The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[medicineman]

When machetes are outlawed, only outlaws will have machetes ....

Justice | Province of Manitoba

Province of Manitoba - Justice

www.gov.mb.ca

... with reaction from the expected quarters

ANALYSIS: Manitoba is regulating machetes, could national knife control be next?

Chief Angela Levasseur of the Nisichawayasihk Cree Nation in remote northern Manitoba has a big knife problem. Machetes — foot-long, bush knives popular with campers and farmers — have become the weapon of choice for young gang members terrorizing her 3,500-member reserve.

tnc.news

TAYLOR: Manitoba is regulating machetes, could national knife control be next?

“Over the last two years we have seen a really high level of machete crimes committed by youth and on youth in our community,” says Chief Angela Levasseur from Nelson House, 850 km northwest of Winnipeg. “It’s just too easy for anyone to possess a machete.”

www.westernstandard.news

Legislation & regs attached - Royal Assent was in November, rules took effect end of December.

I understand banning assault machetes'

But why hunting machettes?

Machetes are a big deal up on the Rez's in Northern MB - last place I worked had used to have people get hacked up frequently by the half or full dozen. We had a murder in my community just before Christmas from one...then there were those meth heads in Sask that went on their cutting rampage...

Because even the simplest of machette can be lethal:

Machete (2010 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ironically I have one I use for weeds and brush in and around my garage...I also studied both Kali and Kendo for a bit, Kali in particular as one of the main weapons simulated by your ratan sticks is a bolo - a machete/sword. Can cause a lot of badness even if you don't know what you're doing with them. I do also have a katana and bokken (oak training katana) - the bokken on it's own can and would cause a lot of damage, as it's hard and heavy and your main targets are the head and clavicles...then you can beat the arms and legs to your heart's content if they're still fighting, but with 2 broken collarbones, you might just be fighting the Black Knight at that point...

 

[The Bread Guy]

Thanks for the coal face picture @medicineman - appreciated for the REST of the story.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Good Job RCMP

45 firearms stolen from RCMP since 2014, including grenade launcher

At least 45 firearms have been stolen from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police since 2014, including 33 handguns and a grenade launcher.

www.ctvnews.ca

The numbers quoted in the article are alarming and unacceptable. Especially them losing full auto weapons. From previous convo here, I'm pretty sure the only ones with full auto are ERT and close protection. I stand to be corrected. Point being these are some of the most highly trained RCMP. How do things go missing from these people? I'm still trying to understand how this whole thing can happen. Just how horrible is their security?

Even if my house were a fortress and all my stuff is in safes and locked up, should someone manage to get in and steal my stuff, The crown would still confiscate everything else I had left and charge me and recind my PAL. It doesn't sound like from the article, any of these stolen weapons resulted in charges for the ones responsible for them.

 

[Eaglelord17]

The numbers quoted in the article are alarming and unacceptable. Especially them losing full auto weapons. From previous convo here, I'm pretty sure the only ones with full auto are ERT and close protection. I stand to be corrected. Point being these are some of the most highly trained RCMP. How do things go missing from these people? I'm still trying to understand how this whole thing can happen. Just how horrible is their security?

Even if my house were a fortress and all my stuff is in safes and locked up, should someone manage to get in and steal my stuff, The crown would still confiscate everything else I had left and charge me and recind my PAL. It doesn't sound like from the article, any of these stolen weapons resulted in charges for the ones responsible for them.

Considering we have had police officers literally shoot each other resulting in no charges my faith in the ability of our system to police itself is low.

 

[OldSolduer]

Thanks for the coal face picture @medicineman - appreciated for the REST of the story.

Machetes are a very real concern in "the hood" in Winnipeg - the hood means all of Winnipeg

 

[Halifax Tar]

Considering we have had police officers literally shoot each other resulting in no charges my faith in the ability of our system to police itself is low.

They also shoot up fire stations then speed away facing no discipline.

I feel bad for LEOs it's a tough environment these days but they don't do themselves any favors.

 

[Eaglelord17]

They also shoot up fire stations then speed away facing no discipline.

I feel bad for LEOs it's a tough environment these days but they don't do themselves any favors.

It is a terrible environment for them, you get crapped on by all sides and for 99% of them they are just trying to make this world a better place.

The other side of it is the rule for thee but not for me aspect. Like when that police officer threatened the other one with a gun and didn’t even lose her job when if a average citizen had done the equivalent they would have substantial charges.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Cops have a hard job. I'm not hacking on them. I want to know what kind of system allows for these loses without oversight. I don't know if it would help in these cases, but I've always believed any LEO in contact with firearms should have a PAL course including restricted. I have a hard time extrapolating this to other forces, these were just RCMP stats. How many go missing from other departments to add to this. While I don't expect to hear the discipline handed out to still serving, anything that would have a civilian gun owner before the courts should get the attention it deserves. The old 'justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done' comes to mind.

 

[Haggis]

Cops have a hard job. I'm not hacking on them. I want to know what kind of system allows for these loses without oversight. I don't know if it would help in these cases, but I've always believed any LEO in contact with firearms should have a PAL course including restricted. I have a hard time extrapolating this to other forces, these were just RCMP stats. How many go missing from other departments to add to this. While I don't expect to hear the discipline handed out to still serving, anything that would have a civilian gun owner before the courts should get the attention it deserves. The old 'justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done' comes to mind.

Police and CAF applicants are not required to take the CFSC or CRFSC prior to being hired. CBSA applicants are the only LEOs I'm aware of where this is a condition of employment.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Police and CAF applicants are not required to take the CFSC or CRFSC prior to being hired. CBSA applicants are the only LEOs I'm aware of where this is a condition of employment.

I'm aware of that, it's why I recommended that they take it a term of employment.