The US Presidency 2019

[mariomike]

He has shown himself to not be reliable, to not be credible, and to be compulsively dishonest.

For reference to the discussion,

FactCheck.org

September 26, 2019

Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine
President Donald Trump once again twisted the facts to claim that Joe Biden, as vice president, threatened to withhold “billions of dollars to Ukraine” unless it removed the prosecutor general who “was prosecuting” Biden’s son, Hunter.


But there was no evidence at the time that Hunter Biden was under investigation, and there still isn’t.

Read entire article
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/

 

[brihard]

For reference to the discussion,

Shhhh. Red is a perfectly natural colour for a herring.

 

[The Bread Guy]

a la Joe Biden, while VP, threatening to withhold funds unless the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating le fiston Biden was fired?

Here's what USA government-funded media has to say about why the UKR prosecutor in question was fired. 

Hint:  it was more because he WASN'T investigating enough bad stuff.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Here's what USA government-funded media has to say about why the UKR prosecutor in question was fired. 

Hint:  it was more because he WASN'T investigating enough bad stuff.

I'm not worried. If the liberals continue down their phony impeachment path, Biden et al and all their files will have to come out. After all, the MSM was so correct about Mueller, right? After watching the last multi million dollar fake investigation into Russian collusion and the MSM's reporting of it, I find it humourous that people still have such blind faith in the media. Whoever it is.

As to USA Government funded media, supposedly being unbiased (if that's what your implying), if the deep state controls the FBI and others, a news agency can be run by a junior political hack. The fact that they are government funded is very far from the possibility that they are honest and right.

 

[Brad Sallows]

"For leaders and diplomats everywhere, the drama is a reminder, yet again, of the heightened risk in the digital age that what they assume to be private communications will end up becoming public."

The "digital age" isn't the problem.  The heightened risk is that Team A will use whatever it can - in this case, the content of privileged communications - to fight back against charges leveled by Team B - in this case, allegations which can only be refuted by that content, if at all.  The problem is partisanship.

 

[mariomike]

Saw this in Canadian Politics,

, at least Mueller & Co. were allowed to finish

Also saw this about him trying to get special counsel fired,
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=641&sxsrf=ACYBGNRjL55sHO93IbFAoXKCS045sRbKKA%3A1570117305519&ei=uRaWXfGdH-Sqgged5J_gBA&q=trump+%22tried+to+get+special+counsel+fired+%22&oq=trump+%22tried+to+get+special+counsel+fired+%22&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0..3305...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.6l2jpm3o-Og&ved=0ahUKEwix3oDitoDlAhVkleAKHR3yB0w4ChDh1QMICg#spf=1570117312658

 

[kkwd]

Saw this in Canadian Politics,

Also saw this about him trying to get special counsel fired,
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=641&sxsrf=ACYBGNRjL55sHO93IbFAoXKCS045sRbKKA%3A1570117305519&ei=uRaWXfGdH-Sqgged5J_gBA&q=trump+%22tried+to+get+special+counsel+fired+%22&oq=trump+%22tried+to+get+special+counsel+fired+%22&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0..3305...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.6l2jpm3o-Og&ved=0ahUKEwix3oDitoDlAhVkleAKHR3yB0w4ChDh1QMICg#spf=1570117312658

Don't worry, once Trump is impeached, found guilty and turfed everything will be OK. Once President Pence takes over and Vice President Pelosi takes office everybody will be happy.  ;D

 

[Remius]

Don't worry, once Trump is impeached, found guilty and turfed everything will be OK. Once President Pence takes over and Vice President Pelosi takes office everybody will be happy.  ;D

I thought it was Trump gets impeached, steps down, Pence takes over.

Pence pardons Trump and makes him Vice president.

Pence steps down and Trump becomes president again who then names Pence as VP.

Or something like that.

 

[mariomike]

, once Trump is impeached, found guilty and turfed everything will be OK.

How do you figure that? The Republicans control the Senate.

 

[kkwd]

How do you figure that? The Republicans control the Senate.

Are you saying this entire impeachment show is political? On another note, if the "impeachment inquiry" were not happening CNN would be out of business. Live Updates? Sounds very good for business.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-10-03-2019/index.html

Live Updates
The latest on the Trump impeachment inquiry

 

[Remius]

Are you saying this entire impeachment show is political? On another note, if the "impeachment inquiry" were not happening CNN would be out of business. Live Updates? Sounds very good for business.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-10-03-2019/index.html

He's saying the republicans will never vote for it in the Senate.  Congress will but it won't go further as the Rep will not.  Impeachment is a political process so, yes it is political.

 

[mariomike]

He's saying the republicans will never vote for it in the Senate. 

BINGO

 

[kkwd]

He's saying the republicans will never vote for it in the Senate.  Congress will but it won't go further as the Rep will not.  Impeachment is a political process so, yes it is political.

Nobody has seen charges or evidence to back it up yet. There are some concerns that republicans are not getting a fair shake in the impeachment inquiry process. They were limited in questioning of Kurt Volker today.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mccarthy-criticizes-pelosis-recklessness-asks-house-speaker-to-halt-impeachment-inquiry

McCarthy’s reference to limiting Republican participation is a reference to reports that House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., was limiting Republicans' ability to ask questions during Thursday’s testimony by former U.S. envoy for Ukraine Kurt Volker.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/464224-mccarthy-calls-on-pelosi-to-suspend-impeachment-inquiry

”If those words are taken to be sincere, the American people deserve assurance that basic standards of due process will be present,” he said.

