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Good2Golf said:
WTF ??
430 feet from the threshhold on an ILS......i guess " minimums....nothing seen...overshooting" means nothing to them
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WTF ??
430 feet from the threshhold on an ILS......i guess " minimums....nothing seen...overshooting" means nothing to them
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Gee, I'm shocked... 
This has happened once or twice before:
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/35058/post-276930.html#msg276930
And cynics wonder why I don't support use of Russian/East bloc aircraft as our main strategic transport means...
This has happened once or twice before:http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/35058/post-276930.html#msg276930
And cynics wonder why I don't support use of Russian/East bloc aircraft as our main strategic transport means...
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...strange how the fence posts and chain link were bent inward toward the button......? I did a visual with my niner, who laughed her head off!
From what I heard...they tried to land twice, missed {or couldn't see the LIGHTS that were in their eyes!} and went to OT. Not landing. They had to come back, unload the load coming in and...oh, get investigated and sober up...
Rumours only!!! It's quite the joke around here. Mind you, we had to get them to STOP smoking and cooking while we were refueling them! Fun bunch of guys..
...and the C-17 is coming when??....
:-X
From what I heard...they tried to land twice, missed {or couldn't see the LIGHTS that were in their eyes!} and went to OT. Not landing. They had to come back, unload the load coming in and...oh, get investigated and sober up...
Rumours only!!! It's quite the joke around here. Mind you, we had to get them to STOP smoking and cooking while we were refueling them! Fun bunch of guys..
...and the C-17 is coming when??....
:-X
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CADORS Number: 2007O0755
International Aviation
Narrative: UPDATE from TSB Daily Notification Log Occurrence Summary A07O0119: The Silk Way Airlines Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft, registration 4K-AZ41, operating as flight AZQ4992, was on an ILS approach to runway 24 at the Trenton Air Force Base in Trenton, Ontario. The weather at the time was reported as one half mile in fog, vertical visibility 500 feet, RVR 600, temperature and dew point 12 degrees celsius and the wind was 210 at 06 knots. The aircraft struck the airport perimeter fence with the main landing gear and briefly touched down on the left main landing gear approximately 430 feet from the threshold of runway 24. The flight crew aborted the landing and applied engine power. The aircraft climbed to 3000 feet asl and entered a hold at this altitude. After approximately one hour it diverted to the Ottawa/MacDonald-Cartier airport. Ottawa tower was contacted by Trenton and advised of the incoming aircraft and that it had struck the fence on approach. Ottawa tower called out ARFF as a precaution. The AZQ 4992 flight crew did not declare an emergency. The aircraft landed uneventfully and taxied to the local FBO. ARFF followed the aircraft and assisted the crew in removing the barbed wire that was wrapped around the left main landing gear. After a period of time the aircraft took off from Ottawa and arrived in Trenton where the onboard cargo was offloaded. TSB, Transport Canada, and the Canadian Forces Directorate of Flight Safety (DFS) were notified of the event. DFS will be the lead in the investigation with TSB participating and providing support. Examination of the aircraft revealed substantial damage to the underside of the fuselage as a result of the impact with the fence. The TSB have made this occurrence an accident since it had substantial damage.
International Aviation
Narrative: UPDATE from TSB Daily Notification Log Occurrence Summary A07O0119: The Silk Way Airlines Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft, registration 4K-AZ41, operating as flight AZQ4992, was on an ILS approach to runway 24 at the Trenton Air Force Base in Trenton, Ontario. The weather at the time was reported as one half mile in fog, vertical visibility 500 feet, RVR 600, temperature and dew point 12 degrees celsius and the wind was 210 at 06 knots. The aircraft struck the airport perimeter fence with the main landing gear and briefly touched down on the left main landing gear approximately 430 feet from the threshold of runway 24. The flight crew aborted the landing and applied engine power. The aircraft climbed to 3000 feet asl and entered a hold at this altitude. After approximately one hour it diverted to the Ottawa/MacDonald-Cartier airport. Ottawa tower was contacted by Trenton and advised of the incoming aircraft and that it had struck the fence on approach. Ottawa tower called out ARFF as a precaution. The AZQ 4992 flight crew did not declare an emergency. The aircraft landed uneventfully and taxied to the local FBO. ARFF followed the aircraft and assisted the crew in removing the barbed wire that was wrapped around the left main landing gear. After a period of time the aircraft took off from Ottawa and arrived in Trenton where the onboard cargo was offloaded. TSB, Transport Canada, and the Canadian Forces Directorate of Flight Safety (DFS) were notified of the event. DFS will be the lead in the investigation with TSB participating and providing support. Examination of the aircraft revealed substantial damage to the underside of the fuselage as a result of the impact with the fence. The TSB have made this occurrence an accident since it had substantial damage.
