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Jerry Pournell offers proof that educational standards have declined; publishing a 100 year old school textbook. From instapundit:

FORWARD, INTO THE PAST! Jerry Pournelle republishes a book of stuff sixth graders used to read in school a hundred years ago.

When I was in junior high in the 1970s, I often read the old textbooks from the 1950s, which seemed to be written at a higher level than the ones we were using. When the Insta-Daughter was the same age, she looked at old textbooks from the 1970s, which seemed to be written at a higher level than the ones her classes were using. . . .

http://www.amazon.com/California-Sixth-Grade-Reader-Pournelle-ebook/dp/B00LZ7PB7E/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=ur2&refRID=0360CVK8TWTZXH5YKEF1&tag=insta0c-20&linkId=CFRIIRLAUUE23CS6
 
That's proof enough for you??  I guess when it follows your way of thinking it is.
In case you haven't noticed kids today learn about things that are miles over our heads............evolution, and being left behind, is not a reason to complain about the young 'uns.  The kids are alright...........
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
That's proof enough for you??  I guess when it follows your way of thinking it is.
In case you haven't noticed kids today learn about things that are miles over our heads............evolution, and being left behind, is not a reason to complain about the young 'uns.  The kids are alright...........

I particularly love the "I have a high school diploma from the 60s/70s and that equals a current degree stuff...." 

Outstanding stuff, really, really great comedy....wait it was meant to be comedy right ?
 
Halifax Tar said:
I particularly love the I have a high school diploma from the 60s/70s and that equals a current degree stuff.... 

Outstanding stuff, really really great comedy....wait it was meant to be comedy right ?

I would crap all over my kids for whatever grammar/ structure your post tried to construct and, by the way, English is their second language.
 
I just looked at the Govt. of Ontario job search and I couldn't find where it said University degree or, failing that,  a high school diploma from the "60/70's".    ???
 
I think you missed my sarcasm and facetiousness

I was actually agreeing with you.
 
Well then it was miles over my head.......my bad. :-[


EDIT: You obviously read it more than I did.  My interest waned to a quick skim very, very quickly, hence why I didn't catch your shot at it.
 
It is a pity that the things kids learn that are "miles over our heads" do not negate the need for remedial courses in first year university.
 
Since Canada slavishly follows the trends in the United States, it is instructive to understand where these ideas actually come from and why they were implimented. In this case, we also see the negative uninteded consequences of eliminating "internal" training and testing. (As a BTW, Boeing used to have an internal "apprentiship" program which qualified people to work as engineers, so the ability to do internal training can go to a very high level when there are no regulatory impediments):
(Part 1)

http://spectator.org/articles/60741/how-supreme-court-created-student-loan-bubble#!

How the Supreme Court Created the Student Loan Bubble
It all starts with Griggs v. Duke Power Co.

By Bill McMorris – From the September 2014 issue

Business reporters and talking heads are tripping over themselves to predict the next bubble. It’s the least they can do after so many of them fueled the dot-com and real-estate booms and busts that tanked the economy and robbed millions of Americans of their hard-earned (or at least borrowed) money. Many have identified higher education as the next Big One. College spending has all the makings of an economic bubble: supply that exceeds demand; a market wildly inflated by government intervention; a return on investment on par with a Tulsa, Oklahoma timeshare; art history.

The doomsayer’s case amounts to this: teenagers take tests, score poorly, apply to safety schools, and borrow tens of thousands of dollars to major in Film Studies, guzzle beer, smoke weed, borrow more money, get into cocaine, pawn the Playstation, discover the concept of gender identity, sleep with anyone accordingly, study little, earn high marks and a quarter-million-dollar piece of paper, apply for jobs beyond their qualifications, settle for jobs that reflect their qualifications, default on their student loans, declare bankruptcy, discover that student loans are the only kind of debt that can’t be discharged in bankruptcy, die, and pass on the debt to their heirs, parents, or taxpayers. And you thought fraternity initiations were cruel. 

Yet records for new college enrollment continue apace. Parents, desperately seeking a marquee university bumper sticker to show off to the neighbors, tell their children that college is the ticket to the high life, despite the fact that half of recent graduates are working jobs that do not require a college degree. Politicians bend over backward to boost student loans and keep interest rates artificially low, despite $1 trillion in loans outstanding and default rates that would make Bear Stearns blush. The only thing Americans, Right and Left, seem to agree on is that college is an unquestionable good.

Daring to speak out against the lemming-like charge toward the higher education precipice seems to invite only scorn from reporters in the press, who, like me, are a tad self-conscious about their useless, over-priced, fraudulent, academically bankrupt journalism, communications, gender studies, and poli-sci diplomas.Yet a few men are taking on the challenge. Serial entrepreneur Peter Thiel uses the millions he made from shorting housing to issue $100,000 investments to get promising students out of college and into the marketplace. Mike Rowe, of Dirty Jobs fame, is telling technically minded youths there’s neither shame, nor poverty, in a hard day’s work. Both men should be lauded for their realism about America’s education obsession. But neither Thiel, nor Rowe, nor any college bubble apostle has offered anything but superficial scratches to the well-armored tank that is Big Education. That’s because none has addressed why young Americans are forced to go to college in the first place. Their money and brainpower would be better spent overturning Griggs v. Duke Power Company.

