The US Presidency 2019

[Infanteer]

Conrad Black's editorial caught my eye.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-the-absurd-collusion-delusion-goes-up-in-smoke-at-last

His conclusion is quite to the point, and is a telling indictment of what the mainstream media infotainment industry has become:

Our media failed. Our correspondents in Washington just took the feed from the Trump-haters and did precisely nothing to explain what was really happening, or to prepare the Canadian public for the outcome, or even comment intelligently after the collusion bubble burst. Dislike of Trump, I repeat, is quite understandable, but an almost complete failure of our media that focuses on Washington to grasp, even after the revelation of it, what was really unfolding there, is inexcusable.

 

[FJAG]

Conrad Black's editorial caught my eye.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-the-absurd-collusion-delusion-goes-up-in-smoke-at-last

His conclusion is quite to the point, and is a telling indictment of what the mainstream media infotainment industry has become:

Sorry. I find Conrad's shrieking to be only slightly left of Alex Jones's conspiracy tripe. More articulate, perhaps, but no more persuasive.

:2c:

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Conrad Black's editorial caught my eye.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-the-absurd-collusion-delusion-goes-up-in-smoke-at-last

His conclusion is quite to the point, and is a telling indictment of what the mainstream media infotainment industry has become:

I find his articles to be much more truthful than most of the MSM. I agree with him on this.

The MSM has destroyed itself in their efforts to support the liberal agenda of impeaching Trump. Even Fox has fallen victim to leftist owners and policy.

Pretty bad when the National Enquirer and News of the World are better sources of the news than CNN, MSNBC, CBC or Global.

I expected the left to lose their minds when Mueller didn't indict Trump  ullhair:

I expect they will pull out all the stops when Sen (R) Graham starts investigating the them, instead of them harassing Trump. It is going to be both interesting and satisfying to watch the contortions coming when they start hearing the real truth about their leaders. It would be great to see investigations of the left, on both sides of the border, going on at the same time. May even find some common ground between them.

Want collusion conspiracy theory? The trudeau grits and the obama/ clinton democrats conspired together to force socialism on North America at the same time.............but Trump happened  Time to turn Hubble onto the left now.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

:sarcasm:



https://babylonbee.com/news/democratic-leaders-call-for-new-investigation-to-investigate-the-investigators-investigating-the-investigators

Democratic Leaders Call For New Investigation To Investigate The Investigators Investigating The Investigators

WASHINGTON, D.C.—After House Republicans formally called for an investigation into the investigators investigating the Trump campaign, congressional Democrats quickly responded by calling for a new investigation into the investigators investigating the original investigators.

The investigation will center around claims that the investigators assigned to investigate the investigators may show significant bias, with the new investigators investigating the investigation investigators attempting to determine if there has been any prejudice or corruption in the investigation investigation.

“We now know who will investigate the investigators, but who will investigate the investigators investigating the investigators?” Senator Chuck Schumer said in a press conference. “We must hold the investigators investigating the investigation accountable if we are to retain our faith in the justice system.”

At publishing time, Republican leadership had called for a fourth investigation to investigate the investigators who were tasked with investigating the investigators assigned to investigate the investigators.

 

[mariomike]

I find Conrad's shrieking to be only slightly left of Alex Jones's conspiracy tripe.

The Chair of the House Intelligence Committee had this to say,
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4788386/ok&fbclid=IwAR0PgsT1yBB_4vV8OU5q2x9eNQvadHV3k5-jCrUK1Fc7KrvYxc1KTrM9vnA

The Los Angeles Times,

Since he delivered the litany, no one has called him on a single error.

In spite of the name-calling.

 

[Brad Sallows]

A shrieker Black may be, but he is essentially correct: much of the media got played again (along with many others), pretty much the same way that Ben Rhodes played them over the Iran deal (and in which presumably Team PMO hoped to play Canadian media).  The ones with egg on their faces wanted to believe Trump was going down over "Russian collusion" and took at face value the claims of all the "former administration officials" and "anonymous administration officials" that there was hard, serious evidence.  Either through a disinclination to do the hard work of corroborating any of the claims or a simple inability to do so, they've been shown to have been peddling a lot of BS on behalf of others for well over two years.

