The War in Ukraine
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Memes just sort of print themselves at this point.UKR says it's just setting up a "buffer zone" to protect itself - gold, Ukraine - GOLD!
In other news, remember this caper?
Ukraine updates: Kyiv to create 'buffer zone' in Kursk – DW – 08/14/2024
Ukraine's top officials have been discussing logistics in the area of Russia's Kursk region that its troops now control. Meanwhile, Russia's Belgorod border region declared an emergency.www.dw.com
Germany's issued an arrest warrant for a Ukrainian-national diver
Nord Stream pipelines sabotage - Wikipedia
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Nord Stream sabotage: Germany issues arrest warrant – DW – 08/14/2024
A Ukrainian national, whose last known address was in Poland, is being sought by German authorities for the 2022 attacks on the Nord Stream gas pipelines. He is believed to have acted with two accomplices.
Germany seeks arrest for Nord Stream blasts, reports claim
Prosecutors have declined to comment on the investigation, which concerns explosions that damaged the pipelines built to bring Russian gas to Germany. #EuropeNewswww.euronews.com
Germany issues arrest warrant for Ukrainian suspect over Nord Stream sabotage
In the two years since mysterious explosions hit the Nord Stream gas pipelines, both Ukraine and Russia have denied any involvement in the attacks. German authorities on Wednesday issued an arrest warrant…www.france24.com
MilEME09
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Only NATO is possibly capable of invading Russia after all
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I sorta thunk that, too
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Russia delusional thinking at its finest…Only NATO is possibly capable of invading Russia after all
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Kremlin: they spelled "collaborating with the Nazis" wrong
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So, any bets on upcoming RUS fire missions on their (not quite held) home turf? (RUS independent media)
Unlike USSR 2.0's alleged evacuation plans for Kursk
Russia plans to evacuate civilians from Kursk and Belgorod oblasts to occupied part of Zaporizhzhia Oblast - Euromaidan Press (UKR media)
Russia plans to evacuate civilians from Kursk and Belgorod oblasts to occupied part of Zaporizhzhia Oblast - Euromaidan Press (UKR media)
MilEME09
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I mean we already have video of a mi28 shooting up a Russian convoy in a FF incidentSo, any bets on upcoming RUS fire missions on their (not quite held) home turf? (RUS independent media)
Unlike USSR 2.0's alleged evacuation plans for Kursk
Russia plans to evacuate civilians from Kursk and Belgorod oblasts to occupied part of Zaporizhzhia Oblast - Euromaidan Press (UKR media)
Colin Parkinson
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LOL Trolling at it's finest
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Well someone is sarcastic today.
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2.5yrs into this war and the Ukrainians still haven't been able to find the magic key to unlock the 'mass surrender' lock that lies buried in all Russians. The Germans were able to find it in WW1 and WW2 (first half), the Ukrainians need to somehow find it and use it.
A not entirely serious response...but if the question involves Russia, the answer often involves vodka.
In WW1, the Tsar banned vodka in 1914, at tremendous cost to morale and to the Russian state coffers. Did Vodka Cause the Russian Revolution?
In WW2, the Soviets were able to ensure a regular supply of vodka by mid-war, but in 1941 and 1942 the flow of vodka was badly disrupted by distilleries being overrun or destroyed. Here is one such example: History
So when the Ukrainian drones start blowing up the Smirnov and Tatspirtprom distilleries, you will know the jig is up.
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The Economist shares its views on the Ukrainian offensive in Kursk:
Morally and legally, Ukraine has every right to take the fight into Russia. Every state is entitled to defend itself, and that right does not stop at the border. Russia is waging an unprovoked war of conquest in Ukraine, and has conducted thousands of attacks on Ukraine’s Sumy region from over the frontier in Kursk. The troops, kit and bases that enable those attacks are legitimate targets.
Ukraine’s Kursk offensive has already achieved some successes. Its forces have cut through the region, occupying scores of settlements and taking hundreds of prisoners. That has had three immediate effects. One is to boost morale at home, which needed a jolt: Ukraine’s army is on the back foot in the Donbas region and its counter-offensive last year fizzled out. The second is to show international partners that Ukraine can regain the initiative. Encouragingly, America and Germany, among others, have indicated that they are comfortable with their weapons being used on Russian soil.
The third is to expose Russia’s vulnerabilities. Vladimir Putin will use the incursion to reinforce his big lie that Russia is waging a defensive war against the West. But it also adds to the evidence that Mr Putin’s carefully constructed image of strength and control is hollow. He thought he could conquer Ukraine in a few days in 2022, but two years later he still hasn’t. When his former chef led a mutinous march much of the way to Moscow last year, Russian troops stood aside. When Ukraine invaded Kursk, local civilians did not resist.