The 1971 Supreme Court decision remains largely unknown, but no ruling of the past forty-five years (except for Roe v. Wade) has done more harm to the American way of life. It changed the way companies hire, pay, and promote workers, ensuring that America would be a country defined by credentials rather than merit. Griggs is why we’re wasting money and time on a dubious good like a B.S. degree—pun intended.

The saga began in 1969 when Willie Griggs, a black man born in the segregated South, decided he was overdue  for a promotion. In order to get one, per Duke Power Electric Company rules, he had to pass two aptitude tests and possess a high school diploma. Griggs smelled racism. The tests surveyed employees on basic math and intelligence questions. None of Duke’s fourteen black workers passed. Griggs and twelve others sued the company for discrimination. A district court and federal appeals court accepted Duke’s claim that the tests were designed to ensure that the plant operated safely. Duke bolstered its case by pointing out that it offered to pay for employees to obtain high school diplomas and that white applicants who failed to meet the requirements were also denied promotions.

The Supreme Court wasn’t buying it. This was North Carolina after all. The court compared the tests to Aesop’s fable of the Fox and the Stork, in which a fox offers a dish full of milk to a stork, whose beak prevents it from satisfying its thirst. The implication that black and white workers were of a different species did not strike any of the justices as racist, unlike the objective tests. Griggs found that if blacks failed to meet a standard at a higher rate than whites the standard itself was racist—a legal doctrine known as disparate impact.

“What is required by Congress is the removal of artificial, arbitrary, and unnecessary barriers to employment when the barriers operate invidiously to discriminate on the basis of racial or other impermissible classification,” Chief Justice Warren Burger wrote in Griggs. “Diplomas and tests are useful servants, but Congress has mandated the common sense proposition that they are not to become masters of reality.” Burger may have intended to free America of bureaucracy, but his decision in fact bestowed that title—“masters of reality”—on college administrators.

Diplomas do little to alter the dynamics of innate ability and intelligence—even less so now that institutions have lowered standards. The knowledge gap between college seniors and freshmen is negligible (see: Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses). Other studies have found that class ranks at graduation closely mirror testing ranks upon matriculation. If businesses could recruit and screen candidates using testing metrics, it would allow workers to begin their careers earlier, advance quicker, and do it debt-free.

The lie that props up our Big Education regime is that the GI Bill, which paid for World War II veterans to attend college, produced the upward mobility and economic boom of the postwar period. It’s a heartwarming story, the veteran who would have been a dust farmer but for the grace of government generosity. But it just isn’t true. Only one out of every eight returning veterans attended college. The rest, the vast majority, benefited from something even more egalitarian: aptitude testing. The format favors raw talent above all else, allowing companies to hire high-potential candidates from any background and groom them to fit the company’s needs.

These tactics came to commerce from a familiar source.The armed services were forced to process hundreds of thousands of recruits during the war, and in order to filter and assign soldiers, the government developed aptitude tests. Businesses witnessed the U.S. defeat the two most efficient peoples known to man, thought there must be something to this whole testing thing, and followed suit. The chief hiring metric in the postwar era was not whether someone had a degree, but whether he had the aptitude that would enable him to succeed. Every industry from blue-blooded high finance to immigrant-heavy manufacturing employed testing to determine who would rise through the ranks, regardless of lineage, heritage, or education. Testing enabled men who set out to be blue-collar workers to ascend based solely on their ability.

Above all, tests are effective.

“Despite their imperfections, tests and criteria such as those at issue in Griggs (which are heavily…dependent on cognitive ability) remain the best predictors of performance for jobs at all levels of complexity,” University of Pennsylvania Professor Amy Wax has found.

 
Part 2

Two years ago I interviewed Den Black, a former automotive engineer at GM supplier Delphi whose pension was slashed to speed up the auto bailout. His backstory interested me nearly as much as his grievance with the Obama administration. A few years before the Supreme Court issued the Griggs decision, he set out to join his brother as a line-worker at General Motors. He hadn’t been the best student, didn’t care much for school, but submitted to the hiring exam. The test revealed that he had an advanced understanding of physics and mathematics. Within a few years, he was given the opportunity to take the entrance exam to General Motors University. After two years at GMU, where he combined shiftwork with education, he emerged an engineer in management. It’s no bachelor’s degree, but judging by the patents he helped generate, it was a worthy investment.

The Griggs decision has made that organic rise through the ranks impossible, as disparate impact left businesses liable for those who failed to pass hiring tests.

“Most legitimate job selection practices, including those that predict productivity better than alternatives, will routinely trigger liability under the current rule,” Wax wrote in a 2011 paper titled “Disparate Impact Realism.”

The solution for businesses post-Griggs was obvious: outsource screening to colleges, which are allowed to weed out poor candidates based on test scores. The bachelor’s degree, previously reserved for academics, doctors, and lawyers, became the de facto credential required for any white-collar job.

