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Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

I was just talking about this today. When Canadians under 35 realize that there is no hope of home ownership, or being "middle class", civil unrest will occur.

The policies of the last 20 years have stripped the cupboards, and slaughtered the livestock.

There will be a reckoning, and nobody will enjoy it.
 
I was just talking about this today. When Canadians under 35 realize that there is no hope of home ownership, or being "middle class", civil unrest will occur.

The policies of the last 20 years have stripped the cupboards, and slaughtered the livestock.

There will be a reckoning, and nobody will enjoy it.
One can only hope there will not be a bloody uprising. But it would not surprise me if there was.....complete with show trials.
 
Desperatw people do desperate things. And there are far more desperate people living in Canada today than any other time on our history. The fact that the summary execution of Galen Weston is so casually talked about and memed within our society should be an indicator; we cannot keep going down this path unchecked.

Hell even within the CAF there are troops who have no prospects of enjoying the quality of life expected or advertised, and they're becoming disillusioned at an alarming rate (just look at Reddit). When you have folks essentially joining the chorus of "what's the point?" in the Armed Forces of a nation on the brink of revolt... I can see the "Aid to Civil Power" scenario backfiring into almost "African coup" territory.
 
I was just talking about this today. When Canadians under 35 realize that there is no hope of home ownership, or being "middle class", civil unrest will occur.

The policies of the last 20 years have stripped the cupboards, and slaughtered the livestock.

There will be a reckoning, and nobody will enjoy it.
Dude they are all vehemently aware, and if you think the attitude/climate is so bad that you believe there's a chance of violent uprising withing Canada then you spend way to much time on social media.
 
Desperatw people do desperate things. And there are far more desperate people living in Canada today than any other time on our history. The fact that the summary execution of Galen Weston is so casually talked about and memed within our society should be an indicator; we cannot keep going down this path unchecked.
There are far more people with access to each other than before. I would argue that in the Great Depression, there were a higher % of folks desperate/poor. But, they either assumed everyone was like them, or collectively shrugged and said “well I better do something about this situation”.

Peter Zeihan had a good line about the Gen Alphas and Gen Zs: Half of them are the “entitled” folks that people complain about. The other half are working hard and kicking goals.

Hell even within the CAF there are troops who have no prospects of enjoying the quality of life expected or advertised, and they're becoming disillusioned at an alarming rate (just look at Reddit). When you have folks essentially joining the chorus of "what's the point?" in the Armed Forces of a nation on the brink of revolt... I can see the "Aid to Civil Power" scenario backfiring into almost "African coup" territory.
If I could turn back time/tech/physics, I would want to do an experiment with the CAF of 1993 having 2024’s social media. I would suspect that many of the complaints would be the same, with some being worse - I remember joining in the early 2000s and the seniors calling the era before “the bad old days”.

I also duck into other allied nations’ social media for comparison and to be honest, the US, Australia, and UK (the ones I check regularly) all have somewhat the same outlook as ours, with similar complaints.
 
There are far more people with access to each other than before. I would argue that in the Great Depression, there were a higher % of folks desperate/poor. But, they either assumed everyone was like them, or collectively shrugged and said “well I better do something about this situation”.

Peter Zeihan had a good line about the Gen Alphas and Gen Zs: Half of them are the “entitled” folks that people complain about. The other half are working hard and kicking goals.


If I could turn back time/tech/physics, I would want to do an experiment with the CAF of 1993 having 2024’s social media. I would suspect that many of the complaints would be the same, with some being worse - I remember joining in the early 2000s and the seniors calling the era before “the bad old days”.

I also duck into other allied nations’ social media for comparison and to be honest, the US, Australia, and UK (the ones I check regularly) all have somewhat the same outlook as ours, with similar complaints.

The article that HT reposted touches on the “paranoid populism” aspect. I can understand why some of it might have been redacted. I would suggest people read a bit about that and the paranoid approach in politics. I’ll leave it at that. I’ll likely trigger a few people here if I expand and I’ll let them do their own research.

But yeah, you are not wrong about social media amplifying things.
 
Dude they are all vehemently aware, and if you think the attitude/climate is so bad that you believe there's a chance of violent uprising withing Canada then you spend way to much time on social media.
Again, you fail to read the room. That is the majority of Canada. That fairly peaceful trucker protest will be a big nothing burger compared to the what desperate people will do next.
 
There are far more people with access to each other than before. I would argue that in the Great Depression, there were a higher % of folks desperate/poor. But, they either assumed everyone was like them, or collectively shrugged and said “well I better do something about this situation”.

Peter Zeihan had a good line about the Gen Alphas and Gen Zs: Half of them are the “entitled” folks that people complain about. The other half are working hard and kicking goals.


