• Thanks for stopping by. Logging in to a registered account will remove all generic ads. Please reach out with any questions or concerns.

The Great Gun Control Debate

Status
Not open for further replies.
Much ado about little. making guns has been easy for generations, except this generation barely knows that machine shops exist and that any machine shop here could churn out a dozen Sten guns a day. When you go to other countries and check out military museums and see the collection of homemade guns you realize just how long this has been going on. There are only 2 real bottlenecks in ammunition and gun manufacturing and I won't be telling in public, lest the anti's get ideas.
 
More from the BBC on the gun made by the 3D printer mentioned in the previous page:

935080_10152492183137588_233682788_n.jpg

922999_10152492183152588_1568700125_n.jpg


A controversial group, which has produced the world’s first fully functioning gun made by a 3D printer, also wants to make the design available online. Cody Wilson from the US group, Defence Distributed which made the gun, says that his plans to make the design available were "about liberty. Anti-gun campaigners have criticised the project. Europe's law enforcement agency said it was monitoring developments.
 
Colin P said:
Much ado about little. making guns has been easy for generations, except this generation barely knows that machine shops exist and that any machine shop here could churn out a dozen Sten guns a day. When you go to other countries and check out military museums and see the collection of homemade guns you realize just how long this has been going on. There are only 2 real bottlenecks in ammunition and gun manufacturing and I won't be telling in public, lest the anti's get ideas.

But not everyone has access to a machine shop and the associated equipment.

3D printers are becoming cheaper every day, and are open source. One simply needs the proper printer files to make the weapon.
 
Colin P said:
Much ado about little. making guns has been easy for generations, except this generation barely knows that machine shops exist and that any machine shop here could churn out a dozen Sten guns a day. When you go to other countries and check out military museums and see the collection of homemade guns you realize just how long this has been going on. There are only 2 real bottlenecks in ammunition and gun manufacturing and I won't be telling in public, lest the anti's get ideas.

cupper said:
But not everyone has access to a machine shop and the associated equipment.

3D printers are becoming cheaper every day, and are open source. One simply needs the proper printer files to make the weapon.

We used to make zip guns, as kids, from a block of wood, a rubber band, nail and a car antennae. Fired .22's. Rudimentary, but they work.

I've seen a lot of guys make black powder guns in their basement also. Bronze sprinkler heads, smelted in the back yard and poured into a clay mold make pretty good barrels ;)

If this guy was serious about his project, he'd upload it to the internet before they pass the amendment to the Bill.
 
Looking at the photo's I'm willing to bet that the pistol grip wasn't made by any 3D photocopier. 
 
The interesting part is that non detectable guns are illegal under US law passed under the Reagan Administration. In order to get around this issue and make an essentially undetectable gun legal, they added a 6 oz steel block in the handle in order to comply with the law.
 
Much ado about nothing.

I can make a gun with a piece of pipe.

The guy is a full blown loon though.
 
Took me the better part of 100 hours in my machine shop to build my Sten gun. 

That said, there were 3 visits to the CFO's office with it along the way.

And, for those concerned, it is a Semi-Auto (Self Loading if you will) ONLY Sten.

With the tools I have now, I suspect it'd probably be more like 50 hours of shop time for "one of" if I tried it again.

Oh yes, registerd, 7.7" barrel...legal...yadayadayada.

NS
 
If you were planning to build an assembly line, you would likely have jigs made up to gain repeatability and reduce the number of setups. i suspect that you could shave quite a few hours off of that if you made more.

From wiki
The Sten used simple stamped metal components and minor welding, which required a minimum of machining and manufacturing. Much of the production could be performed by small workshops, with the firearms assembled at the Enfield site. Over the period of manufacture the Sten design was further simplified: the most basic model, the Mark III, could be produced from five man-hours work. Some of the cheapest versions were made from only 47 different parts. It was distinctive for its bare appearance (just a pipe with a metal loop for a stock), and its horizontal magazine. The Mark I was a more finely finished weapon with a wooden foregrip and handle; later versions were generally more spartan, although the final version, the Mark V, which was produced after the threat of invasion had died down, was produced to a higher standard.
 
So I guess this is happening now;

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Hell+Residents+angry+RCMP+sieze+guns+from+High+River+homes/8588851/story.html

HIGH RIVER — RCMP revealed Thursday that officers have seized a “substantial amount” of firearms from homes in the evacuated town of High River.

“We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control, simply because of what they are,” said Sgt. Brian Topham.

“People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms ... so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe.”

That news didn’t sit well with a crowd of frustrated residents who had planned to breach a police checkpoint northwest of the town as an evacuation order stretched into its eighth day.

