close to the top, I'm sure you get my slant.

My opinion. I'll change it on the fly. I can do what I want with it. It's mine, no one else's.

I just want to move away. I feel I've said all I need to this point but, I'll reserve the right to jump back in if I have the need. Wow, that was waaaayyy longer than intended. If you read this far, I apologize.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan surely should have been on the list.

Saudi? Not if you need a firm base of support amongst the world's leading Sunni country to help you launch an extended campaign against the Shias (a.k.a. Iran). #battleprepforgulfwarIII

 

[Fishbone Jones]

:goodpost:

 

[jollyjacktar]

Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan surely should have been on the list.

Pakistan as well, two faced SOBs

 

[Jarnhamar]

[quote author=recceguy]

There's more, but those are pretty close to the top, I'm sure you get my slant.

My opinion. I'll change it on the fly. I can do what I want with it. It's mine, no one else's.

I just want to move away. I feel I've said all I need to this point but, I'll reserve the right to jump back in if I have the need. Wow, that was waaaayyy longer than intended. If you read this far, I apologize.

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Whole heartedly agree with you  and your opinion above.  Europe is a wreck  let's keep north America from following. 

Physically trumps Muslim ban is more for show than physical results but it can be a start to combating the pic "it'd not their fault it's their culture"  crap going on.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Thanks for sharing the other view, RG.

... How about the Muslim countries not on the list are not a concern, nor are their Muslim citizens. The ban is on countries that are exporting terrorism ...

That does fit, to a certain extent.  Picking on that one word in yellow, though, I guess allegedly funding terrorism (or not blocking it)* is not a priority, then, to #POTUS45.

Saudi? Not if you need a firm base of support amongst the world's leading Sunni country to help you launch an extended campaign against the Shias (a.k.a. Iran). #battleprepforgulfwarIII

Still, see my comment above - how "firm" is that base?  #WeDoneWithAlQaedaYet?

I'd love to share the Executive Order dealing with refugees, but it's not posted to the whitehouse.gov web page yet - even though things coming out today (28 Jan 2017) already are.  So far, only some MSM sharing of texts:

• NY Times
• CNN
• Wall Street Journal (need subscription)

There's a PDF with text out there, but I can't tell where it comes from (source of link is Wikipedia entry, so caveat lector).  There's also a PDF over @ the BBC, but it's not formatted the same way as the previous one.  Pick your poison, I guess.

I guess Team POTUS45's too busy to post it officially yet -- I'm sure they'll post it when they think we really need to see it.  #AlternativeTransparency #TalkingStraightToAmericansOnlySometimes

* -- I picked a source that also isn't happy with the pink hat protests just to make sure it's not "fake news" from MSM, for those paying attention to those distinctions.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Mr. Trump's decision is a reflection of the growing anger in the US towards the Muslim world.  We've been at war culturally with that part of the world for a while now but the politics are starting the catch up. 

 

[mariomike]

* -- I picked a source that also isn't happy with the pink hat protests just to make sure it's not "fake news" from MSM, for those paying attention to those distinctions.

Another Tweet about "FAKE NEWS" today,

"Somebody with aptitude and conviction should buy the FAKE NEWS and failing @nytimes and either run it correctly or let it fold with dignity!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/825690087857995776

 

[George Wallace]

All I'll say on the matter is, until my government can assure me that none of their new voters will kill any of us, others and their own, for Islam while here.

Not until the libranos can tell me that my grandson will never see sharia law allowed anywhere in Canada, no matter how small the enclave.

Not until we only support them for one year. After that they have a job and are self sufficient. They stay clear of social services and remain employed for five years be model citizens with no criminal proceedings. One has to go back? Everyone in his family that came in with him goes back.

I guess my biggest take away is that the less of them that come to North America the better, for now, until all this shit gets sorted. I applaude the POTUS for stemming the tide until, there's consensus, on how to deal and vette everyone.

There's more, but those are pretty close to the top, I'm sure you get my slant.

My opinion. I'll change it on the fly. I can do what I want with it. It's mine, no one else's.