If I could turn back time/tech/physics, I would want to do an experiment with the CAF of 1993 having 2024’s social media. I would suspect that many of the complaints would be the same, with some being worse - I remember joining in the early 2000s and the seniors calling the era before “the bad old days”.

I also duck into other allied nations’ social media for comparison and to be honest, the US, Australia, and UK (the ones I check regularly) all have somewhat the same outlook as ours, with similar complaints.

Soldiers moaning is not a new phenomenon.

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WRT the report - there is a world of difference between possibilities and probabilities. While I believe it is important to be aware of possibilities and plan accordingly I think that a lot of the scenarios referenced are pretty low probability events.
 
There are far more people with access to each other than before. I would argue that in the Great Depression, there were a higher % of folks desperate/poor. But, they either assumed everyone was like them, or collectively shrugged and said “well I better do something about this situation”.

Peter Zeihan had a good line about the Gen Alphas and Gen Zs: Half of them are the “entitled” folks that people complain about. The other half are working hard and kicking goals.


If I could turn back time/tech/physics, I would want to do an experiment with the CAF of 1993 having 2024’s social media. I would suspect that many of the complaints would be the same, with some being worse - I remember joining in the early 2000s and the seniors calling the era before “the bad old days”.

I also duck into other allied nations’ social media for comparison and to be honest, the US, Australia, and UK (the ones I check regularly) all have somewhat the same outlook as ours, with similar complaints.
1995 would have been the year of great complaining and moaning by the troops. The Airborne disbanded, 2VP and 1RCHA UNPROFOR tours cancelled, the reality of the cost savings measures of the very early 90s would have set it.

I remember in 2VP a rash of releases and early retirements around 95-96 (Many were shocked when the late Joe Walsh pulled the plug in 1995). @OldSolduer remembers this time
 
Again, you fail to read the room. That is the majority of Canada. That fairly peaceful trucker protest will be a big nothing burger compared to the what desperate people will do next.
No, reading the room is why you have this unjustifiably pessimistic view about the fragility of our country right now. The room you are reading is a bunch of echo Chambers that make it look like the entire country is a penny away from being destitute. Things are tough, and people are certainly being vocal about it, but for the vast majority are so far from what you are proposing.
 
No, reading the room is why you have this unjustifiably pessimistic view about the fragility of our country right now. The room you are reading is a bunch of echo Chambers that make it look like the entire country is a penny away from being destitute. Things are tough, and people are certainly being vocal about it, but for the vast majority are so far from what you are proposing.

Survey says....

Percent of Canadians satisfied or very satisfied with their life 2003-2022​

Published by
John Elflein,
Feb 15, 2024

This statistic displays the estimated percentage of Canadians aged 12 years and over who were satisfied or very satisfied with their life from 2003 to 2022. In 2022, around 87.2 percent of Canadians stated being very satisfied or satisfied with their life in general.



And another one...

 
Survey says....

Percent of Canadians satisfied or very satisfied with their life 2003-2022​

Published by
John Elflein,
Feb 15, 2024

This statistic displays the estimated percentage of Canadians aged 12 years and over who were satisfied or very satisfied with their life from 2003 to 2022. In 2022, around 87.2 percent of Canadians stated being very satisfied or satisfied with their life in general.



And another one...


Was it coincidental that these were the attached trends?

OTHER STATISTICS ON THE TOPIC​

Number of licensed breweries in Canada as of December 2022, by region+
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
Number of breweries in Canada by region 2022

Total beer sales in Canada from 2009 to 2022 (in million hectoliters)+
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
Beer sales in Canada 2009-2022

Sales volume of beer per capita in Canada in 2021/22, by province (in liters)+
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
Canadian per capita sales volume of beer by province 2021/22

Sales value of beer in Alberta from 2008/09 to 2021/22 (in million Canadian dollars)
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
Sales value of beer in Alberta 2009-2022
https://www.statista.com/statistics/346197/sales-of-the-alberta-beer-market/
More Beer! :D
 
Dude they are all vehemently aware, and if you think the attitude/climate is so bad that you believe there's a chance of violent uprising withing Canada then you spend way to much time on social media.
Dude, there are multiple levels of "aware"... Being academically "aware" of something is not the same as the visceral "aware" that happens when it actually hits home for you.

E.g. By the age of 6 most kids are "aware" of death, but you're not really "aware" of it until someone close does.

Being 19 and aware that home ownership is out of reach is academic. Being 35-40 and realizing you'll never own a home, and can't afford to have a family is a very different beast.

Also, I'm not saying there will be an uprising, I am saying there will be a reckoning. That may take the shape of government policies that punish home owners, and those seen as "too rich". Civil unrest can be peaceful protest, like bouncy castles and hot tubs.