“I find that absolutely incredible that they have the right to go into a person’s belongings out of their home,” said resident Brenda Lackey, after learning Mounties have been taking residents’ guns. “When people find out about this there’s going to be untold hell to pay.”

About 30 RCMP officers set up a blockade at the checkpoint, preventing 50 residents from walking into the town. Dozens more police cars, lights on, could be seen lining streets in the town on standby.

Officers laid down a spike belt to stop anyone from attempting to drive past the blockade. That action sent the crowd of residents into a rage.

“What’s next? Tear gas?” shouted one resident.

“It’s just like Nazi Germany, just taking orders,” shouted another.

“This is the reason the U.S. has the right to bear arms,” said Charles Timpano, pointing to the group of Mounties.

Officers were ordered to fall back about an hour into the standoff in order to diffuse the situation and listen to residents’ concerns.

“We don’t want our town to turn into another New Orleans,” said resident Jeff Langford. “The longer that the water stays in our houses the worse it’s going to be. We’ll either be bulldozing them or burning them down because we’ve got an incompetent government.”

Langford blasted High River Mayor Emile Blokland over comments made Wednesday in which Blokland said residents will be allowed to return after businesses, such as hardware and drug stores, are opened.

“It was ridiculous,” said Langford. “I think he’s a puppet on a string.”

Langford said Premier Redford should come to High River to address residents’ concerns and provide information.

“This is at the highest tension,” he said. “What’s going to happen next is that people are just going to be walking across these fields, and I don’t care if they put hundreds of thousand of police officers there, they’re not going to stop from getting in.”

Sgt. Topham said he didn’t know when residents would be allowed to return to their homes. “People much higher up are going to make those decisions,” he said.

He did confirm that officer relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses during the early stages of the flood because of an “urgent need”, said Topham.

Police are no longer forcing themselves into homes and the residences that were forced open will be secured, he said.

Topham said the confiscated firearms have been inventoried and are secured at an RCMP detachment. He was not at liberty to say how many firearms had been confiscated.

“We have seized a large quantity of firearms simply because they were left by residents in their places,” said Topham.

The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added.

Residents promised to returned to the checkpoint at noon every day until they are allowed to return to their homes.

© Copyright (c) The Calgary Heral


Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/Hell+Residents+angry+RCMP+sieze+guns+from+High+River+homes/8588851/story.html#ixzz2XSUqlgGT


I know that personally, I'd be furious. If my home had been affected by the floods, I would have been forced to leave my restricteds here. If I took them with me, I'd probably get charged with unsafe storage, unless I relocated immediately to a range as defined by my ATT.

I'd love to see under what legislation they can force themselves into homes and take property, just because they were left at their homes.
 
"The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership"

There should be no need to prove anything. The police said they are inventoried.

"Here's a gas bill for my house, with my name on it, give me back my shit"

They should also be forced to repair any damage they did breaking in, rummaging around or damaging secure lockups.

I expect this kind of stuff from Ontario.

Not Alberta.

Are they going to break in and take them next time you go on vacation, because you're not home?
 
recceguy said:
There should be no need to prove anything. The police said they are inventoried.

"Here's a gas bill for my house, with my name on it, give me back my shit"

I expect this kind of stuff from Ontario.

Not Alberta.

RCMP are federal, their shenanigans know no provincial boundaries.
 
Kat Stevens said:
RCMP are federal, their shenanigans know no provincial boundaries.

Kat,

I really think it's immaterial exactly what force it is. The fact that they broke into peoples homes, sans warrant and confiscated property without court orders and due process is very disturbing.

Provincial forces will simply say "Well, if the Feds can do it with impunity, so can we."

If I was one of those home owners, I'd be asking where the gold bar was that was next to my confiscated guns in the lockup.

This almost reminds me of the videos of cops, in New Orleans, that were caught on tape looting the department stores after they "evacuated" everyone. ::)
 
recceguy said:
Kat,

I really think it's immaterial exactly what force it is. The fact that they broke into peoples homes, sans warrant and confiscated property without court orders and due process is very disturbing.

Provincial forces will simply say "Well, if the Feds can do it with impunity, so can we."

If I was one of those home owners, I'd be asking where the gold bar was that was next to my confiscated guns in the lockup.

This almost reminds me of the videos of cops, in New Orleans, that were caught on tape looting the department stores after they "evacuated" everyone. ::)

I'm with you 100% RG, just pointing out that those guys don't give a toss where they are, their attitude is the same.
 
recceguy said:
If I was one of those home owners, I'd be asking where the gold bar was that was next to my confiscated guns in the lockup.

No,...........the envelope I always have taped to my barrel with the $2000 emergency money in it.
 
The 4 Crown Royal bags full of silver dollars appears to be missing from my gun safe too....
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top