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Teddy Ruxpin said:Gee, I'm shocked...
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/35058/post-276930.html#msg276930
And cynics wonder why I don't support use of Russian/East bloc aircraft as our main strategic transport means...
I think the problem lies more with the Russian/Eastbloc aircrew..........
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Baden Guy said:
They didn't even spill their Vodka!
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a_majoor said:
Certainly - my comment was directed at our use of contracted lift. Skylink's original proposal had us contracting (basically) all our lift to them. There's been no suggestion (IIRC) that the CF fly Russian aircraft.
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G2G:
Thanks for posting the CADORS link - that was a good read.
Some nice approach planning by the crew - they set themselves up (even though they had a 1/2 mile reported ground vis) for a CAT I approach with an RVR of 600 feet and a vertical vis of 500 feet. Interesting. There's an approach ban for CAT II with a single RVR (A) of < 1200 feet which begs the question, "Hhhmmm, what are my chances of even making this approach on CAT I minima when CAT II minima don't exist at the time???".
How could they possibly hope to see a thing from 200 & 1/2 in those conditions??
Bummer.
Oh well ....... at least nobody was hurt.
Thanks for posting the CADORS link - that was a good read.
Some nice approach planning by the crew - they set themselves up (even though they had a 1/2 mile reported ground vis) for a CAT I approach with an RVR of 600 feet and a vertical vis of 500 feet. Interesting. There's an approach ban for CAT II with a single RVR (A) of < 1200 feet which begs the question, "Hhhmmm, what are my chances of even making this approach on CAT I minima when CAT II minima don't exist at the time???".
How could they possibly hope to see a thing from 200 & 1/2 in those conditions??
Bummer.
Oh well ....... at least nobody was hurt.
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Globesmasher said:G2G:
Thanks for posting the CADORS link - that was a good read.
Some nice approach planning by the crew - they set themselves up (even though they had a 1/2 mile reported ground vis) for a CAT I approach with an RVR of 600 feet and a vertical vis of 500 feet. Interesting. There's an approach ban for CAT II with a single RVR (A) of < 1200 feet which begs the question, "Hhhmmm, what are my chances of even making this approach on CAT I minima when CAT II minima don't exist at the time???".
How could they possibly hope to see a thing from 200 & 1/2 in those conditions??
Bummer.
I read it that way as well and had to ask myself if the crew even had to right plates or plates at all. Remember reading about that Flying tigers air B747 that crashed in Kuala Lumpur because they flew an ILS using an NDB plate ?
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AFX News Limited
Russian bombers spotted over North Sea; UK, Norwegian fighter jets scramble
07.20.07, 9:01 AM ET
OSLO (Thomson Financial) - British and Norwegian fighter jets scrambled over the North Sea after Russian bombers were spotted flying at 'unusual' latitudes overnight, the Norwegian military said today.
The repeated sightings of Russian jets -- the most numerous off Norway's coast since the end of the Cold War according to Norwegian public radio NRK -- came amid an escalating diplomatic crisis between Russia and Britain.
In the third incident of its kind this week, Norwegian jets were again called out early this morning as another two Russian bombers were spotted close to Norwegian airspace, the military said.