Edit: I love the smugness that assumes  you have the real read of the country, and everybody who disagrees is basing it on social media echo chambers. Have you considered that some of us actually touch grass and regularly talk to people who aren't upper middle class, retired government employees?
 
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Note that the RCMP document referenced below was available on Scribbed until about 15 minutes ago. (This isn’t going help Mr Trudeau on the old popularity score). Edit: the document is posted again.




Secret RCMP report warns Canadians may revolt once they realize how broke they are


Right from the get-go, the report authors warn that whatever Canada’s current situation, it 'will probably deteriorate further in the next five years'.

Secret RCMP report warns Canadians may revolt once they realize how broke they are

Protest
Police move in to clear downtown Ottawa near Parliament hill of protesters after weeks of demonstrations on Feb. 19, 2022. PHOTO BY COLE BURSTON /The Canadian Press

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A secret RCMP report is warning the federal government that Canada may descend into civil unrest once citizens realize the hopelessness of their economic situation.


“The coming period of recession will … accelerate the decline in living standards that the younger generations have already witnessed compared to earlier generations,” reads the report, entitled Whole-of-Government Five-Year Trends for Canada.

“For example, many Canadians under 35 are unlikely ever to be able to buy a place to live,” it adds.

The report, labelled secret, is intended as a piece of “special operational information” to be distributed only within the RCMP and among “decision-makers” in the federal government.


A heavily redacted version was made public as a result of an access to information request filed by Matt Malone, an assistant professor of law at British Columbia’s Thompson Rivers University, and an expert in government secrecy.

Describing itself in an introduction as a “scanning exercise,” the report is intended to highlight trends in both Canada and abroad “that could have a significant effect on the Canadian government and the RCMP.”

Right from the get-go, the report authors warn that whatever Canada’s current situation, it “will probably deteriorate further in the next five years.”

In addition to worsening living standards, the RCMP also warns of a future increasingly defined by unpredictable weather and seasonal catastrophes, such as wildfires and flooding. Most notably, report authors warn of Canada facing “increasing pressure to cede Arctic territory.”

Another major theme of the report is that Canadians are set to become increasingly disillusioned with their government, which authors mostly chalk up to “misinformation,” “conspiracy theories” and “paranoia.”

“Law enforcement should expect continuing social and political polarization fueled by misinformation campaigns and an increasing mistrust for all democratic institutions,” reads one of the report’s “overarching considerations.”

Ironically, among the report’s more heavily redacted sections is one carrying the subtitle “erosion of trust.” “The past seven years have seen marked social and political polarization in the Western world” reads a partial first sentence, with the entire rest of the section deleted by government censors.

The censor’s pen also deleted most of a section warning about “paranoid populism.” “Capitalizing on the rise of political polarization and conspiracy theories have been populists willing to tailor their messages to appeal to extremist movements,” reads the section’s one non-redacted sentence.

In terms of declining living standards and inaccessible home ownership, the RCMP’s warnings are indeed in line with available statistics.

Canadian productivity — measured in terms of GDP per capita — has been trending downwards since at least the 1980s. But this has accelerated dramatically in recent years — even as per-worker productivity rises in many of our peer countries.

An analysis last year by University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe found that if Canada had merely kept pace with U.S. productivity growth for the last five years, Canadian per-capita earnings would be $5,500 higher than they are now.

Meanwhile, housing affordability has reached “worst-ever” levels in most of Canada’s major markets, according to a December analysis by RBC. On average, even condos are now so unaffordable that only 44.5 per cent of Canadian households had sufficient income to buy one at current prices. As for single-family homes, only the richest 25 per cent of Canadian households had any hope of obtaining one.

“Economic forecasts for the next five years and beyond are bleak,” reads the RCMP’s assessment of the rest of the decade, even adding a quote from French President Emmanuel Macron that “the end of abundance” is nigh

Ah the irony. The report forecasts a terribly bleak future for Canadians then goes on to say the disillusionment with the government is due to misinformation and paranoia. Right, no wonder we're f**Ked.
 
Ah the irony. The report forecasts a terribly bleak future for Canadians then goes on to say the disillusionment with the government is due to misinformation and paranoia. Right, no wonder we're f**Ked.
The implication being that Canadians are too stupid to understand just how good they have it.
 
Being 19 and aware that home ownership is out of reach is academic. Being 35-40 and realizing you'll never own a home, and can't afford to have a family is a very different beast.

Also, I'm not saying there will be an uprising, I am saying there will be a reckoning. That may take the shape of government policies that punish home owners, and those seen as "too rich". Civil unrest can be peaceful protest, like bouncy castles and hot tubs.
Decades from being politically viable. The bolded are outnumbered even within their own age cohort by home owners.
 
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