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The Red Fridays Foundation of Canada & Repatriation Memorial Rally (May 08): Objections & Praise

I was kind of surprised to see the rash of coverage this afternoon along these lines, but thanks LadySierra for the new information.  48th is right - people will see this stuff here...

More of the same from Canadian Press', shared with the usual disclaimer....

Planned red-car procession to commemorate fallen soldiers angers critics
Kristine Owram, The Canadian Press, 27 May 08

A planned procession of nearly 100 cars and trucks, scheduled to travel from Trenton, Ont., to Toronto this weekend to commemorate the lives of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, has some military families seeing red.

Saturday's event, organized by a group called the Red Fridays Foundation of Canada, will be led by a red Chrysler - donated by a local dealership - emblazoned with the names of 83 soldiers killed since 2002.

Another 83 red vehicles, all of them provided by individual supporters, will follow the lead car down the stretch of Ontario freeway dubbed the Highway of Heroes - the same route taken by the solemn procession that follows the repatriation of a fallen soldier's remains.

"It's a tribute to the men and women who have recently fallen in Afghanistan," said event organizer Brian Muntz, who expects about 15 families who have lost loved ones to the war, including some from outside Ontario, to participate.

"This is something to bring support for our troops to the public forefront."

Muntz said he's encouraging members of the public to participate, and expects as many as 1,000 private vehicles to join the procession.

But the original founders of the Red Fridays movement, which encourages Canadians to support the military by wearing red on the last day of the work week, aren't affiliated with Muntz's group and say some families don't approve of having their loved one's name on the car.

"We support any event for our troops and their families, but we don't believe in a lot of things that are happening in this event," said Lisa Miller, a military wife who started Red Fridays along with her friend Karen Boire.

"Like the names that are on the red car without permission. I know that's upset a lot of people."

The car isn't meant to be an advertisement, Muntz said.

"This car was made to honour those who have fallen," he said. "It doesn't say anywhere on the car to give money or anything like that, it says to wear red on Fridays, and that is a non-partisan way to show that we care and we support our troops."

Muntz said he has received no complaints, but pledged to remove any name from the car if the families wish it.

The car is to be auctioned off after the rally, with proceeds going to a veterans' centre in Toronto. But the car isn't the only problem, say Boire and Miller, who accused Muntz of using their Red Fridays movement and their names without their permission.

"We found out about Brian Muntz and the Red Fridays website about seven months after we had started promoting Red Fridays," Miller said.

"We found him because our names were on his site, but we had no idea who he was. We were angry."

Their names were also being used to solicit financial donations, Boire added. "We have never asked anybody for money, and we don't plan on starting to. Everything we do, we do on our own."

Muntz later agreed to remove their names from the site after they complained.

However, many people still associate the two women with the Red Fridays Foundation and continue to call with offers to donate, Boire said.

The Red Fridays Foundation is not a registered charity, but Muntz said proceeds from Saturday's event are to be donated to various organizations, including the Canadian Hearing Society, which helps veterans who suffer from hearing loss.

It's not unusual for individuals or businesses to organize patriotic events in Canada, and people shouldn't be upset by it, said military historian Jack Granatstein.

"History should tell us that this has been the way it's been ever since the bond drives during the First World War, when companies took out full-page ads and made it a point to support the victory bond efforts," Granatstein said.

"It costs money to organize events of any kind, and a patriotic event spontaneously organized by individuals requires some funding. If a car dealer or a food company or a 'Johnny-on-the-spot' company figures it's important to do something like this, I don't see that it's a bad thing at all."

The day-long event starts at 9 a.m. with a rally at the Centennial Park Amphitheatre in Trenton, an hour's drive east of Toronto, with the procession scheduled to begin at noon. A rally and military tribute is also scheduled to take place in Toronto.

 
LadySierra said:
Think about, the public donates to him, no tax receipts...he takes donated money (and assuming he does donate it) donates it to a charitable donation (if in fact that is the case) and HE receives the tax receipts for his business as those donations have now been made on behalf of the Red Friday's Foundation of Canada
Hmmmm does that sit well... certainly not with me!