By the late 1970s, universities were in crisis mode. The baby boom produced more students than they knew what to do with, but declining birth rates left them with a smaller pool of tuition-paying students. Their new role as the gateway to respectable careers and higher salaries solved that problem. They replaced comprehensive liberal arts education with career-oriented majors that displaced the apprentice, rise-from-the-bottom system that had previously defined the American labor market. Curriculum quality and homework rates plunged, but endowments swelled.

“To keep their mammoth plants financially solvent, many institutions have begun to use hard-sell, Madison Avenue techniques to attract students. They sell college like soap, promoting features they think students want: innovative programs, an environment conducive to meaningful personal relationships, and a curriculum so free that it doesn’t sound like college at all,” academic Caroline Bird noted in her 1975 essay “College Is a Waste of Time and Money.”

Colleges, aware of their newfound utility and the easy money pouring in from student loans and Pell grants, jacked up prices. Education costs, as George F. Will has noted, grew 440 percent in the post-Griggs era. That trend continues today. The Project on Student Debt found that total college loans increased 6 percent annually between 2008 and 2012. The average student today takes out nearly $30,000 in debt to buy a ticket to the good life. They’d be better off taking that money and buying a new Mercedes CLA and faking the good life.

The common sense idea would be to help people avoid this debt altogether. The solution we’ve received from policymakers on both sides of the aisle is to double down, to pour more money into university coffers, and to force more and more kids into an environment for which many are ill-suited. The numbers are daunting for these reluctant fellow travelers. More than three quarters of college freshmen who finished in the bottom 40 percent of their high school class will not graduate in eight years. Four out of ten college enrollees will not graduate in six years. More than 20 percent of graduates defaulted on their loans in the last year, dwarfing the mortgage defaults that spurred the Great Recession. The dropouts lose their ticket to a good job, but get to keep the debt.

No group has been hurt more by this arrangement more than black men, those Griggs was supposed to help. Chief Justice Burger noted in his decisionthatwhites had an innate advantage over black workers because 34 percent of white males in North Carolina had high school diplomas, nearly double that of blacks. The gap remains roughly the same in Bachelor’s degrees today among black and white men, while both groups lag far behind women.

“That so many employers require college diplomas, tacitly or otherwise, means the court decision accomplished very little in blunting biased company hiring practices,” reads a 2011 editorial at the Vault Education blog. “In fact, it’s probably true that it’s only helped make discrimination more rampant. The more the college degree became a standard employee-screening device, the more college degree holders there were vying for jobs of comparable skill level, jobs which weren’t increasing at a equivalent rate. It was really only a matter of time before the bar raised up again, and again, giving employers more factors to discriminate against.”

Which brings us to the next stage of the problem: inflation. The glut of bachelor’s degrees means even the undergraduate diploma is beginning to lose its value. About 17 million college graduates work in fields that don’t require a college diploma. There are 100,000 postal workers, 317,000 waitresses, and 18,000 parking lot attendants with undergraduate degrees. One out of every four bartenders has a diploma, and though they listen to moping for a living, few majored in psychology. Nearly 6,000 janitors have doctorate degrees, like something out of a Twilight Zone Good Will Hunting. College triumphalists brag about the 4.9 percent unemployment rate among graduates—lower than the national average. But, as Ohio University economics Professor Richard Vedder pointed out, that’s triple what it was during the malaise of the 1970s. Workers are acutely aware of the overcredentialing crisis. Nearly 60 percent, including 40 percent of college graduates, told Gallup in 2013 that they do not need a college degree to perform their job. 

The indebted former student is not the only one to suffer under the current arrangement. Research has shown that when graduates flood the unskilled job market they hurt the career prospects of their less-educated neighbors. The Ph.D, janitor waiting on the sale of his Great American Novel has displaced a worker without the résumé needed to get any other job. Consider how the gap between high-school and college wages has grown. The 1972 census estimated that over the course of their working lives (ages 22 to 64), college graduates would net $199,000 more than high school graduates. By the late 1970s, college graduates earned 55 percent more per year than their high school counterparts. The gap shot up to 85 percent in 2012. Fear of litigation plays a role. A company that pays based solely on performance could find itself rewarding the “wrong” person. A compensation manager at a leading technology firm told me that an engineer fresh from graduate school simply has to be paid more than a self-made engineer—the Den Black who learned the business over a twenty-year career, rising from basic laborer to accomplished engineer on his own merit. “There’s too much risk in paying a guy without a diploma more even if he is a better contributor,” she said. “God forbid the college graduate is a woman or a minority: They can sue you and claim that they were paid less because of discrimination, so we designed a system to pay people for their education, not their job.” Thus the credential becomes a force of downward mobility for the educated and uneducated alike.

The up-by-your-bootstraps mantra of America wasn’t killed by businessmen; it was killed by the lawmakers and regulators who made the diploma into the bootstrap. So why are the same politicians and pundits who condemn inequality zealously defending credentialism?

Well, for one thing, there’s money in disparate impact for the Department of Labor.