I just want to move away. I feel I've said all I need to this point but, I'll reserve the right to jump back in if I have the need. Wow, that was waaaayyy longer than intended. If you read this far, I apologize.

Agreed.  We need immigrants.  What we don't need are migrants who have no intend on integrating  or assimilating into our society.  We don't need migrants who have only one intent to convert our society to that of the one they left.  Those are not immigrants, but invaders.  That, I believe, is what Trump is intending.  He has not closed the doors; he has become more selective as to whom he allows into his house, the USA.  He wants to ensure that no radicals, who are a threat to the USA, come through the doors.  At the same time, I believe our own policies need to be more scrutinous in their application to ensure the safety of Canadians, old and new.

Trudeau's comments that he will take up the slack created by Trump's selective process, may lead us down a path that will not be very favourable to Canada.  If the US feels that our Immigration/Refugee Policies are not regulated to ensure proper screening, they may see that as a threat to their National Security and close our borders.  They may require Canadians to have Visas to visit or do business in the USA.  It is a worse case scenario, but one that must be factored in when our Government makes its policies and announcements on whom we accept as refugees and immigrants.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Mr. Trump's decision is a reflection of the growing anger in the US towards the Muslim world.  We've been at war culturally with that part of the world for a while now but the politics are starting the catch up.

Speaking of which, this just up today (also attached in case link doesn't work) - highlights mine ...

Presidential Memorandum Plan to Defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria

January 28, 2017

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM – 3

MEMORANDUM FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT
              THE SECRETARY OF STATE
              THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
              THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
              THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
              THE SECRETARY OF ENERGY
              THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY
              THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF OF STAFF
              THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
              THE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AFFAIRS
              THE COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT
              THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
              THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF

SUBJECT: Plan to Defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, is not the only threat from radical Islamic terrorism that the United States faces, but it is among the most vicious and aggressive.  It is also attempting to create its own state, which ISIS claims as a "caliphate."  But there can be no accommodation or negotiation with it.  For those reasons I am directing my Administration to develop a comprehensive plan to defeat ISIS.

ISIS is responsible for the violent murder of American citizens in the Middle East, including the beheadings of James Foley, Steven Sotloff, and Peter Abdul-Rahman Kassig, as well as the death of Kayla Mueller.  In addition, ISIS has inspired attacks in the United States, including the December 2015 attack in San Bernardino, California, and the June 2016 attack in Orlando, Florida.  ISIS is complicit in a number of terrorist attacks on our allies in which Americans have been wounded or killed, such as the November 2015 attack in Paris, France, the March 2016 attack in Brussels, Belgium, the July 2016 attack in Nice, France, and the December 2016 attack in Berlin, Germany.

ISIS has engaged in a systematic campaign of persecution and extermination in those territories it enters or controls.  If ISIS is left in power, the threat that it poses will only grow.  We know it has attempted to develop chemical weapons capability.  It continues to radicalize our own citizens, and its attacks against our allies and partners continue to mount.  The United States must take decisive action to defeat ISIS.

Sec. 1.  Policy.  It is the policy of the United States that ISIS be defeated.

Sec. 2.  Policy Coordination.  Policy coordination, guidance, dispute resolution, and periodic in-progress reviews for the functions and programs described and assigned in this memorandum shall be provided through the interagency process established in National Security Presidential Memorandum – 2 of January 28, 2017 (Organization of the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council), or any successor.

(i)    Development of a new plan to defeat ISIS (the Plan) shall commence immediately.

(ii)  Within 30 days, a preliminary draft of the Plan to defeat ISIS shall be submitted to the President by the Secretary of Defense.

(iii)  The Plan shall include:

(A)  a comprehensive strategy and plans for the defeat of ISIS;

(B)  recommended changes to any United States rules of engagement and other United States policy restrictions that exceed the requirements of international law regarding the use of force against ISIS;

(C)  public diplomacy, information operations, and cyber strategies to isolate and delegitimize ISIS and its radical Islamist ideology;

(D)  identification of new coalition partners in the fight against ISIS and policies to empower coalition partners to fight ISIS and its affiliates;

(E)  mechanisms to cut off or seize ISIS's financial support, including financial transfers, money laundering, oil revenue, human trafficking, sales of looted art and historical artifacts, and other revenue sources; and

(F)  a detailed strategy to robustly fund the Plan.