Two Russian TU95 Bear bombers were first detected overnight Thursday in international airspace between Stavanger, southeastern Norway, and the Scottish town Aberdeen, Norwegian army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jon Inge Oegland told Agence France-Presse.
'It is a little unusual. It's been a long time since we saw Russian aircraft this far south,' he said.
Norway sent two F-16 fighters 'to identify the aircraft and to mark the Norwegian airspace,' he said, adding that Britain also dispatched aircraft to the scene.
The Russian bombers then turned back.
Hours later, two Russian TU160 Blackjack bombers were observed flying westwards, west of the Barents Sea, early this morning, again prompting the Norwegian military to dispatch F-16s, Oegland said.
'Both times the Russian bombers stayed within international airspace the entire time. They didn't do anything wrong,' Oegland stressed.
'It would be pure speculation to guess why they did what they did.'
Two Russian TU95 Bear bombers were detected in the Norwegian Sea off northwestern Norway on Tuesday. Oslo and London scrambled fighters but the Russian planes turned back on their own, the Norwegian military said.
http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/07/20/afx3935202.html
Also:
"July 20, 2007: In an unusual surge of activity, there were three groups of long range Tu-95 or Tu-160 aircraft in the air off the north Russian coast this weel. It was only last year that the air force resumed long range flights over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans. About a hundred of these flights were carried out last year, mainly by Tu-95MS and Tu-160 heavy bombers. Russia has also increased the number of heavy bomber crews it is training, with 42 new crews entering service in 2006. Russia has about 50 operational Tu-95s and about sixteen Tu-160s. Both bombers can, with in-flight refueling, reach any place on the planet. The Norwegian air force keeps two armed F-16 fighters on constant alert to go escort Russian aircraft that fly just outside Norwegian airspace. Britain also keeps fighters on alert to meet the Russian aircraft when they near British air space."http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20070722.aspx
The Russians are back
MICHAEL HOWIE
HOME AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT
20-Jul-07 00:04 BST
RUSSIAN bombers were yesterday intercepted off Scotland by RAF Tornado aircraft after encroaching into UK airspace in an incident reminiscent of the Cold War.
The Ministry of Defence said that two Tu-95 "Bear" bombers briefly entered British airspace at about 2am, but turned back after British F-3s, part of the RAF's Quick Reaction Alert, intercepted them.
A spokesman did not specify where the interception took place, but reports said they were over oilfields close to the morth-east coast.
About three hours later, two Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers reached the fringes of British airspace and returned to base after Tornados were once again scrambled from RAF Leeming in Yorkshire.
The incidents took place two days after RAF planes were forced to approach Russian bombers as they headed toward British airspace.
Colonel Alexander Drobyshevsky, a Russian Air Force spokesman, said British planes approaching bombers on training flights was "normal".
But such a spate of incidents, which were commonplace during the Cold War as military aircraft carried out reconnaissance on enemy installations, has been described as "highly unusual" by aviation experts, and occurred amid heightened diplomatic tensions between Russia and Britain over Moscow's refusal to extradite a murder suspect.
A spokesman for the MoD said that "to have three launches in one week is unusual... but to connect these with anything happening in London would be speculation".
However, Jim Ferguson, an aviation writer, said it was possible the incidents were linked to the ongoing diplomatic row, adding: "The only people who will know whether the Russians are flexing their muscles as a result of the diplomatic spat will be those in the Kremlin."
He said the Tu-160 approach was "unusual", but there was "nothing new" in Bear reconnaissance flights
Meanwhile, Andrei Lugovoy, the suspect in the radiation poisoning death of the Kremlin foe and former KGB officer, Alexander Litvinenko, yesterday claimed London provoked the current confrontation to hide a lack of evidence.
In a radio interview, Mr Lugovoy said he was prepared to face British prosecutors in Russia but will not leave his country for fear that he could be arrested at the behest of Britain.
The interview, in which he called British accusations of a lack of co-operation "a cynical and impudent lie", came a day after Russia's decision to expel diplomats, stop issuing visas for British officials and halt counter-terrorism co-operation.
