Contractors, contractors, contractors the US uses lots of them for shop maintenance.
The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
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Those aren't actually calculated in that number, as the USAF isn't as addicted to the contract support as the Army, USMC or USN.
When you look at the numbers I pulled from CBO, the indirect PY are your support infrastructure for maintenance etc.
The Squadron size is 353 which is the Pilots, direct maintenance, Operations etc.
The 1,287 is Indirect - which will mean 2nd and 3rd line maintenance, shares of fueling, tankers and other USAF assets to assist in the direct mission, USAF Security Forces for the home base etc.
Overhead is where it gets weird, as there will be a portion of USAF Security Forces for deployed operations, C-17 support for movement, the pay, contracting etc folks who keep the DoD moving etc.
Also when you add up Indirect and Overhead from CBO you will see that there is some tomfoolery in a way, as some units get double counted as they have their own direct unit that is accounted for - but that unit is also used for Indirect and Overhead - to wit, when I started adding PY up I got 207% of the USAF authorized PY
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I would have thought that, in this day and age, we would start to build QRA facilities out of concrete and steel. Maybe partially underground. But what do I know…
does it say that somewhere? I missed that. I would think it would be steel framed for sure. 7500m2 and 15000m2 are big buildings. I wonder whats in store for Cold Lake?
does it say that somewhere? I missed that. I would think it would be steel framed for sure. 7500m2 and 15000m2 are big buildings. I wonder whats in store for Cold Lake?
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meant to quote seakingtacco above
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They’re not that large, TBH.
For comparison, here’s a 50,000m2 hangar at another base…3.5x larger than the largest F-35 facility mentioned.
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The cool kids are just east of there
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more in the sense of building with wood vs steel
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Just a guess but if an adversary can precision strike that deep into our territory, losing a hangar is the least of our problems. Construction a shed sufficient to withstand the yield of aforementioned long range strike might be a challenge. The NORAD 'hole' in North Bay was reportedly designed to take a 4 megaton hit - but its 600' underground.
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Fortunately Russia and Precision Strike don’t go together.
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Considering their facility, I would've thought they'd get first priority. Maybe the announcement will be later.
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Alberta, versus other provinces…
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Nah. The Bagotville QRA is its own project that was started before FFCP was approved. The Cold Lake QRA is part of FFCP or DCFI (can’t remember which). The way Fighter infrastructure is organized at the project level is pretty confusing. The Fighter Squadron Facility (which will house the Squadrons, the Operational Support Squadrons and the Air Maintenance Squadrons) are part of FFCP. The Hangarettes which will house the aircraft themselves are part of DCFI.
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DCFI. There's money from multiple sources floating around - the good news is that the reinvestment into necessary infra to support the fighter fleet domestically is happening.
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15,000 sq meters does not include all the hangarettes that will house the F-35s and where minor maintenance will be conducted. That’s just offices, sims and some specialized maintenance bays. When you include hangarettes, it goes up to 60,000 sq meters or so.
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Go Go fighter community!
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But not a single hangar…
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He’s retired…
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Hangarettes will be hangars for all intents and purposes…
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For those of us not in the loop - what is a 'hangarette"?
