Yup, that’s likely correct. Particularly if CPC can’t repeat the majority.
Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)
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And it is likely the CPC will have to make very unpopular spending cuts. If they sell it well and grow the economy well enough, they might squeak a second majority, but PP should be looking for a new job around year 6 and passing the torch…
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Last night unread the wiki article on the new UK PM. That guy has deep socialist roots.
Agreed on all accounts. PP has a big important and brutally unpopular job to do.
And the CPC doesn't have an NDP to prop up a minority for them so it's always going to be majority or bust.
I think you are right - it sucks that the man we vote in to unf**k the country will probably end up being unpopular for doing just that
That being said, Canadians are now well aware that our government institutions & overall economy aren't doing well. Some are more aware than others of just how bad things are in some aspects, but I don't think there is a single person out there who wakes up and thinks "Man, things couldn't be better!"
While PP will have to make some serious cuts across the board, Canadians may end up being very understanding of just how necessary those cuts actually are.
He didn't get us in this mess, and the people know that.
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Remember Labour won not because they gained in popularity (only went up 2%, generally they did pretty poorly by a first past the post standard even) rather the Tories lost their support.
They just had to have slightly more votes in each area to get the result they did, the flaw of first past the post. This past election was from what I have read the most skewed vote percentage to final result in terms of popularity to seats in the UKs history which is saying something.
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Canadians want their cake and eat it too. They’ll (by virtue of their socialist NDP/LPC MPs) cry foul that they’re losing their handouts. Canadians think they are entitled to their entitlements.
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Yes, and that cuts across all political sides. A conservative retiree will complain just as loud if OAS is cut as a liberal retiree.
A “handout” assumes that the person hasn’t/doesn’t pay taxes or fees to pay for said services.
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And they even have their own national newspaper
Latest news, sport and opinion from the Guardian
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www.theguardian.com
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40% of Canadians don't pay federal income tax. You cut them off from free social services that the government provides based off the tax of the other 60%, the federal books look a lot better.
And then you end up creating a tiered society where only the well off get services?
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Well off? You mean the people who put more into the system than they take out?
The freeloaders need to be cut off. Enough is enough.
Define freeloaders. Is this a blanket definition or limited?
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Willfully unemployed. Salary shouldn't matter, as long as you're providing a service if you're physically able. Not wanting to work is not an excuse.
This also is related to adopting a two-tiered system of healthcare but that's an entirely different topic.
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And they even have their own national newspaper
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Which just proves that institutions, like people, can change their minds over time.
Ok. Thanks for clarifying that. I can to an extent agree with that.
But what happens in the case of a parent that opts to stay home to raise children? That is technically willful unemployment. Sorry if I am being nit picky about as it is a bit more complex when a deeper dive is done.
But I think I get your meaning.
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FWIW, some employment stats....
'Willfully unemployed' doesn't seem to be part of the data set
Of those who were unemployed in May, just over one-fifth (21.4%) had transitioned to employment in June (not seasonally adjusted). This was lower than the pre-pandemic average for the same months in 2017, 2018, and 2019 (26.7%). A lower proportion of unemployed people transitioning into employment may indicate that people are facing greater difficulties finding work in the current labour market.
As the unemployment rate has increased over the past year, so too has the proportion of long-term unemployed. Among the unemployed, 17.6% had been continuously unemployed for 27 weeks or more in June 2024, up 4.0 percentage points from a year earlier.
Older unemployed persons were more likely to be in long-term unemployment; 22.0% of unemployed people aged 55 and older had been continuously unemployed for 27 weeks or more in June. In comparison, the proportion was 19.3% for those in the core-aged group and 12.2% for youth.
www150.statcan.gc.ca
'Willfully unemployed' doesn't seem to be part of the data set
Unemployment rate rises to 6.4%
The overall unemployment rate rose 0.2 percentage points to 6.4% in June. It has trended up since April 2023, rising 1.3 percentage points over the period. There were 1.4 million unemployed people in June 2024, an increase of 42,000 (+3.1%) from the previous month.Of those who were unemployed in May, just over one-fifth (21.4%) had transitioned to employment in June (not seasonally adjusted). This was lower than the pre-pandemic average for the same months in 2017, 2018, and 2019 (26.7%). A lower proportion of unemployed people transitioning into employment may indicate that people are facing greater difficulties finding work in the current labour market.
As the unemployment rate has increased over the past year, so too has the proportion of long-term unemployed. Among the unemployed, 17.6% had been continuously unemployed for 27 weeks or more in June 2024, up 4.0 percentage points from a year earlier.
Older unemployed persons were more likely to be in long-term unemployment; 22.0% of unemployed people aged 55 and older had been continuously unemployed for 27 weeks or more in June. In comparison, the proportion was 19.3% for those in the core-aged group and 12.2% for youth.
The Daily — Labour Force Survey, June 2024
Employment was virtually unchanged in June (-1,400; -0.0%), and the employment rate fell 0.2 percentage points to 61.1%.
so we have allowed 1 million or more new residents into the country. Many of those are either illegal or on student visas. Are they part of the 1.4 million or are they in a separate category? If they are part of the same group, getting rid of the illegals seems like a great solutionFWIW, some employment stats....
'Willfully unemployed' doesn't seem to be part of the data set
Unemployment rate rises to 6.4%
The overall unemployment rate rose 0.2 percentage points to 6.4% in June. It has trended up since April 2023, rising 1.3 percentage points over the period. There were 1.4 million unemployed people in June 2024, an increase of 42,000 (+3.1%) from the previous month.
Of those who were unemployed in May, just over one-fifth (21.4%) had transitioned to employment in June (not seasonally adjusted). This was lower than the pre-pandemic average for the same months in 2017, 2018, and 2019 (26.7%). A lower proportion of unemployed people transitioning into employment may indicate that people are facing greater difficulties finding work in the current labour market.
As the unemployment rate has increased over the past year, so too has the proportion of long-term unemployed. Among the unemployed, 17.6% had been continuously unemployed for 27 weeks or more in June 2024, up 4.0 percentage points from a year earlier.
Older unemployed persons were more likely to be in long-term unemployment; 22.0% of unemployed people aged 55 and older had been continuously unemployed for 27 weeks or more in June. In comparison, the proportion was 19.3% for those in the core-aged group and 12.2% for youth.
The Daily — Labour Force Survey, June 2024
Employment was virtually unchanged in June (-1,400; -0.0%), and the employment rate fell 0.2 percentage points to 61.1%.
daftandbarmy
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I believe that most immigrants to this country are here for the jobs many other Canadians aren't interested in doing, so we probably owe them a debt of gratitude, as opposed to an eviction notice, if nothing else.
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Very few are "illegals". Many are making a Refugee claim, that in an actual democracy vice a demography, is a legally binding requirement for Canada
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Being an at-home spouse has never been employment or unemployment. If we're going to be precise, "unemployed" applies to people looking for work and not getting it. The closest anyone can come to willful unemployment is looking for work and finding ways to sabotage every opportunity.