“Given the enormity of the question at hand – the removal of a duly-elected sitting president – anything less than a thorough, transparent, and fair process would represent a supreme insult to our Constitution and the millions of Americans who rely on their voices being heard through our democratic system of government.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mccarthy-calls-pelosi-suspend-impeachment-inquiry-n1061981

 

[kkwd]

BINGO

Have you seen the charges written out and the supporting evidence?

 

[QV]

Saw this in Canadian Politics,

Also saw this about him trying to get special counsel fired,
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=641&sxsrf=ACYBGNRjL55sHO93IbFAoXKCS045sRbKKA%3A1570117305519&ei=uRaWXfGdH-Sqgged5J_gBA&q=trump+%22tried+to+get+special+counsel+fired+%22&oq=trump+%22tried+to+get+special+counsel+fired+%22&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0..3305...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.6l2jpm3o-Og&ved=0ahUKEwix3oDitoDlAhVkleAKHR3yB0w4ChDh1QMICg#spf=1570117312658

Fake news

 

[mariomike]

Fake news

The Fake News is working overtime. Just reported that, despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy & all things else, 91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake). Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt? Take away credentials?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/994179864436596736

Negative news is fake news. Fake news is negative news.

 

[Brad Sallows]

"at least Mueller & Co. were allowed to finish" is a factual statement; I'm 100% certain the investigation concluded and the report was delivered to the AG.  Whatever Trump might have wished otherwise, he either didn't really mean to pursue or his staff clearly managed to block.  Meanwhile in the Canadian PMO, staff and the Liberal politicians are along for the ride to try and squeeze out a special fix for SNC-Lavalin and block investigations.  If for a second you can ignore Trump's clownish and boorish behaviour so that it doesn't sway your perception, the contrast is profound.

The "impeachment" is wholly a political show; think of it as the centre ring in the ongoing circus of efforts to overturn the 2016 election and hamstring the administration.  Pretty much every time the Democrats are invited to take concrete steps following customary impeachment procedures, they put off doing anything that might degrade their political power and opportunities.  They want to talk about impeachment and anything else which comes along for political advantage; they don't want to risk pissing off voters by following through.

 

[FJAG]

... despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy  ...

The Dow has lost more than 700 points since Tuesday. But that's not the full story
Anneken Tappe
By Anneken Tappe, CNN Business
Updated 4:27 PM ET, Thu October 3, 2019

New York (CNN Business)The Dow and the broader stock market had another volatile day Thursday, as traders came to grips with another damaging economic report and rising odds of a Federal Reserve interest cut this month.

But after two days of decline, the Dow (INDU) closed up more than 120 points, or 0.5%, higher. Since Tuesday, the index has fallen more than 700 points.

The S&P 500 (SPX) climbed 0.8%, and the Nasdaq Composite (COMP) finished up 1.1%.

Stocks have tumbled over the past days, on worse-than-expected economic data and worries that the US manufacturing sector's problems could be spilling over to other parts of the American economy.

On Thursday, the Institute of Supply Management on Thursday reported worse-than-expected growth for the US services sector.
That initially spooked markets for the third straight day. Stocks turned sharply lower following the closely watched report, with the Dow falling as much as 335 points at its lowest point.

But stocks rallied back, recovering their losses by midday, as investors' hopes of a Fed rate cut increased dramatically. Expectations for a quarter-percentage-point interest-rate cut by the Federal Reserve jumped above 90%, compared to 77% on Wednesday and less than 50% last week, according to the CME FedWatch Tool.

Another reason stocks bounced back may be that "we went a little too far, too fast," and investors might be buying the dip, said Tom Kennedy, head trader and portfolio analyst at New England Investment & Retirement Group.

Signs that the US economy is slowing could trigger a series of rate cuts or other forms of stimulus from the central bank. That typically helps boost markets, although bad news isn't always good news: Lower interest rates are good for stocks, but the environment that tends to necessitate monetary easing usually isn't.

The manufacturing sector has contracted for two straight months, hurt by the ongoing trade war with China and slowing global demand. But the services sector is by far the largest American industry. Although still growing, it is just barely expanding, according to ISM: The non-manufacturing index for September fell to 52.6, compared with 55 expected. A reading above 50 indicates growth.

"Global manufacturing is facing plenty of of headwinds and now, that is spilling over into services," wrote Jennifer Lee, senior economist at BMO.

Prices largely remained in check: Markit's services inflation index was in line with expectations at 50.9.

"And the various services sectors will feel the hit even more once the new tariffs on European goods kick in on October 18th," Lee said.

The United States plans to impose import tariffs on $7.5 billion worth of European-made goods as soon as October 18. The new tariffs follow a ruling against the European Union by the World Trade Organization, saying that Airbus was improperly subsidized.

Investors will also be particularly attuned to Friday's jobs report. So far, US consumers have kept the economy growing in part thanks to a strong jobs market. Investors are now nervously looking for cracks in that foundation.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/investing/dow-stock-market-today/index.html

:brickwall:

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Are you saying this entire impeachment show is political?

Of course its political; it all takes place in Congress between the House and the Senate.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If they ever manage to find a way to make it stick, it'll never pass the Senate anyway.