The moves followed Britain's announcement on Monday that it was expelling four Russian diplomats, restricting visas issued to Russian government officials and reviewing interaction on a range of issues, in what it said was a necessary response to Moscow's refusal to co-operate.
This article: http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1138812007
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1138812007
Increased Russian military activity in the North
Norwegian jet fighters were three times this week scrambled to meet Russian bombers which flew close to the Norwegian coast. The flights are seen as part of a Russian military exercise.
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21.07.2007 07:59
On Tuesday the Russian Tupolev (Bear) bombers flew down to Troendelag before turning back north.
In the early hours of Friday morning they were escorted by Norwegian jet fighters as far down as the waters between Stavanger and Aberdeen, before returning to Russia.
On Friday morning another two bombers approached the coast of Finnmark, when they were met by Norwegian jet fighters, and turned back out to sea.
The Norwegian Defence has seen an increased activity by Russian military aircraft along the Norwegian coast over the last couple of years.
- There has been a gradual increase in the activity since the down-period of the Russian Defence in the middle of the 1990's, says Defence spokesman John Inge Oeglaend.
- We must go back to the Soviet era to find such high (military) activity on land, sea and in the air, says Deputy leader of the Barents Secretariat, Thomas Nilsen.
Defence experts see this as a sign that the Russian military forces now have more money to spend on preparedness. This week the Russians ended their annual summer exercise in the northern region.
As part of the NATO preparedness agreement, Norway always has two fully armed jet fighters on full alert at the Bodoe Air Base, ready for take-off.http://www.norwaypost.no/cgi-bin/norwaypost/imaker?id=91770
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AFX News Limited
Russian bombers spotted over North Sea; UK, Norwegian fighter jets scramble
07.20.07, 9:01 AM ET
OSLO (Thomson Financial) - British and Norwegian fighter jets scrambled over the North Sea after Russian bombers were spotted flying at 'unusual' latitudes overnight, the Norwegian military said today.
The repeated sightings of Russian jets -- the most numerous off Norway's coast since the end of the Cold War according to Norwegian public radio NRK -- came amid an escalating diplomatic crisis between Russia and Britain.
In the third incident of its kind this week, Norwegian jets were again called out early this morning as another two Russian bombers were spotted close to Norwegian airspace, the military said.
Two Russian TU95 Bear bombers were first detected overnight Thursday in international airspace between Stavanger, southeastern Norway, and the Scottish town Aberdeen, Norwegian army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jon Inge Oegland told Agence France-Presse.
'It is a little unusual. It's been a long time since we saw Russian aircraft this far south,' he said.
Norway sent two F-16 fighters 'to identify the aircraft and to mark the Norwegian airspace,' he said, adding that Britain also dispatched aircraft to the scene.
The Russian bombers then turned back.
Hours later, two Russian TU160 Blackjack bombers were observed flying westwards, west of the Barents Sea, early this morning, again prompting the Norwegian military to dispatch F-16s, Oegland said.
'Both times the Russian bombers stayed within international airspace the entire time. They didn't do anything wrong,' Oegland stressed.
'It would be pure speculation to guess why they did what they did.'
Two Russian TU95 Bear bombers were detected in the Norwegian Sea off northwestern Norway on Tuesday. Oslo and London scrambled fighters but the Russian planes turned back on their own, the Norwegian military said.
http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/07/20/afx3935202.html
Also:
"July 20, 2007: In an unusual surge of activity, there were three groups of long range Tu-95 or Tu-160 aircraft in the air off the north Russian coast this weel. It was only last year that the air force resumed long range flights over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans. About a hundred of these flights were carried out last year, mainly by Tu-95MS and Tu-160 heavy bombers. Russia has also increased the number of heavy bomber crews it is training, with 42 new crews entering service in 2006. Russia has about 50 operational Tu-95s and about sixteen Tu-160s. Both bombers can, with in-flight refueling, reach any place on the planet. The Norwegian air force keeps two armed F-16 fighters on constant alert to go escort Russian aircraft that fly just outside Norwegian airspace. Britain also keeps fighters on alert to meet the Russian aircraft when they near British air space."http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20070722.aspx
The Russians are back
MICHAEL HOWIE
HOME AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT
20-Jul-07 00:04 BST
RUSSIAN bombers were yesterday intercepted off Scotland by RAF Tornado aircraft after encroaching into UK airspace in an incident reminiscent of the Cold War.