:brickwall:

Yeah, that's pretty shady.  :tsktsk:
 
I was not aware at all that my husband's name would be displayed on a vehicle. No one from the organization approached me about this or invited me to this rally. A lot of other organizations have done things to honor the fallen and their families and contacted us thru the military. However, this gentleman did not do this. And to advertise it as a fun filled afternoon? Get real....what could be more fun for my family than to take a drive along the route that my husband's body took. That was a very emotional time for us.
 
Celticgirl said:
Yeah, that's pretty shady.  :tsktsk:

Remember,

This is a site dedicated those that have, are, and will serve....

We already commemorate on a daily basis.

dileas

tess
 
teddybear said:
I was not aware at all that my husband's name would be displayed on a vehicle. No one from the organization approached me about this or invited me to this rally. A lot of other organizations have done things to honor the fallen and their families and contacted us thru the military. However, this gentleman did not do this. And to advertise it as a fun filled afternoon? Get real....what could be more fun for my family than to take a drive along the route that my husband's body took. That was a very emotional time for us.

I for one completely understand where you are coming from and what your concerns are. You are not the only spouse or parent of a fallen soldier that has NOT be contacted by the Red Friday's foundation in regards to having those soldiers name added to the car. At this point it seems that all 83 names are there, and now people are starting to speak up about it.

My advice to you, if this is of concern to you... log onto Mr. Muntz website and demand that your husbands name be removed. And save a copy of the email for yourself. He says he will obey the wishes of the families.

Please if you need any further assistance, or have any more questions don't hesitate to ask. We've been fighting this fight for quite some time now regarding redfridays.ca
 
I am glad that this has all come to light.  I definitely want to support the troops and fallen soldiers and will continue to do so, although, it will be in no way shape or form anything to do with the "Red Friday Foundation" 
I will continue to wear my red shirt of Friday's, go to the "Highway of Heroes" when a fallen hero returns home and do as much as I can. 
It boggles my mind that someone would take something so precious and sacred and tarnish it.  And if he is above board, he certainly isn't making himself look too good.  He should be an open book. 

Teddybear, I am very sorry that you have to deal with crap like this when you have enough on your plate already.  Such insensitivity is unbelievable. 
 
ENGINEERS WIFE said:
Teddybear, I am very sorry that you have to deal with crap like this when you have enough on your plate already.  Such insensitivity is unbelievable. 

The funny thing is that I knew nothing about this rally except from this site until I received an email from the mom of another fallen soldier. If they want to "advertise" that families of the fallen will be attending, shouldn't they have invited all the families. It's really not that hard to reach us if they use proper channels.
 
Because I live here in Toronto, and it is ending up at Downview Park, which is literally my backyard.  I have heard of it, and the last few days on Facebook people were asking what was happening and they were unable to find out anything from the "Red Friday Foundation" web site.  And DND was threatening to sue them. And wondering while DND is not supporting the event. Now, it all makes sense.  I did post the article on some of the Facebook groups. 
Even here in Toronto there is either little or no signage at the park.  It all makes sense now that people are aware of what's up with the foundation.  Now, I wish I could get a huge billboard and post the Sun article and show the people that are up there thinking that they are supporting the troops that is a for profit, non-charity event.  I think most would be ashamed.
 
There's a "Contact Us" link on the site. I sent this:

"A fun filled day for the entire family"???

WHAT???

"FUN"???

That is ghoulish, crass, tasteless, and offensive.

This is being promoted more like an entertainment event, and that's just sick.

Those that you purport to honour were my colleagues. Some were my friends, and one was the son and brother of friends.

And you are calling this "fun"?

I would like to think that you doing this for the right reasons and just screwing up the execution, but that is not easy to do.

I am revolted.

And the more that I hear from others, the more annoyed I become.
 