For all that, Ukraine’s gambit also carries grave risks. Ukraine surely hopes that its Kursk offensive will draw Russian forces away from Donbas, easing the pressure on Ukraine’s beleaguered troops there. But there is little sign that Russia has pulled many troops off the frontline. And this cuts both ways: Ukraine has also diverted many of its best forces away from Donbas and into Kursk. Indeed, Russia has continued to advance in eastern Ukraine since August 6th; it is now less than 13km from Pokrovsk, an important crossroads.
Ukraine should try to reap the political rewards of its success in Kursk without becoming overextended. Its supply lines will soon be stretched thin. Russia is beginning to counter-attack. If Ukraine suffers heavy losses of men and equipment in the weeks ahead, this could accelerate its setbacks in Donbas while also reversing the sense of momentum built up in the past week. An ambitious occupation would be a mistake, though holding onto some defensible territory in Kursk as a bargaining chip for future talks might be sensible.
Kursk also holds a broader lesson for Ukraine’s partners. A good defence sometimes requires offence. America, Britain and France continue to bar Ukraine from using their long-range missiles on Russian soil. Some restrictions are fine: Western missiles should not be used against Russian nuclear sites, for instance. But the risk of escalation should not be exaggerated. It is perverse that Ukraine is not allowed to strike Russian air bases from which jets deliver glide bombs to devastate Ukrainian cities and kill its soldiers. Russian forces that blatantly and criminally violate Ukraine’s borders should expect no shelter behind their own. ■
I think the above is pretty fair appreciation off the situation.
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The rights, wrongs and risks of Ukraine’s Kursk incursion
Ukrainian forces should be careful not to overreach
For the first time since the second world war, Russia has been invaded. On the previous occasion the Red Army’s Ukrainian troops helped beat back the Nazi assault in Russia’s Kursk province. Now it is Ukrainians who are advancingover the same ground. Ukraine’s surprise attack, which began on August 6th, is bold and daring, and could change the narrative of the war. It is also a gamble which could go badly wrong.Morally and legally, Ukraine has every right to take the fight into Russia. Every state is entitled to defend itself, and that right does not stop at the border. Russia is waging an unprovoked war of conquest in Ukraine, and has conducted thousands of attacks on Ukraine’s Sumy region from over the frontier in Kursk. The troops, kit and bases that enable those attacks are legitimate targets.
Ukraine’s Kursk offensive has already achieved some successes. Its forces have cut through the region, occupying scores of settlements and taking hundreds of prisoners. That has had three immediate effects. One is to boost morale at home, which needed a jolt: Ukraine’s army is on the back foot in the Donbas region and its counter-offensive last year fizzled out. The second is to show international partners that Ukraine can regain the initiative. Encouragingly, America and Germany, among others, have indicated that they are comfortable with their weapons being used on Russian soil.
The third is to expose Russia’s vulnerabilities. Vladimir Putin will use the incursion to reinforce his big lie that Russia is waging a defensive war against the West. But it also adds to the evidence that Mr Putin’s carefully constructed image of strength and control is hollow. He thought he could conquer Ukraine in a few days in 2022, but two years later he still hasn’t. When his former chef led a mutinous march much of the way to Moscow last year, Russian troops stood aside. When Ukraine invaded Kursk, local civilians did not resist.
For all that, Ukraine’s gambit also carries grave risks. Ukraine surely hopes that its Kursk offensive will draw Russian forces away from Donbas, easing the pressure on Ukraine’s beleaguered troops there. But there is little sign that Russia has pulled many troops off the frontline. And this cuts both ways: Ukraine has also diverted many of its best forces away from Donbas and into Kursk. Indeed, Russia has continued to advance in eastern Ukraine since August 6th; it is now less than 13km from Pokrovsk, an important crossroads.
Ukraine should try to reap the political rewards of its success in Kursk without becoming overextended. Its supply lines will soon be stretched thin. Russia is beginning to counter-attack. If Ukraine suffers heavy losses of men and equipment in the weeks ahead, this could accelerate its setbacks in Donbas while also reversing the sense of momentum built up in the past week. An ambitious occupation would be a mistake, though holding onto some defensible territory in Kursk as a bargaining chip for future talks might be sensible.
Kursk also holds a broader lesson for Ukraine’s partners. A good defence sometimes requires offence. America, Britain and France continue to bar Ukraine from using their long-range missiles on Russian soil. Some restrictions are fine: Western missiles should not be used against Russian nuclear sites, for instance. But the risk of escalation should not be exaggerated. It is perverse that Ukraine is not allowed to strike Russian air bases from which jets deliver glide bombs to devastate Ukrainian cities and kill its soldiers. Russian forces that blatantly and criminally violate Ukraine’s borders should expect no shelter behind their own. ■
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I think the above is pretty fair appreciation off the situation.
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Eter the samuri.
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