daftandbarmy
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The War in Ukraine
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Why would’t Trump try to shakedown Zelensky again? He already did it once. He’s just staying true to form. Like I keep saying, robber baron.
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But obviously Trump’s going to try to extort Ukraine for support. It would be uncharacteristic of him not to.
armrdsoul77
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Helijet donating one of their Air Ambulance S76 helicopters to Ukraine. Maybe they will donate the rest as they are no longer under contract with BCEHS.
Helijet Donates Medically Equipped Helicopter To Ukraine - Helijet.com
Helijet Donates Medically Equipped Helicopter To Ukraine - Helijet.com
daftandbarmy
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Makes sense... doubt it will work...
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is proposing an exchange of seized territory with Russia as part of any potential negotiations to end the war.
Ukraine holds control of a small pocket of Russian territory, parts of Kursk Oblast, captured during a surprise incursion in August.
Zelensky, in an interview with The Guardian, said he planned to offer Russia control of Kursk in exchange for Ukrainian territory under Russian occupation.
“We will swap one territory for another,” Zelensky said.
Zelensky did not say which territory Kyiv would request be returned to Ukraine in an exchange for Kursk, nor did he address negotiations over the status of other land occupied by Russia.
“I don’t know, we will see. But all our territories are important, there is no priority,” he said.
Zelensky proposes swap of seized territory with Russia
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is proposing an exchange of seized territory with Russia as part of any potential negotiations to end the war.
Ukraine holds control of a small pocket of Russian territory, parts of Kursk Oblast, captured during a surprise incursion in August.
Zelensky, in an interview with The Guardian, said he planned to offer Russia control of Kursk in exchange for Ukrainian territory under Russian occupation.
“We will swap one territory for another,” Zelensky said.
Zelensky did not say which territory Kyiv would request be returned to Ukraine in an exchange for Kursk, nor did he address negotiations over the status of other land occupied by Russia.
“I don’t know, we will see. But all our territories are important, there is no priority,” he said.
MilEME09
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Zaporizhzhia would make the most sense, but would be a hard pill to swallow for russia
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Sara Palin's front door - 3.7 km from Russia
Czech_pivo
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So you’re saying there’s a chance?
daftandbarmy
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Misattributed, sadly
Did Sarah Palin Say: 'I Can See Russia from My House'?
2008 GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin did not say 'I can see Russia from my house.' That line originated with an SNL spoof.
Did Sarah Palin Say: 'I Can See Russia from My House'?
Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin did not say 'I can see Russia from my house.' That line originated with an SNL spoof.
www.snopes.com
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Hashtag Fake News....
Hashtag Legacy Media....
Hashtag....etc...
Hashtag Legacy Media....
Hashtag....etc...
Skysix
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And don't forget Putin has already said the sale of Alaska was wrong/is invalid and that Russia will take back all of it's 'traditional' lands". Close enough to operate drones over Alaska, or launch glide bombs, all without entering the ADIZ or American ('Russian far eastern') airspace.
MilEME09
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Russia also withdrew the 90s law recognizing the independence of the baltic's as well, which is exactly where he will try and test NATO, that or he will take over all ukraine then roll in to Hungary, and Orban would let him, essentially making Article 5 useless.
OldSolduer
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Can we not just drop a bomb on Vlad?
Oh that might cause Russia to retaliate in kind…dropping a bomb on…..
Hey wait a minute…..
Oh that might cause Russia to retaliate in kind…dropping a bomb on…..
Hey wait a minute…..
Halifax Tar
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Im not sure Russia is going to be engaging anywhere else for a while.
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Article 5 is not the panacea you think it is - it is actually pretty weak (as I have pointed out before) as it relies on each country deciding what it feels is an appropriate contribution to the NATO response. Anything from thoughts and prayers plus sanctions to saturating the enemy airspace with bombers and cruise missiles while conducting an army level combined arms beach/assault.
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Love him or hate him, he's the dealmaker, so I suspect it's hard wired - especially dealing with parties he feels he has over a barrel.
Meanwhile, word of some movement via Truth Social here and here (highlights mine) ....