Schiff has decided to go all-in.  AG Barr's commitment, described fairly here at The Atlantic, means that if there is anything that someone other than Mueller might choose to latch onto, it should become available.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

AG Barr's commitment, described fairly here at The Atlantic, means that if there is anything that someone other than Mueller might choose to latch onto, it should become available.

I think the Atlantic article says it all: wait until the Mueller report is made available and see what he actually found. Until then everyone should take a Valium.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Honest question:  Mueller and Barr are both Republicans.  Doesn't this make it a Republican investigation by definition?

Both are in non partisan positions. I'd say no.

 

[mariomike]

The Tables Turn in Russian Collusion Hunt - By Victor Davis Hanson - 31 Mar 19
Has been moved to,
https://milnet.ca/forums/threads/130138/post-1567391.html#msg1567391
"Lengthy posts and fully quoted articles are posted here. Link to these large posts in the regular boards."

 

[Jarnhamar]

https://milnet.ca/forums/threads/130138/post-1567391.html#msg1567391

-Former FBI Director James Comey falsely testified.
-Andrew McCabe currently is under criminal referral for lying to federal investigators.
-Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has admitted to lying under oath to Congress.
-Clinton aides Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin likely also lied to FBI investigators when they claimed they had no knowledge while working at the State Department that their boss, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was using an illegal private email server
-Samantha Power, the former U.N. ambassador, in her last year in office requested on more than 260 occasions to unmask names of Americans monitored by the government. Yet Power later claimed that most of these requests were not made by her. And yet she either does not know or does not cite who exactly used her name to make such requests during the election cycle.
-Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr did not tell the truth on a federal written disclosure required by law when he omitted the key fact that his wife Nellie worked on Christopher Steele’s Fusion GPS dossier.
-Former CIA Director John Brennan has admitted to lying under oath to Congress on two occasions.

And so on.

Jesus. Quite the crew.  I remember when Trump revoked Brennan's security clearance and it seemed like there was a collective how dare he.
Brennan went on to say
"When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but will not destroy America... America will triumph over you."

Does lying under oath to congress count as moral turpitude?

Pretty scary when you realize how corrupt at all levels the most powerful nation in the world is. Is the US really all that different than the KSA?

 

[QV]

If half of what Victor Davis Hanson wrote is true, and for the record I think it is mostly true, there should be outrage at the abuses that took place.  Even if you detest Trump. 

I'd like to hear from the usual crowd on this forum, specifically the ones so diametrically opposed to anything Trump, what are your thoughts on these allegations?

My experience with colleagues or others I know is many people are not aware of the detail.  They catch a 10 second CNN clip stating "orange man bad" and they are back to the hockey game.  But honestly, for those who detest Trump and who have followed this train wreck in detail from the beginning, how do you rate what Hanson lays out and does it change your opinion in any way on the Trump administration? 

   

 

[mariomike]

If half of what Victor Davis Hanson wrote is true,

The Chair of the House Intelligence Committee,
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4788386/ok&fbclid=IwAR0PgsT1yBB_4vV8OU5q2x9eNQvadHV3k5-jCrUK1Fc7KrvYxc1KTrM9vnA

The Los Angeles Times,

Since he delivered the litany, no one has called him on a single error.

In spite of the name-calling.

 

[kkwd]

The Chair of the House Intelligence Committee,
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4788386/ok&fbclid=IwAR0PgsT1yBB_4vV8OU5q2x9eNQvadHV3k5-jCrUK1Fc7KrvYxc1KTrM9vnA

The Los Angeles Times,
In spite of the name-calling.

You posted this earlier in the thread. Anyway, it is only Adam Schiff's personal opinion.

 

[Rifleman62]

Adam Schiff, now House Intelligence Committee Chair, has been saying he has proof (of everything Trump) for more than two years. He has never produced a teensy-weensy bit of proof. Just air.