The Ministry of Defence said that two Tu-95 "Bear" bombers briefly entered British airspace at about 2am, but turned back after British F-3s, part of the RAF's Quick Reaction Alert, intercepted them.
A spokesman did not specify where the interception took place, but reports said they were over oilfields close to the morth-east coast.
About three hours later, two Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers reached the fringes of British airspace and returned to base after Tornados were once again scrambled from RAF Leeming in Yorkshire.
The incidents took place two days after RAF planes were forced to approach Russian bombers as they headed toward British airspace.
Colonel Alexander Drobyshevsky, a Russian Air Force spokesman, said British planes approaching bombers on training flights was "normal".
But such a spate of incidents, which were commonplace during the Cold War as military aircraft carried out reconnaissance on enemy installations, has been described as "highly unusual" by aviation experts, and occurred amid heightened diplomatic tensions between Russia and Britain over Moscow's refusal to extradite a murder suspect.
A spokesman for the MoD said that "to have three launches in one week is unusual... but to connect these with anything happening in London would be speculation".
However, Jim Ferguson, an aviation writer, said it was possible the incidents were linked to the ongoing diplomatic row, adding: "The only people who will know whether the Russians are flexing their muscles as a result of the diplomatic spat will be those in the Kremlin."
He said the Tu-160 approach was "unusual", but there was "nothing new" in Bear reconnaissance flights
Meanwhile, Andrei Lugovoy, the suspect in the radiation poisoning death of the Kremlin foe and former KGB officer, Alexander Litvinenko, yesterday claimed London provoked the current confrontation to hide a lack of evidence.
In a radio interview, Mr Lugovoy said he was prepared to face British prosecutors in Russia but will not leave his country for fear that he could be arrested at the behest of Britain.
The interview, in which he called British accusations of a lack of co-operation "a cynical and impudent lie", came a day after Russia's decision to expel diplomats, stop issuing visas for British officials and halt counter-terrorism co-operation.
The moves followed Britain's announcement on Monday that it was expelling four Russian diplomats, restricting visas issued to Russian government officials and reviewing interaction on a range of issues, in what it said was a necessary response to Moscow's refusal to co-operate.
This article: http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1138812007
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1138812007
Increased Russian military activity in the North
Norwegian jet fighters were three times this week scrambled to meet Russian bombers which flew close to the Norwegian coast. The flights are seen as part of a Russian military exercise.
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21.07.2007 07:59
On Tuesday the Russian Tupolev (Bear) bombers flew down to Troendelag before turning back north.
In the early hours of Friday morning they were escorted by Norwegian jet fighters as far down as the waters between Stavanger and Aberdeen, before returning to Russia.
On Friday morning another two bombers approached the coast of Finnmark, when they were met by Norwegian jet fighters, and turned back out to sea.
The Norwegian Defence has seen an increased activity by Russian military aircraft along the Norwegian coast over the last couple of years.
- There has been a gradual increase in the activity since the down-period of the Russian Defence in the middle of the 1990's, says Defence spokesman John Inge Oeglaend.
- We must go back to the Soviet era to find such high (military) activity on land, sea and in the air, says Deputy leader of the Barents Secretariat, Thomas Nilsen.
Defence experts see this as a sign that the Russian military forces now have more money to spend on preparedness. This week the Russians ended their annual summer exercise in the northern region.
As part of the NATO preparedness agreement, Norway always has two fully armed jet fighters on full alert at the Bodoe Air Base, ready for take-off.http://www.norwaypost.no/cgi-bin/norwaypost/imaker?id=91770
I was about to start a new thread, but figured this fit well here.