Interesting difference in tone between the two updates. We'll see how things unfold now
Late edit, adding some MSM and US state media* updates:
Trump vows to 'immediately' negotiate for end to Ukraine war
US president vows to begin immediate negotiations with Putin, Zelenskyy
www.voanews.com
Trump Says He And Putin Agreed To 'Start Negotiations Immediately' On Ending War In Ukraine
U.S. President Donald Trump says he had a "lengthy and highly productive" phone call with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin.
www.rferl.org
Trump says Putin agrees to start negotiations to end war in Ukraine
The two leaders speak in a phone call and agree to start negotiations "immediately" over the war in Ukraine.
www.bbc.com
Trump talks with Ukraine President Zelenksyy following Putin call
President Trump spoke by phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy Wednesday, the White House said, after talking earlier to Russian President Vladimir Putin about ending their long-running war.
www.washingtontimes.com
Donald Trump call with Vladimir Putin confirms Ukraine not in driving seat
The BBC's Frank Gardner says improved relations between DC and Moscow may spell trouble for Kyiv.
www.bbc.com
Trump says Russia agrees to 'immediately' begin negotiations to end war in Ukraine
President Donald Trump announced he had a "lengthy" call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that their respective teams will begin negotiations over the war in Ukraine.
www.foxnews.com
* - No, not being partisan here. Voice of America is "VOA is part of the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), the government agency that oversees all non-military, U.S. international broadcasting. It is funded by the U.S. Congress," including the editorials "Reflecting the Views of the U.S. Government"
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hell of a negotiation strategy
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Lucky he's not one of the negotiators, right?
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no just a completely unimportant person who's opinion is of no value. Honestly its not a good look. Having said that batter up European NATO and to a lessor extent CanadaLucky he's not one of the negotiators, right?
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More so with the other guardrails he's talking about (and none of these are entirely new):
Hegseth rules out Ukraine NATO membership as part of any ceasefire with Russia
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth says the U.S. will no longer be the "primary guarantor of security in Europe," which he said must step up to secure Ukraine.
www.cbsnews.com
US forces will not join Ukraine peacekeeping mission: Hegseth
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth told the Ukraine Defense Contact Group that U.S. forces will not join future peacekeeping missions in Ukraine.
san.com
US no longer ‘primarily focused’ on Europe’s security, says Pete Hegseth
US defence secretary says Europe should lead in defending Ukraine and that restoring pre-2014 borders is unrealistic
www.theguardian.com
Czech_pivo
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Unreal in my opinion.Love him or hate him, he's the dealmaker, so I suspect it's hard wired - especially dealing with parties he feels he has over a barrel.
Meanwhile, word of some movement via Truth Social here and here (highlights mine) ....
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Interesting difference in tone between the two updates. We'll see how things unfold now
Late edit, adding some MSM and US state media* updates:
Trump vows to 'immediately' negotiate for end to Ukraine war
US president vows to begin immediate negotiations with Putin, ZelenskyyTrump Says He And Putin Agreed To 'Start Negotiations Immediately' On Ending War In Ukraine
U.S. President Donald Trump says he had a "lengthy and highly productive" phone call with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin.Trump says Putin agrees to start negotiations to end war in Ukraine
The two leaders speak in a phone call and agree to start negotiations "immediately" over the war in Ukraine.Trump talks with Ukraine President Zelenksyy following Putin call
President Trump spoke by phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy Wednesday, the White House said, after talking earlier to Russian President Vladimir Putin about ending their long-running war.Donald Trump call with Vladimir Putin confirms Ukraine not in driving seat
The BBC's Frank Gardner says improved relations between DC and Moscow may spell trouble for Kyiv.Trump says Russia agrees to 'immediately' begin negotiations to end war in Ukraine
President Donald Trump announced he had a "lengthy" call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that their respective teams will begin negotiations over the war in Ukraine.
* - No, not being partisan here. Voice of America is "VOA is part of the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), the government agency that oversees all non-military, U.S. international broadcasting. It is funded by the U.S. Congress," including the editorials "Reflecting the Views of the U.S. Government"
Trump is of the belief that all of Europe, and the rest of the world, will just fall in line and re-start relations with Russia after this. What if Europe just says, 'fuck u', we are going to continue with our sanctions against Russia, Trump you want to deal with him, fine go ahead.
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