I can't fathom a "Fun filled day...." seeing as some of my buddies drove down that road.

Loachman already beat me to it....tasteless in execution.

Regards
 
Regardless of how upsetting and how angry this makes us feel...

PLEASE Let's NOT loose sight of what the REAL Red Friday's Campaign stands for... Support out troops, home and away and their families! Continue to wear your red and show them all we care!
Wear you red LOUD and PROUD...

For those of you who do feel the need to make your concerns known, there is an email link available on the site at redfridays.ca
 
I feel so angered with this "Red Friday Foundation", but all I have to say has already been said, except:  Why is their rally not being held on Friday? Did they want to ensure it was not confused with the real Red Fridays?

I proudly attended the Red Friday Rally in Bridgewater Nova Scotia and sure hope it was not connected to this "Foundation".  That would cheapen the whole event for me.
 
Upon discussion this morning with Lisa (who is now in fact a member of the site known as TSL) and after TWO radio interviews (and the third coming soon), we kind of got to thinking.
The Rally parts of this event are all fine and dandy, we support that part, however the drive is the controversial part. No one, especially the familes of the fallen should have to re create that moment of their lives... they've already had to make that drive once, why in heavens would they want to do that again.

As Canadians who support our troops we should leave that road empty (although we know it's not exactly possible) but it would be like a moment of silence. We shouldn't have a parade of sorts to parade the names of soldiers lost.
It's also VERY dangerous to drive that portion of highway, and so many will not be escorted.. only the procession of 83 red vehicles are going to be escorted, the other 500ish (that they claim to have) are on their own!

Just a few thoughts.
 
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080528/red_rally_080528/20080528/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Procession to honour fallen soldiers angers critics
Updated: Wed May. 28 2008 8:40:53 AM

The Canadian Press

TORONTO — A planned procession of nearly 100 cars and trucks, scheduled to travel from Trenton, Ont., to Toronto this weekend to commemorate the lives of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, has some military families seeing red.

Saturday's event, organized by a group called the Red Fridays Foundation of Canada, will be led by a red Chrysler -- donated by a local dealership -- emblazoned with the names of 83 soldiers killed since 2002.

Another 83 red vehicles, all of them provided by individual supporters, will follow the lead car down the stretch of Ontario freeway dubbed the Highway of Heroes -- the same route taken by the solemn procession that follows the repatriation of a fallen soldier's remains.

"It's a tribute to the men and women who have recently fallen in Afghanistan,'' said event organizer Brian Muntz, who expects about 15 families who have lost loved ones to the war, including some from outside Ontario, to participate.

"This is something to bring support for our troops to the public forefront.''

Muntz said he's encouraging members of the public to participate, and expects as many as 1,000 private vehicles to join the procession.

But the original founders of the Red Fridays movement, which encourages Canadians to support the military by wearing red on the last day of the work week, aren't affiliated with Muntz's group and say some families don't approve of having their loved one's name on the car.

"We support any event for our troops and their families, but we don't believe in a lot of things that are happening in this event,'' said Lisa Miller, a military wife who started Red Fridays along with her friend Karen Boire.

"Like the names that are on the red car without permission. I know that's upset a lot of people.''

The car isn't meant to be an advertisement, Muntz said.

"This car was made to honour those who have fallen,'' he said. "It doesn't say anywhere on the car to give money or anything like that, it says to wear red on Fridays, and that is a non-partisan way to show that we care and we support our troops.''

Muntz said he has received no complaints, but pledged to remove any name from the car if the families wish it.

The car is to be auctioned off after the rally, with proceeds going to a veterans' centre in Toronto. But the car isn't the only problem, say Boire and Miller, who accused Muntz of using their Red Fridays movement and their names without their permission.

"We found out about Brian Muntz and the Red Fridays website about seven months after we had started promoting Red Fridays,'' Miller said.

"We found him because our names were on his site, but we had no idea who he was. We were angry.''

