The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Colin Parkinson]

 

[Haggis]

I bet if they had banned the already started transfers they would have opened themselves up to lawsuits both on the government failing to due their duty in a reasonable timeframe (I am still waiting on a Webley revolver I purchased several months ago), and from people with the issue of refunds/failing to purchase.

Not at all. Once the ban was announced, it could have been implemented any day, and would have been in force back in May had the Conservatives in SECU supported it. Buyers and sellers took a risk in initiating transfers knowing the ban was imminent.

 

[Haggis]

More so, it’s a winning issue for them. A solid chunk of voting Canadians think guns are bad. And they’ll use that against the CPC if they make it a campaign issue.

If the CPC doesn't make it an election issue the Liberals surely will. They know it's a weak spot in the CPC platform and they will play on Canadian's fear of gun violence and ignorance of current laws.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It's almost like the Liberal government wants to push people towards extremism.

Nah.

I think that they believe that the only people that want guns are the extremists.

More so, it’s a winning issue for them. A solid chunk of voting Canadians think guns are bad. And they’ll use that against the CPC if they make it a campaign issue.

This is a simple attack on a politically opposing segment of the population. If the Liberal party had skin to lose pissing off sport shooters and hunters this would be taking a very different track. Its an easy horse to be drug out and beat for the enjoyment of the unwashed masses.

The knock on, that JT and his ilk also enjoy, is it pushes us farther apart.

 

[Good2Golf]

Not a fan of Mike Moore at all, but Marilyn Manson, is a smart guy and nails it here about those who wish to instill fear and control. Lateral context of school shootings in the US, but the fear and control aspect is fully in line with how the Trudeau government is shaping the demonization of legal gun owners to instill fear in voters to further its own agenda.

 

[Remius]

This is a simple attack on a politically opposing segment of the population. If the Liberal party had skin to lose pissing off sport shooters and hunters this would be taking a very different track. Its an easy horse to be drug out and beat for the enjoyment of the unwashed masses.

The knock on, that JT and his ilk also enjoy, is it pushes us farther apart.

Agree. It’s low hanging fruit that makes people think something is being done.

I’ve said it before. It’s bad legislation that does nothing to solve the real problem.

 

[FSTO]

Marco Mendicino constantly displays absolute obtuseness when it comes to this initiative. As soon as he's asked to back up his claim of greater safety to Canadians with this legislation he falls to talking points that have nothing to do with legal gun owners.

He's actually more of no talent ass clown than his boss.

 

[Remius]

Marco Mendicino constantly displays absolute obtuseness when it comes to this initiative. As soon as he's asked to back up his claim of greater safety to Canadians with this legislation he falls to talking points that have nothing to do with legal gun owners.

He's actually more of no talent ass clown than his boss.

I saw that yesterday on CTV’s Question Period. He launched into crime and such without addressing the question about this punishing legal gun owners.

Also an interesting thing is « does this legislation go far enough? » vs « does this legislation go too far » and you can see what side the person asking is on.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I saw that yesterday on CTV’s Question Period. He launched into crime and such without addressing the question about this punishing legal gun owners.

Also an interesting thing is « does this legislation go far enough? » vs « does this legislation go too far » and you can see what side the person asking is on.

Isn't it up to the media to ask those questions when they make statements like that ?

Ive heard it asked, then the Libs provide a talking point, then the reporter nods and moves on. We need someone to hold their feet to the fire, and press them.

But our MSM is unbiased and effective

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Not to mention this totally screws you from passing on a possibly sizeable chunk of your estate to your survivors, no more 12(7) for you.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Not to mention this totally screws you from passing on a possibly sizeable chunk of your estate to your survivors, no more 12(7) for you.

Don’t forget loss of value for all restricted firearms too. Personally this government has through its indiscriminate attacks on me and my ilk, which it doesn’t even do through parliament and proper votes, has cost me at least 20k in value of property.

 

[OldSolduer]

This is a simple attack on a politically opposing segment of the population. If the Liberal party had skin to lose pissing off sport shooters and hunters this would be taking a very different track. Its an easy horse to be drug out and beat for the enjoyment of the unwashed masses.

The knock on, that JT and his ilk also enjoy, is it pushes us farther apart.

The Liberal Party of the last 8 years is not the Liberal Party of the 60s and 70s. This party is petty, vindictive, tone deaf and caters only to one thing - The Liberal Party of Canada.

 

[Haggis]

Don’t forget loss of value for all restricted firearms too. Personally this government has through its indiscriminate attacks on me and my ilk, which it doesn’t even do through parliament and proper votes, has cost me at least 20k in value of property.

The government assumes that, as the regulations allow for exempted businesses and individuals to purchase your firearms and for the export of your firearms as a means of disposal, that you will not lose any value as those options are available to you and your estate.

They care not that you may have to accept pennies on the dollar when the time comes to sell.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The Liberal Party of the last 8 years is not the Liberal Party of the 60s and 70s. This party is petty, vindictive, tone deaf and caters only to one thing - The Liberal Party of Canada.

Your left out that it hates opposition.

 

[OldSolduer]

Your left out that it hates opposition.

Vindictive covered that I think. But yes you are right.

 

[Good2Golf]

The Liberal Party of the last 8 years is not the Liberal Party of the 60s and 70s. This party is petty, vindictive, tone deaf and caters only to one thing - The Liberal Party of Canada.

Remember back in the day when the Liberals were the ones to work with Uncle Sam to station nukes on Canadian soil? ‘Liberal’ in mis-used name only. Maskarovkic Federal Socialists wouldn’t be a bad descriptor of what they are today…

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The Liberal Party of the last 8 years is not the Liberal Party of the 60s and 70s. This party is petty, vindictive, tone deaf and caters only to one thing - The Liberal Party of Canada.

I would be voting Liberal if they were the party from the 1960's

 

[OldSolduer]

Remember back in the day when the Liberals were the ones to work with Uncle Sam to station nukes on Canadian soil? ‘Liberal’ in mis-used name only. Maskarovkic Federal Socialists wouldn’t be a bad descriptor of what they are today…

Considering PET liked Castro and JT has an admiration for China then this is a perfect descriptor of the LPC - and they are far from "liberal".

 

[Haggis]

SECU is meeting today from 3:30 to 5:30 PM. it is available to watch live on ParlVu.

Scheduled to appear are:
3:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.
As an individual
• LCol (Ret'd) John Schneiderbanger (by videoconference)

Alberta Mounted Shooters Association
• Julie Saretsky, President (by videoconference)

Coalition for Gun Control
• Dr. Wendy Cukier, President (by videoconference)

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4:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m.
As an individual
• Lynda Kiejko, Civil Engineer, Olympian (by videoconference)

International Practical Shooting Confederation
• James Smith, President of the National Range Officers Institute (by videoconference)
• Medha Russell, Athlete, Instructor and Official

 

[Haggis]

Two more SECU meetings today on Bill C-21. The Liberals are eager to ram this through as fast as possible. Once they jump through all the procedural hoops of Committee and Senate reviews, their majority in the HoC will make this law likely by spring.