“Essentially it’s a revenue machine for the DoL,” Keith Gutstein, a labor and employment partner at a law firm in Woodbury, New York, said of new federal wage discrimination laws. “In recent years the DoL has started to insist on CMPs—civil money penalties—and that money goes to the government.”

President Obama’s Labor Secretary, Tom Perez, acknowledged this at a confirmation hearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions Committee. He came under fire from the GOP for orchestrating a quid pro quo with the city of St. Paul, Minnesota, to prevent a case that threatened to overturn disparate impact from reaching the Supreme Court. Perez’s deal potentially cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. Republicans ripped him to pieces for being a poor steward of taxpayer money. The committee chairman, Iowa’s Senator Tom Harkin, stepped in to save him.

“Isn’t it true that applying disparate impact principle, the [Justice Department’s] Civil Rights Division under your leadership has reached settlements totaling over $600 million?” Harkin said.

“Yes, sir,” Perez replied.

The government has made it so that you cannot be paid based on your individual performance. Businesses need to craft ever more narrow metrics that lump all employees together by education, job title, race, gender, sexual orientation, and whatever aggrieved labels politicians award with protected status next. Your negotiations with the company will not reflect your impact on the bottom-line, but your impact on the payroll. MIT summa cum laude or record sales growth may be a big deal where you come from, but in the business world it won’t mean a thing if your salary brings white males too far ahead of the demographics Democrats treat like endangered species.

Workers already suspect that meritocracy no longer governs America’s economy—more than half of respondents to a 2011 Yahoo Finance survey said “office politics” was responsible for how people are promoted, double those who said hard work. And when they say office politics, they’re referring to the illegitimate monarchy installed by government regulations that rewards the man who waltzes into a company with documents that trace his educational bloodline to Yale or Harvard, a lineage that makes him the rightful heir to the management throne. The company obliges, breeding distrust among the workforce.

Not only does the credentialing system undermine office comity, it’s bad for business, too. A number of critics cited the MBA as a chief culprit for the housing bubble and stock market crash. Forty percent of graduates from elite business schools went into finance, rather than traditional businesses, at the time of the crash. They brought the formulas that dazzled in Harvard Business School to Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns. Those equations never failed in college.

Academics called for more business ethics courses. In the wake of the crash, think tanks said admissions committees should screen out narcissists. Investors said there should be a renewed focus on risk management. Occupy Wall Street called for guillotines.

I’m with Occupy. Occupy thought the problem was the golden parachute, but the most gilded aspect of the advanced degree isn’t the sizable severance check; it’s the access and employment guarantees that come with the graduation cap.

The Supreme Court could resolve many of these issues by beheading disparate impact and the diploma-as-credential.  Does Wall Street need humble, ethical young men and women? Then give them tests, start them at the bottom, and let them earn their way up based on merit. Want to teach risk management? Pull students out of the classroom goldfish bowl and put them in the real world.

The real world doesn’t operate in idealized, rational markets. If it did, no one would go to college.
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from The New York Times is an opinion piece by Nicholas Kristof (a columnist who is hard to pigeonhole as 'left' or 'right') that touches on Thucydides' last posts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-the-american-dream-is-leaving-america.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad&_r=0
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The American Dream Is Leaving America

Nicholas Kristof

OCT. 25, 2014

THE best escalator to opportunity in America is education. But a new study underscores that the escalator is broken.

We expect each generation to do better, but, currently, more young American men have less education (29 percent) than their parents than have more education (20 percent).

Among young Americans whose parents didn’t graduate from high school, only 5 percent make it through college themselves. In other rich countries, the figure is 23 percent.

The United States is devoting billions of dollars to compete with Russia militarily, but maybe we should try to compete educationally. Russia now has the largest percentage of adults with a university education of any industrialized country — a position once held by the United States, although we’re plunging in that roster.

These figures come from the annual survey of education from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, or O.E.C.D., and it should be a shock to Americans.

A basic element of the American dream is equal access to education as the lubricant of social and economic mobility. But the American dream seems to have emigrated because many countries do better than the United States in educational mobility, according to the O.E.C.D. study.

As recently as 2000, the United States still ranked second in the share of the population with a college degree. Now we have dropped to fifth. Among 25-to-34-year-olds — a glimpse of how we will rank in the future — we rank 12th, while once-impoverished South Korea tops the list.

A new Pew survey finds that Americans consider the greatest threat to our country to be the growing gap between the rich and poor. Yet we have constructed an education system, dependent on local property taxes, that provides great schools for the rich kids in the suburbs who need the least help, and broken, dangerous schools for inner-city children who desperately need a helping hand. Too often, America’s education system amplifies not opportunity but inequality.

My dad was a World War II refugee who fled Ukraine and Romania and eventually made his way to France. He spoke perfect French, and Paris would have been a natural place to settle. But he felt that France was stratified and would offer little opportunity to a penniless Eastern European refugee, or even to his children a generation later, so he set out for the United States. He didn’t speak English, but, on arrival in 1951, he bought a copy of the Sunday edition of The New York Times and began to teach himself — and then he worked his way through Reed College and the University of Chicago, earning a Ph.D. and becoming a university professor.