Their names were also being used to solicit financial donations, Boire added. "We have never asked anybody for money, and we don't plan on starting to. Everything we do, we do on our own.''

Muntz later agreed to remove their names from the site after they complained.

However, many people still associate the two women with the Red Fridays Foundation and continue to call with offers to donate, Boire said.

The Red Fridays Foundation is not a registered charity, but Muntz said proceeds from Saturday's event are to be donated to various organizations, including the Canadian Hearing Society, which helps veterans who suffer from hearing loss.

It's not unusual for individuals or businesses to organize patriotic events in Canada, and people shouldn't be upset by it, said military historian Jack Granatstein.

"History should tell us that this has been the way it's been ever since the bond drives during the First World War, when companies took out full-page ads and made it a point to support the victory bond efforts,'' Granatstein said.

"It costs money to organize events of any kind, and a patriotic event spontaneously organized by individuals requires some funding. If a car dealer or a food company or a 'Johnny-on-the-spot' company figures it's important to do something like this, I don't see that it's a bad thing at all.''

The day-long event starts at 9 a.m. with a rally at the Centennial Park Amphitheatre in Trenton, an hour's drive east of Toronto, with the procession scheduled to begin at noon. A rally and military tribute is also scheduled to take place in Toronto.




It's things like this that really make me mad.People putting down others for attempting to honour our fallen.Did someone copyright our dying?Do they have a monopoly on our mornful trip to Toronto?

Shame on original founders of the Red Fridays.Did they not also "borrow" the Red Friday idea from our Brothers and Sisiters to the south?
 
I have no problem with anyone honouring our soldiers AND our fallen in their own personal way.... when it comes from the heart, it shows.

This procession down the Highway of Heroes should be to celebrate all the personnel who have participated on Op Archer AND Rotos 0 thru 4... not just our fallen ( but that's just me)...
 
X-mo-1979 said:
Shame on original founders of the Red Fridays.Did they not also "borrow" the Red Friday idea from our Brothers and Sisiters to the south?

Ok let me clarify something...

First of all, Lisa and I have ALWAYS acknowledged that the original "idea" of wearing red on Friday's began in the US, however upon much research we learned that it was a very political demonstration against the war in iraq.

While we loved the concept of wearing red on Fridays and showing support to our CF members we wanted to remove all political and negative aspects of the original email, therefore Lisa took pride in altering the original in many ways to make a much more positive message as well as personal and canadian.

In all of our public appearances as well as any/all media interviews we have made every attempt to portray this campaign as non partisan/non political, always stating that the original concept began in the US.               
 
So what is the issue with other Canadian civilians wishing to honour our fallen?I understand they did not contact many of the families,but I see it as a good intention.

Things are not free to organise,where does your organisation get it's money?Toronto is full of larger business,thus where they are getting their money.

Having your names removed off his webpage,where he placed it to maybe aid your organisation seems petty.

Congrats for organising Red Fridays to start.However if it wasn't for people like Mr.Green (CFRA) and other civilians far from the base entrances,it wouldn't have become as popular as it is.

IMHO you two do not own the rights to mourning and celebrating our troops.

Again just my opinion.It has Petawawa PMQ wife pettiness written all over it.
 
X-mo-1979 said:
So what is the issue with other Canadian civilians wishing to honour our fallen?I understand they did not contact many of the families,but I see it as a good intention.

Have you read through this whole merged thread?
 
Just did. ;)
And honestly he really should have contacted EVERY NOK period.However the CAV See's him on the up and up,and as he said he would be stupid to try and pull something off like that on such a sensitive,high profile event."Fun filled day"a tad insensitive,however I've seen other rally's with "Music by"...same thing to me.Just poor choice of words.

I think he's on the up and up.And I don't agree with two women from Petawawa representing this country's fallen all the time.Many people around this country have lost son's,and have never been to a Ottawa valley rally.I think if more people like Mr.Muntz were around we could better honour our troop's extended families as well,by bringing red Fridays outside the control of a few people.
 
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