    (b)  Participants.  The Secretary of Defense shall develop the Plan in collaboration with the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism.

    (c)  Development of the Plan.  Consistent with applicable law, the Participants identified in subsection (b) of this section shall compile all information in the possession of the Federal Government relevant to the defeat of ISIS and its affiliates.  All executive departments and agencies shall, to the extent permitted by law, promptly comply with any request of the Participants to provide information in their possession or control pertaining to ISIS.  The Participants may seek further information relevant to the Plan from any appropriate source.

    (d)  The Secretary of Defense is hereby authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register

                              DONALD J. TRUMP

Also, based on this, who needs the Director of National Intelligence or the Chair of the Joint Chiefs on the National Security Council?  Need this guy, though ...

 

[ModlrMike]

Trudeau's comments that he will take up the slack created by Trump's selective process, may lead us down a path that will not be very favourable to Canada.  If the US feels that our Immigration/Refugee Policies are not regulated to ensure proper screening, they may see that as a threat to their National Security and close our borders.  They may require Canadians to have Visas to visit or do business in the USA.  It is a worse case scenario, but one that must be factored in when our Government makes its policies and announcements on whom we accept as refugees and immigrants.

Indeed. There persists a pernicious belief in some parts of the US that we serve a s a conduit for people who would do the US harm. We do not need to reinforce that belief. If the US ultimately believes that Canadians travelers are a potential security risk, then the harm to our economy could be significant. Our government needs to bear this calculus in mind when they react off the cuff.

 

[George Wallace]

It may be too late.  The harm may have already been done.

Trudeau says Canada will take refugees banned by U.S.

 

[George Wallace]

So it turns out that the List of Banned States is not Trump's list, but a list from the Obama regime:

OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION MADE THE “MUSLIM BAN” POSSIBLE AND THE MEDIA WON’T TELL YOU a blog article by Seth J. Frantzman, January 28, 2017

 

[cupper]

Indeed. There persists a pernicious belief in some parts of the US that we serve a s a conduit for people who would do the US harm. We do not need to reinforce that belief. If the US ultimately believes that Canadians travelers are a potential security risk, then the harm to our economy could be significant. Our government needs to take bear this calculus in mind when they react off the cuff.

It may be too late.  The harm may have already been done.

Trudeau says Canada will take refugees banned by U.S.

I think the harm was done during 9/11 with the false reporting that the hijackers who passed through the Portland ME airport entered the country from Canada. Taken in conjunction with the Millenium Bomber being caught after arriving on a ferry from Canada it firmly emplanted into the American psyche.

This will only help to reinforce the myth.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The suspension of entry is a temporary measure while the administration sorts out how to better screen applicants from countries that are essentially either unable or unwilling to provide much assistance to the US in screening.

It is neither a "ban" nor - self-evidently - against "Muslims".  It definitely has flaws - the issue of whether it covers green card holders, for example.

And while on the face of it, it spins poorly in the news, it isn't significantly materially different from policies of the prior administration, and depends on legislation enacted by the prior Congress and supported by the prior administration.

 

[gryphonv]

The sad thing about this, the left don't realize, that Trump is just a result from all the SJW culture that has evolved over the Obama administration.

All the attacks against predominately White Straight Men, for nothing more than being White Straight Men.

Racism became ok if you were not white. Sexism became ok if you were not a Man, and Gender discrimination became ok if you were not Straight.

Trump is intelligent, but he is also counter establishment. This is what endeared him to so many people The ones that felt they were being left by the wayside and told their opinions are invalid.

Trump seen a very large niche of underrepresented voters, and ran with it.

The thing the left don't realize now, is all the targets to Trump now are only helping his reelection campaign.