He rode the American dream to success; so did his only child. But while he was right in 1951 to bet on opportunity in America rather than Europe, these days he would perhaps be wrong. Researchers find economic and educational mobility are now greater in Europe than in America.

That’s particularly sad because, as my Times colleague Eduardo Porter noted last month, egalitarian education used to be America’s strong suit. European countries excelled at first-rate education for the elites, but the United States led the way in mass education.

Then the United States was the first major country, in the 1930s, in which a majority of children attended high school. By contrast, as late as 1957, only 9 percent of 17-year-olds in Britain were in school.

Until the 1970s, we were pre-eminent in mass education, and Claudia Goldin and Lawrence Katz of Harvard University argue powerfully that this was the secret to America’s economic rise. Then we blew it, and the latest O.E.C.D. report underscores how the rest of the world is eclipsing us.

In effect, the United States has become 19th-century Britain: We provide superb education for elites, but we falter at mass education.

In particular, we fail at early education. Across the O.E.C.D., an average of 70 percent of 3-year-olds are enrolled in education programs. In the United States, it’s 38 percent.

In some quarters, there’s a perception that American teachers are lazy. But the O.E.C.D. report indicates that American teachers work far longer hours than their counterparts abroad. Yet American teachers earn 68 percent as much as the average American college-educated worker, while the O.E.C.D. average is 88 percent.

Fixing the education system is the civil rights challenge of our era. A starting point is to embrace an ethos that was born in America but is now an expatriate: that we owe all children a fair start in life in the form of access to an education escalator.

Let’s fix the escalator.


Let's, indeed, "fix the escalator," but let's make sure, first, that it's headed to someplace we want need to go ... let's fix the right escalator.

Richard Haas, tweeted, in response to Mr Kristol's column, ".@NickKristof on why making quality education available to all is key to reducing inequality-& why America is failing". There is one key word in Dr Haas' brief tweet that is missing in Mr Kristof's column and in the sources he cites: "quality."

Going back a few years decades centuries, education, beyond enough "readin' and writin'" to understand one's bible (the reason John Knox introduced universal elementary into Scotland in the 16th century) and keep a simple account book (the reason all those Hudson's Bay Company factors were Scots in the 17th and 18th centuries) was, indeed, the purview of the elites and it was a very general (liberal arts) education ~ heavy on philosophy and the classics and theology. Doctors, lawyers and engineers were trained, rather then being educated, as skilled practitioners ~ they didn't need to be 'gentlemen' or, therefore, 'educated.' That changed in the 19th century when we put a premium on certification ~ but some professions, most notably, medicine and the law, never bought, wholly, into the notion that one could learn to be a doctor or a lawyer in a university: that's why we still require MDs to do internships and residencies and why law school graduates must "article" before attempting the bar exam. It's also why engineers, for example, require a second level of certification, by their professional associations, before being "professional engineers." (I know, I know, many people think the professions are little better than trade unions, protecting a 'closed shop,' and there is, certainly, some truth in that ~ but there is more truth in the notion that the professions don't quite trust the universities.)

In the 20th century we moved even farther down the certification path: faculties like commerce (and the MBA), education and journalism were allowed to create academic disciplines from what are, essentially, crafts.

But there as a problem that became evident in the 1950s and '60s in America: the American public education system did not, because it could not, prepare everyone for university. But the US equivalent of our Laurentian elites demanded rigid adherence to the principle of equality and when blacks and white 'succeeded' at different rates they took it as being self-evident that a lack of equality was the problem ... and they were, largely, right. Elementary and secondary education were not, and still are not, anything like "equal" in quality in the US or Canada. There are a whole host of social and economic reasons for that - ranging from income inequality (higher income people tend to live in defined neighbourhoods and they pay higher taxes for better schools) to less tractable social problems (well educated parents have books in the home, they 'value' education and help their children succeed; low income people often cannot do either) - and throwing money at e.g. inner city schools didn't help (because of the social problems, putting lipstick on am pig, etc).

The solution was to pass almost everyone into university ... where, quelle surprise!, a huge slice of the freshman intake failed.

The solution to that problem was to create programmes that anyone could pass and, thereby, earn a BA; programmes like: Afro-American Studies, Women’s, Gender, & Sexuality Studies, Journalism, Gastronomy, Emerging media studies (all those were taken from the web site of a 'high quality' US university which ranks in the top 100 of some "Top World University" lists). I'm sorry but graduating with any of those degrees does NOT equate to being educated.

Our universities can and should serve two functions:

    1. Provide a broad, general education ~ which will, I'm afraid, be of most 'use' to the elites, but are also excellent 'foundation' programmes for teachers; and

    2. Provide specialized educations to prepare people to enter several skilled occupations: scientists, obviously, doctors and lawyers (and theologians), too, and engineers and accountants and so on;
        whatever the real market demands.

Most young people in Canada and the USA do not need a university education. Most useful skills can be learned on the job (apprenticeship or just starting to the bottom) of in a local 'community college.'

University is valuable ... and expensive. It is too valuable to be wasted on the majority of the young people who are there right now.
 