Usual disclaimers and such...
Russia sparks Cold War scramble
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6938856.stm
The Tu-95 pilots exchanged smiles with their US counterparts
Russian bombers have flown to the US island of Guam in the Pacific in a surprise manoeuvre reminiscent of the Cold War era.
Two Tu-95 turboprops flew this week to Guam, home to a big US military base, Russian Maj Gen Pavel Androsov said. They "exchanged smiles" with US pilots who scrambled to track them, he added.
The sorties, believed to be the first since the Cold War ended, come as Russia stresses a more assertive foreign policy, correspondents say.
The flight is part of a pattern of more expansive Russian military operations in recent weeks, says BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus.
Old practice
Gen Androsov said the strategic bombers had flown 13 hours from their base in the Russian Far East during the exercise.
"It has always been the tradition of our long-range aviation to fly far into the ocean, to meet [US] aircraft carriers and greet [US pilots] visually," he said at a news conference.
"Yesterday [Wednesday] we revived this tradition, and two of our young crews paid a visit to the area of the base of Guam," he said.
"I think the result was good. We met our colleagues - fighter jet pilots from [US] aircraft carriers. We exchanged smiles and returned home," he added.
During the Cold War, Soviet bombers regularly flew long-haul missions to areas patrolled by Nato and the US.
The bombers have the capability of launching a nuclear strike with the missiles they carry.
END ARTICLE
Seems the Russian's are getting real frisky lately.
Usual disclaimers and such...
Russia sparks Cold War scramble
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6938856.stm
The Tu-95 pilots exchanged smiles with their US counterparts
Russian bombers have flown to the US island of Guam in the Pacific in a surprise manoeuvre reminiscent of the Cold War era.
Two Tu-95 turboprops flew this week to Guam, home to a big US military base, Russian Maj Gen Pavel Androsov said. They "exchanged smiles" with US pilots who scrambled to track them, he added.
The sorties, believed to be the first since the Cold War ended, come as Russia stresses a more assertive foreign policy, correspondents say.
The flight is part of a pattern of more expansive Russian military operations in recent weeks, says BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus.
Old practice
Gen Androsov said the strategic bombers had flown 13 hours from their base in the Russian Far East during the exercise.
"It has always been the tradition of our long-range aviation to fly far into the ocean, to meet [US] aircraft carriers and greet [US pilots] visually," he said at a news conference.
"Yesterday [Wednesday] we revived this tradition, and two of our young crews paid a visit to the area of the base of Guam," he said.
"I think the result was good. We met our colleagues - fighter jet pilots from [US] aircraft carriers. We exchanged smiles and returned home," he added.
During the Cold War, Soviet bombers regularly flew long-haul missions to areas patrolled by Nato and the US.
The bombers have the capability of launching a nuclear strike with the missiles they carry.
END ARTICLE
Seems the Russian's are getting real frisky lately.
Colin Parkinson
Army.ca Myth
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Ah they just want to exchange smiles and waves, perhaps the West should do the same. On th plus side it might breath some life back into NATO.
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Although the routes are different, and the countries approached vary, Bear (Tu-95) or Russian Bear (refering to the country) air activity is nothing new...
Try reading here for a summary of publicly released information on Russian Strategic Aviation exercises.
http://www.nti.org/db/nisprofs/russia/weapons/maneuver.htm
Try reading here for a summary of publicly released information on Russian Strategic Aviation exercises.
http://www.nti.org/db/nisprofs/russia/weapons/maneuver.htm
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Thanks for the link . I just skimed over it briefly didn't realize how active they have been I heard the odd story on the evening news the past year or two but that was about it . IT makes you wonder if we are headed back to a cold war scenario again
Thanks for the link . I just skimed over it briefly didn't realize how active they have been I heard the odd story on the evening news the past year or two but that was about it . IT makes you wonder if we are headed back to a cold war scenario again
