Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)
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She didn’t stand a chance in any case. Too bad because out of all of them she was the one I preferred.
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I actually liked her. That's too bad.
Yeah, from those I’ve listened to who are more in the know, she was genuinely pretty good. But as @Remius correctly points out, she probably had no chance in the election. Her riding has split in two and both are polling very safe CPC.
you got that backwards. I can see the potential cathartic benefits of the Canadian government apologizing for taking 30 years to repair water treatment plants on the reserves but not for the failure of a government 100 years ago to provide proper sanitation facilities. As for the slavery thing, there isn't a nationality in the world that is innocent of that charge. It was a fact of life. Probably still would be if the British hadn't developed a conscience and set their navy out to do something about it. The worst offenders were probably the ancestor groups of the our current African Americans/Canadians.
As for moving forward, too often an apology is issued instead of moving forward.
Canada never had a slavery policy or ever had slavery. Which is why the gvt isn’t going to apologize for that. Yes slavery was a thing on the geographic area that would become Canada the country. It can certainly apologize and compensate for anything that still has impact on people’s lives though. Residential schools still existed well into the 1990s and there are plenty of survivors affected by that policy for example.
As for worst offenders? That can be debated and discussed but as you stated it goes beyond any one particular group. It is though a fascinating if not dark piece of human history.
I don’t think she could win the leadership, her riding and or the general election. It’s too bad because she is what that party needs to rebuild.
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Unlike others in the political space, though, smart enough to jump in clearly with a correction.
While many of the commentariat seem intrigued with Clark, a number also say we don't know if her French is good enough to make a national go of it yet. She's apparently taking lessons, but we'll see.
This keeps up, the party's going to be like the Marie Celeste.
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Complete bull. Upper and Lower Canadas and the Maritime colonies all had slaves in the rich families until it was abolished by the British Crown. Talk to all the Montreal activists who want to erase the names of McGill, McKay, Molson and Bronfman because they were slave owners.
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He's saying that the country Canada, established 1867 did not have slavery. The preceding colonies definitely had slavery but technically not Canada as an independent nation.
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My bad.
But in Quebec and Ontario, we consider the history of "Canada" to start with and include the both of us from the moment the French established the colony of Canada in North America.
But in Quebec and Ontario, we consider the history of "Canada" to start with and include the both of us from the moment the French established the colony of Canada in North America.
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Thats a shame. I think she would have done well for the LPC, as she demonstrated more statesmanship and political aptitude than any of the potential replacements.
Then again, she was cooked by design when she was shuffled off to Treasury from Defence.
The geopolitical national entity known as Canada didn’t exist at that time. And slavery was abolished in the colony long before it became that.
No one is denying the historicity of slavery in the colonies. But the nation we know today didn’t exist yet. The same cannot be said about other nations that can draw continuous national existence and continued policies and economies based on slavery well into an era where that was no longer considered acceptable.
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But you see, Remius, that's where we diverge. The technicality of "Canada" being only in existence since confederation in 1867 is not the accepted view in Quebec and Ontario: we were "Canada" as a continuous country from the moment we were a French colony in 1535 and all the iteration in between. "Canada" has been a concept ever since the French settlers stopped thinking of themselves as "French" from France and as inhabitants of the new world here, which happened long before even the English conquest.
That is why, for the longest time (until some time between WWI and WWII), the term "Canadian" referred more to the French Canadians only while the English speaking inhabitants thought of themselves more as British subjects than as Canadians. The very national anthem we have, O Canada, was first written in French by Basil Routhier and Calixta Lavalle as a French Canadian nationalistic anthem. Today, it would be wrtitten as a Quebec anthem only as this was the intent.
That is why, for the longest time (until some time between WWI and WWII), the term "Canadian" referred more to the French Canadians only while the English speaking inhabitants thought of themselves more as British subjects than as Canadians. The very national anthem we have, O Canada, was first written in French by Basil Routhier and Calixta Lavalle as a French Canadian nationalistic anthem. Today, it would be wrtitten as a Quebec anthem only as this was the intent.
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This will come as a surprise to most First Nations, given that many of them:
1) practiced slavery;
2) slaughtered those men who defied them;
3) took the women as their own; and
4) raised captive children as their own, even forcing their own religion and behavioral norms upon them.
Mind you, so did the Catholic church.
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Bang on, and good reminder, but (technically) outside of government mandate & control ....
... and other church organizations, under government mandate, for sure.
Mind you, I'm reading "Canada" there in the narrowest sense of "government of Canada".
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While they certainly considered themselves as separate from the French, they were still not an independant geopolitcal entity. Cultural and racial identity is not the same as a legal entity in that sense. Do you hold the current Iraqi government responsible for the sins of the Saddam Hussein regime? No. No more than we hold the Italians culpable for the legal liability one would place on the Romans. While the cultural lineage can certainly be traced, the legal imposition we place cannot.
“Canadien” to be precise. It didn’t matter how either viewed themselves prior to 1867. They were legally British subjects.
I am well aware. That is the anthem I sang growing up and can assure you that it took a while before I learned the English version.
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None of which was official policy or law in Canada.
I feel that some of you are missing the point that made and expressly stated that while it existed in the geographical location of what will become Canada it has never been a policy or law or acceptable in Canada the country. Colony, pre colony etc yes, it existed.
But again it goes to my point of reparations cannot be made or asked for from an entity that did not exist at the time.