Google moves back towards the idea of aptitude testing vs credentialism in order to identify the best candidates:

http://qz.com/180247/why-google-doesnt-care-about-hiring-top-college-graduates/?utm_source=fb1205_5

Why Google doesn’t care about hiring top college graduates
Max Nisen
February 24, 2014

Google has spent years analyzing who succeeds at the company, which has moved away from a focus on GPAs, brand name schools, and interview brain teasers. 

In a conversation with The New York Times’ Tom Friedman, Google’s head of people operations, Laszlo Bock, detailed what the company looks for. And increasingly, it’s not about credentials.

Graduates of top schools can lack “intellectual humility”

Megan McArdle argued recently that writers procrastinate “because they got too many A’s in English class.” Successful young graduates have been taught to rely on talent, which makes them unable to fail gracefully.

Google looks for the ability to step back and embrace other people’s ideas when they’re better. “It’s ‘intellectual humility.’ Without humility, you are unable to learn,” Bock says. “Successful bright people rarely experience failure, and so they don’t learn how to learn from that failure.”

Those people have an unfortunate reaction, Bock says:

“They, instead, commit the fundamental attribution error, which is if something good happens, it’s because I’m a genius. If something bad happens, it’s because someone’s an idiot or I didn’t get the resources or the market moved. … What we’ve seen is that the people who are the most successful here, who we want to hire, will have a fierce position. They’ll argue like hell. They’ll be zealots about their point of view. But then you say, ‘here’s a new fact,’ and they’ll go, ‘Oh, well, that changes things; you’re right.’”

People that make it without college are often the most exceptional

Talent exists in so many places that hiring managers who rely on a few schools are using it as a crutch and missing out. Bock says:
“When you look at people who don’t go to school and make their way in the world, those are exceptional human beings. And we should do everything we can to find those people.”

Many schools don’t deliver on what they promise, Bock says, but generate a ton of debt in return for not learning what’s most useful. It’s an “extended adolescence,” he says.

Learning ability is more important than IQ

Succeeding in academia isn’t always a sign of being able to do a job. Bock has previously said that college can be an “artificial environment” that conditions for one type of thinking. IQ is less valuable than learning on the fly, Bock says:

“For every job, though, the No. 1 thing we look for is general cognitive ability, and it’s not IQ. It’s learning ability. It’s the ability to process on the fly. It’s the ability to pull together disparate bits of information. We assess that using structured behavioral interviews that we validate to make sure they’re predictive.”

A behavioral interview, in contrast with those that ask people to figure out how many tennis balls fit into a tennis court, might ask how you’ve reacted to a particularly difficult problem in the past. They can also help find people who fit the company’s definition of leadership. It’s not about leading a club at school or an impressive prior title, Bock says, but the ability to step up and lead when it’s necessary.

 
Student loan debt in both Canada and the US is something many graduates have acquired recklessly...to the point that some end up living in a car or on the streets with 150K in debt after dabbling in different courses they can't decide on.

Business Insider

Mark Cuban Warns A Housing Bubble-Like Crash Is Coming To The Student Loan Business
By Myles Udland | Business Insider – Thu, 25 Dec, 2014 11:05 AM EST

Mark Cuban thinks colleges are going to go out of business.
In a clip on Inc.com , Cuban talks about the student loan bubble, which he says will burst and end badly for colleges.
The end of the student loan bubble, Cuban says, will be like the housing bubble, where tuition collapses the way the price of homes collapsed.
These collapses will put colleges out of business.
Cuban:
"It's inevitable at some point there will be a cap on student loan guarantees. And when that happens you're going to see a repeat of what we saw in the housing market: when easy credit for buying or flipping a house disappeared we saw a collapse in the price housing, and we're going to see that same collapse in the price of student tuition, and that's going to lead to colleges going out of business."

(...SNIPPED)
 
Thank God my kids are focused and funded. It's worth having them at home so that they graduate debt free. Of course I had the foresight to start saving for their education from the moment they were born.
 
While an American example, this is relevant to the discussion. Looking at the books my own children were required to read generates a similar list, and that means many of the issues are the same as well. I have tried to find similar discussions about Canadian educational changes, but there does not seem to be a systematic discussion about this (not to say there isn't, but I haven't discovered it yet):

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/education-2/middle-school-reading-lists-100-years-ago-vs-today-show-how-far-american-educational-standards-have-declined

Middle School Reading Lists 100 Years Ago vs. Today Show How Far American Educational Standards Have Declined
BY JASON W. STEVENS - 505 COMMENTS · IN EDUCATION

There’s a delightful and true saying, often attributed to Joseph Sobran, that in a hundred years, we’ve gone from teaching Latin and Greek in high school to teaching remedial English in college.

Now comes even more evidence of the steady decline of American educational standards.

Last year, Annie Holmquist, a blogger for better-ed.org, discovered a 1908 curriculum manual in the Minnesota Historical Society archives that included detailed reading lists for various grade levels.

According to her research, the recommended literature list for 7th and 8th graders in Minnesota in 1908 included the following:

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And also according to her research, the recommended literature list for 7th and 8th graders in Minnesota in 2014 (at one of the area’s finest districts, Edina Public Schools) included the following:

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What’s most interesting, however, is Ms. Holmquist’s very thoughtful analysis of the results.

