The C7 Assault Rifle, M16, & AR15 family (C7A1, C7A2, C7 replacment, and C7 vs M16)

[Evan]

I dont know to much about the honor guard in ottawa, but im guessing that they would keep the origanil c7 due to it looking more for dress then the c7a2, could this be correct?

 

[D-n-A]

hawain_light, thats the Governor General Foot Guards

Honor Guard is a US thing I believe.


I heard that the reserves will get the C7A2, but wont be for awhile.

 

[Redeye]

D-n-A, that‘s the Ceremonial Guard, actually. It‘s composed of members of the Governor-General‘s Food Guards (garrisoned at Cartier Square Drill Hall in Ottawa), and of the Canadian Grenadier Guards from Montreal. Both units accept attached members to fill all the CG line serials in the summer.

 

[D-n-A]

Ah, I stand corrected. So the GGFG only has members in the CG during the summer?

I read an article about 5 recruits who joined the GGFG an it sounded like they were the only unit that did that.

 

[Evan]

"that‘s the Ceremonial Guard, actually. It‘s composed of members of the Governor-General‘s Food Guards (garrisoned at Cartier Square Drill Hall in Ottawa), and of the Canadian Grenadier Guards from Montreal. Both units accept attached members to fill all the CG line serials in the summer."- Redeye

thank you, that clears up two questions i was about to ask

 

[Doug VT]

We‘ll have to turn in our old rifles to get upgraded first. You‘ll send in your units C7‘s and get someone else‘s back. It‘s not like were getting a whole new rifle. I would imagine that the reserves will be last on the list, same as when we got the upgrade to the Elcan(flat top upper receivers)
It would be nice to have a better sight. The Elcan may be pretty tough physically, but it‘s zero is easily lost.

 

[Redeye]

How long did the exchange to flat-top upper receivers take? I imagine the C7A2 upgrade would entail about the same amout of time. I wonder if they‘re getting new uppers entirely again or if the front sight rails are just being retrofitted...

 

[Canadian Patriot]

Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone has been to the new Diemaco website and seen a picture of the C7A2? (http://www.diemaco.com/ -no direct link to the C7A2...you‘ll have to navigate on your own) The magazine shown fitted to it has some sort of loop on the bottom of it, and I was wondering if anybody knows what its for? It seems kinda stupid if its to hook on to webbing or a belt or something...especially leaving the rounds exposed and hanging out at the bottom...And if anybody knows exactly what its for, does the CF actually use them? I havn‘t seen any yet (but then again I just started my BMQ about a month and a half ago)

 

[Redeye]

That‘s a device called a "Magpull" designed to allow the magazine to be easily removed from a pouch and or attached to webbing, carabiners, etc. They‘re not used by the CF, though I have seen some people adding loops of paracord to the bottom of a mag for the same purpose. That system isn‘t a bad idea except the loop should be rotated 90degrees to be more effective for stacking on a carabiner. Even so, it seems not really necessary, most people just through empty mags down their shirt on an attack and sort it out on consolidation.

 

[D-n-A]

I‘ve seen a fair bit of americans with these home made magpulls while their on operation

 

[SteelMag]

Hey im new to the forum, whats up guys?

Anyways, I know that the CAF uses the C7 and C7A1 series of rifles right now. Im just wondering if they give everyone the optical sights or do the majority of soldiers get iron sights (ie, carrying handle) on their issued rifles. Most of the photos i have seen of Canadian soldiers seem to have C7A1 rifles with a scope on them.

Also whats the difference between the C7 and the M-16A2 used by the US?. I know that the US one has 3-round burst instead of full auto like the C7. But are there any other differences??

 

[AlphaCharlie]

All C7A1 rifles come with the optical zoom. None of our rifles use iron sights or have a carrying handle.

The C7 is basically an M16 with a few minor changes such as fire rate (m16 has burst, c7 has full auto), the C7 has a spent casing deflector for lefties on it, C7 has a x3.5 zoom while M16 uses iron sights.

Those are the only major differences. Infact, I think those are the only ones.

 

[stukirkpatrick]

er...the C7 is still in use, thats the version without the ELCAN sight. Its what reg force people learn first on basic training, while all reservists go straight to the A1, I think.

 

[SteelMag]

Thanks for the answers!

But why would you train the reserve with optical sights exclusivly?. Wouldnt it be a better idea to train with iron sights because you could transfer that training to pretty well any other rifle you could find (they are not all the same but lining up the sights is useful to know how to do).

And what about these new C7A2 ive been hearing about. Any of them around?

 

[48Highlander]

the C7A2 is still not in active service.

the C7 with the iron sights isn‘t used any more, so why train people on it? anyone can figure out how to line up an iron sight, and when they learn to use the c6 and 9mm they‘ll get a class on it anyway.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Comparing the C7 and M16 has been covered a few times, a search of all open forum on the terms "C7 M16" gives 39 results. These may include the information you seek:

http://army.ca/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/4/277?

http://army.ca/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/21/65

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http://army.ca/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/20/7?

http://army.ca/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/277

http://army.ca/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/627

If you want to look for other relevant threads, try the Search button in the upper right of the page.

 

[axeman]

the C7 is still used here and there in the regs in 3 BN PPCLIU in the line companies you used to have your choice of scoped or unscoped.

 

[kruger]

The Elcan optical scope is quite lovely, accurate and rugged. The americans have adopted it for operations in the Middle East, I saw it being mounted on M249 SAW‘s.
Has anybody seen it being used on M240B or M240G machine guns in US service? And would it be possible to do the same and place it on our C6‘s?

 

[AlphaCharlie]

scopes on machine guns is pretty pointless.

 

[kruger]

So why is it installed on the C9A1, which is classified as an LMG?