For you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=140&v=p8_EoMmuqVU

Another day in Trump’s America

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If half of what Victor Davis Hanson wrote is true, and for the record I think it is mostly true, there should be outrage at the abuses that took place.  Even if you detest Trump. 

I'd like to hear from the usual crowd on this forum, specifically the ones so diametrically opposed to anything Trump, what are your thoughts on these allegations?

My experience with colleagues or others I know is many people are not aware of the detail.  They catch a 10 second CNN clip stating "orange man bad" and they are back to the hockey game.  But honestly, for those who detest Trump and who have followed this train wreck in detail from the beginning, how do you rate what Hanson lays out and does it change your opinion in any way on the Trump administration? 

 

Pretty nice knowing you were right all along, isn't it? 

 

[Jarnhamar]

Adam Schiff, now House Intelligence Committee Chair, has been saying he has proof (of everything Trump) for more than two years. He has never produced a teensy-weensy bit of proof. Just air.

For you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=140&v=p8_EoMmuqVU

Another day in Trump’s America

It seems like a lot of people risked (sold?) their credibility and career on hating Trump.  Whatever your feelings on Trump are it seems pretty hard to deny there was a combine arms effort at taking him down. From the media to the FBI, which is pretty messed up.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It seems like a lot of people risked (sold?) their credibility and career on hating Trump.  Whatever your feelings on Trump are it seems pretty hard to deny there was a combine arms effort at taking him down. From the media to the FBI, which is pretty messed up.

A lot of people gambled on, what they thought, was a slam dunk. They listened to the promises and plans of their colleagues and leaders. The same colleagues and leaders who manufactured, what they considered was, an airtight plan to use dishonesty and deceit to take him down. Tried and true practices they have used previously to silence political enemies. They grew comfortable with these means. These means, designed to take out other politicians.

Except Trump is not a politician.

They failed miserably. All those hangers on, that were sure in their leaders capabilities, jumped on board attempting to curry favour with the leaders of the Shadow Government. Planning on coming out ahead when the new state appeared after the quiet revolution.

Those who, falsely, climb to great heights, fall the furthest, back to reality.

I don't care if Trump does anything else for the next five years, so long as all the major players and a large swath of the ignorant worker bees, in this fiasco, go to prison for a long time.

Only when politicians start going to jail, will honesty and integrity start returning to politics. Fines don't work. A waitress in November is now a millionaire. Getting booted from politics doesn't work. Your corrupt party cronies will find you a multi million dollar consulting business to work, on behalf of the party.

Jail. Real jail. Not a white collar, financial fraud type day camp/ prison farm. Good solid lock down, orange jumpsuit, ADX in Colorado type place.

We should really show them the way and how easy it is, by starting right here at home with our own bad seed politicos and enablers.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Goto prison for taking a wrong but innocent picture of a submarine engine but not keeping a server full of illegally stored classified emails. For a pocket full of pot but not lying under oath to Congress.

:not-again:

A bit off topic but I wonder how the Russian revelations (lack there of) will effect Canadian politics and if we'll see less omg Conservatives = Trump rethoric.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Goto prison for taking a wrong but innocent picture of a submarine engine but not keeping a server full of illegally stored classified emails. For a pocket full of pot but not lying under oath to Congress.

:not-again:

A bit off topic but I wonder how the Russian revelations (lack there of) will effect Canadian politics and if we'll see less omg Conservatives = Trump rethoric.

Wouldn't bet on that Jarn. It seems the deeper they dig, the more they double down with more progressively fantastic lies and actions. It's a strategy based on, "If they're defending from our attacks they can't mount an offence, we just have to hold out till we get elected. Then we can make our bad stuff disappear again." This is Schiff's modus operendi.

Except, I don't believe liberals on either side of the border will. Not until they tear down the structure, fire all the senior placeholders and start back at a grass roots junior party. Within that, full hearings and judicial recommendations for prosecution of anyone that has the slightest stink of 'old boys club' on them. Investigations that politicians can't control. You don't send the fox to fix the chicken coop.

If the proper people can get inside the liberal OODA loop, the whole network will come down.

 

[QV]

A lot of people were counting on a Clinton presidency.