From better-ed.org:

In examining these lists, I noticed three important differences between the reading content of these two eras:

1. Time Period

One of the striking features of the Edina list is how recent the titles are. Many of the selections were published in the 21st century. In fact, only four of the selections are more than 20 years old.

In comparison, over half of the titles on the first list were at least 20 years old in 1908, with many of them averaging between 50 to 100 years old.

Older is not necessarily better, but the books on the first list suggest that schools of the past were more likely to give their students time-tested, classic literature, rather than books whose popularity may happen to be a passing fad.

This observation probably rings true for many students and parents of students today. I keep a pretty good eye on regular high school and college reading lists. Although the occasional older “classic” makes an appearance now and again, I’ve been surprised to find how many teachers actually assign Harry Potter, the Twilight series, Stephen King, and The Hunger Games for classroom reading.

And when I ask these teachers WHY those books are selected, the answer is always the same: Because those are the books that are popular today. There’s a greater likelihood that the student will want to do the reading and enjoy it as well.

The result, of course, is that Shakespeare, Austen, Dickens, Dostoevsky, and Chaucer are relegated to the trash-heap. In school, students are reading the same books they would read at home (if they read at all), and thus never encounter the classics because they lack good help from a good teacher.

Good teachers do not assign Twilight.

More from better-ed.org:

2. Thematic Elements

A second striking difference between the two book lists are the themes they explore. The first is full of historical references and settings which stretch from ancient Greece (Tanglewood Tales) to the Middle Ages (Harold, Last of Saxon Kings) to the founding of America (Courtship of Miles Standish). Through highly recognized authors such as Longfellow, Stevenson, Kipling, and Dickens, these titles introduce children to a vast array of themes crucial to understanding the foundations upon which America and western civilization were built.

The Edina list, however, largely deals with modern history, particularly hitting on many current political and cultural themes such as the Taliban (The Breadwinner), cloning, illegal immigrants, the drug war (The House of the Scorpion), and deeply troubled youth (Touching Spirit Bear). In terms of longstanding, classic authors, Mark Twain and Ray Bradbury are the only ones who stand out.
It’s good for children to understand the world in which they live, but as with any area in life, you can have too much of a good thing. A continual focus on modern literature narrows the lens through which children can view and interpret the world. Would it not be better to broaden their horizons and expose them to a balance of both old and new literature?
To summarize the point, American students are not being taught about America.

University students who major in social studies education are not being taught about America.

I’ve talked to several of these types of students who want to teach American history at the middle school or high school level. So, these are our future teachers. And I always ask the same question: When was the American Revolution?

Usually, I am met with dumb stares. Hardly any of them answer correctly: 1775-1783. This is because, for the most part, students who will eventually be teaching American history are not required to take a class on the American Founding. Again, these are our future teachers.

Finally, Ms. Holmquist makes one final observation:

3. Reading Level

Many of the books on the Edina list use fairly simple, understandable language and vocabulary familiar to the modern reader. Consider the first paragraph of Nothing But the Truth:

Coach Jamison saw me in the hall and said he wanted to make sure I’m trying out for the track team!!!! Said my middle school gym teacher told him I was really good!!!! Then he said that with me on the Harrison High team we have a real shot at being county champs. Fantastic!!!!!! He wouldn’t say that unless he meant it. Have to ask folks about helping me get new shoes. Newspaper route won’t do it all. But Dad was so excited when I told him what Coach said that I’m sure he’ll help.

On the other hand, consider the first paragraph of Longfellow’s Evangeline:

“This is the forest primeval. The murmuring pines and the hemlocks,
Bearded with moss, and in garments green, indistinct in the twilight,
Stand like Druids of eld, with voices sad and prophetic,
Stand like harpers hoar, with beards that rest on their bosoms.
Loud from its rocky caverns, the deep-voiced neighboring ocean
Speaks, and in accents disconsolate answers the wail of the forest.”


The first example uses simple words and a casual sentence structure, while the second uses a rich vocabulary and a complex writing format. Naturally, some might look at the second selection and say, “Good grief! How do you expect a child to understand that?!?”

But that’s the whole point. Unless we give our students challenging material to dissect, process, and study, how can we expect them to break out of the current poor proficiency ratings and advance beyond a basic reading level?

This, I think, is Ms. Holmquist’s most important point: Our children are not being taught how to read, which really means they are not being taught how to think.

Even classic works written in their native language–English–often appear to students like a second language. This is because they have never been challenged before.

And I sympathize.

The first time I read Hamlet, for example, I filled my book’s margins with notes and scribbles, none of which had anything to do with actually thinking about the book. I was struggling even to keep up with Shakespeare’s plot.

In other words, I had to teach myself how to read before I could even begin the much more difficult task of learning how to think.

Our students are simply not learning these skills in school.

What do you think?

Are these major problems for our students today? Is Ms. Holmquist on to something with her research and analysis? Or was Hamlet’s mother, the Queen, correct when she said: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
 
Well the results are in, and it isn't pretty. We shold not be preening, since much of our educational agenda and methodology is imported from the US. I'm sure the Premier of Ontario is going to push a real STEM, problem solving and language education plans with the same determination she is going to push the new sex education agenda </sarc>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/02/u-s-millennials-post-abysmal-scores-in-tech-skills-test-lag-behind-foreign-peers/?hpid=z4

U.S. millennials post ‘abysmal’ scores in tech skills test, lag behind foreign peers
By Todd C. Frankel March 2 

There was this test. And it was daunting. It was like the SAT or ACT -- which many American millennials are no doubt familiar with, as they are on track to be the best educated generation in history -- except this test was not about getting into college. This exam, given in 23 countries, assessed the thinking abilities and workplace skills of adults. It focused on literacy, math and technological problem-solving. The goal was to figure out how prepared people are to work in a complex, modern society.

And U.S. millennials performed horribly.

That might even be an understatement, given the extent of the American shortcomings. No matter how you sliced the data – by class, by race, by education – young Americans were laggards compared to their international peers. In every subject, U.S. millennials ranked at the bottom or very close to it, according to a new study by testing company ETS.

“We were taken aback,” said ETS researcher Anita Sands. “We tend to think millennials are really savvy in this area. But that’s not what we are seeing.”

The test is called the PIAAC test. It was developed by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, better known as the OECD. The test was meant to assess adult skill levels. It was administered worldwide to people ages 16 to 65. The results came out two years ago and barely caused a ripple. But recently ETS went back and delved into the data to look at how  millennials did as a group. After all, they’re the future – and, in America, they're poised to claim the title of largest generation from the baby boomers.

U.S. millennials, defined as people 16 to 34 years old, were supposed to be different. They’re digital natives. They get it. High achievement is part of their makeup. But the ETS study found signs of trouble, with its authors warning that the nation was at a crossroads: “We can decide to accept the current levels of mediocrity and inequality or we can decide to address the skills challenge head on.”

The challenge is that, in literacy, U.S. millennials scored higher than only three countries.

In math, Americans ranked last.

In technical problem-saving, they were second from the bottom.

“Abysmal,” noted ETS researcher Madeline Goodman. “There was just no place where we performed well.”

But surely America’s brightest were on top?

Nope. U.S. millennials with master’s degrees and doctorates did better than their peers in only three countries, Ireland, Poland and Spain. Those in Finland, Sweden and Japan seemed to be on a different planet.

Top-scoring U.S. millennials – the 90th percentile on the PIAAC test – were at the bottom internationally, ranking higher only than their peers in Spain. The bottom percentile (10th percentile) also lagged behind their peers. And the gap between America’s best and worst was greater than the gap in 14 other countries. This, the study authors said, signaled America’s high degree of inequality.

The study called into question America’s educational credentialing system. While few American test-takers lacked a high school degree, the United States didn’t perform any better than countries with relatively high rates of failing to finish high school. And our college graduates didn’t perform well, either.

ETS researchers tried looking for signs of promise – especially in math skills, which they considered a good sign of labor market success. They singled out native-born Americans. Nope. They tried native-born Americans with at least one college graduate parent – a big group when compared to other countries. That didn’t work. They looked at race – white and Asian Americans did better, but still fell behind similar top performers in other countries and below the OECD average.

The ETS study noted that a decade ago the skill level of American adults was judged mediocre. “Now it is below even that.” So Millennials are falling even further behind.

“It doesn’t seem like it’s going to get better if we stay on the road we’re on,” Goodman said.
 
I can't say I'm surprised. When I was in Uni in the 90s, a lot of the people I knew that came from Greece to study in Engineering were at least a year ahead in their math skills. Then we had the dumb @ass reforms that stopped grading and failing our poor little sensitive kids.
Reap what you sow.
 
I'm not surprised by this either. Knowing how to press buttons with software and apps that are specifically designed to make things easier is hardly tech savvy, nor is it multitasking. The only tech savvy persons are the ones designing the software (and even that is getting easier), not the ones using it.

How many of you old farts have been told by their kids and grand kids that they are out of date and technologically challenged, only to have those same kids beg them for help when something goes wrong?  :facepalm:   

I don't care if Einstein said this or not, it certainly applies.



 
 
GnyHwy said:
How many of you old farts have been told by their kids and grand kids that they are out of date and technologically challenged, only to have those same kids beg them for help when something goes wrong?  :facepalm:   
I know "anecdote" isn't the singular for "data", but a few months ago, when my fave bulk food store's point of sale/cash register unit crapped out (around Xmas, the busy baking season), the teenager said s/he couldn't even do the math on a calculator.  YMMV
 
milnews.ca said:
I know "anecdote" isn't the singular for "data", but a few months ago, when my fave bulk food store's point of sale/cash register unit crapped out (around Xmas, the busy baking season), the teenager said s/he couldn't even do the math on a calculator.  YMMV


Seen that happen as well. Computer till was down and I handed over a twenty and the exact change.....screwed the kid right up, she could not do the math in her head.



Cheers
Larry
 
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