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Terrorist Assaults on France (Jan 2015) - Charlie Hebdo, Executed Police, Gun Fights and Hostage Tak

George Wallace said:
Thought you already lived out in the bush?

How far out do you think you have to go to escape this stupidity?

I actually have neighbours well within rifle range, too damn close.  There's a whole lot more nothing north of me than there is stuff.  Plenty of room.
 
France has created a breeding ground for this sort of thing, and it will be a long and challenging job to dismantle both the physical place and the mental "space" it has created for the inhabitants. Integrating people into the new society takes a lot of work (read Samuel Huntington's book "Who are We?" to see the incredible effort that all elements of American society: schools, churches, business, popular culture and the government expended to create the "melting pot"), not sure if France has the time or resources to do so now. In any event, any place which is not subject to the same "Rule of Law" as every place else in a polity is a potential breeding ground for something (This was also discussed in the book "The Pentagon's New Map"):

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/12/paris-attacks-prompt-fears-france-muslim-no-go-zones-incubating-jihad/

Paris attacks prompt fears France's Muslim 'no-go' zones incubating jihad
By Karl de Vries
Published January 12, 2015
FoxNews.com

French 'no-go zones' in question after Paris terror attacks

In hundreds of French "no-go" zones  -- neighborhoods where neither tourists nor cops dare enter -- poor and alienated Muslims have intimidated the government into largely ceding authority over them, prompting fears that the kind of jihad that gave rise to last week's attack in Paris is festering unchecked.

In some ways, these 751 areas designated by the French government -- officially called zones urbaines sensibles (sensitive urban zones), or ZUS, for short, but referred to as “no-go” zones by some observers -- resemble poor sections of America’s cities where gangs rule, crime and drugs are rampant and police only enter with significant backup. But in the wake of last week’s massacre at Charlie Hebdo and the fact that hundreds of radicalized Muslims who went to train or fight in Syria and Iraq could return, some experts fear the next terror attack will be launched from inside one of France's no-go zones.

“Most of the time, these are quiet places with nothing going on. But they’re apt to flare up.”
- Daniel Pipes, Middle East Forum

“These ‘no-go’ zones are essentially breeding grounds for radicalism, and it’s a very big problem,” Soeren Kern, a senior fellow at the Gatestone Institute, told FoxNews.com. “These are areas where essentially the French government has lost control.”

Created in 1996, the zones are sprinkled throughout cities and suburbs in rundown neighborhoods France sought to revitalize with tax breaks for businesses. Most of the zones are blocks of neighborhoods, with the average ZUS containing about 6,000 residents. An estimated 5 million people live the zones, and most of the residents are part of France's 10 percent Muslim population. In some zones, Islamic law actually supersedes the French legal system on civil matters such as property disputes, adultery and divorce.

“Most of the time, these are quiet places with nothing going on,” said Daniel Pipes, the president of the Middle East Forum, a conservative think tank. “But they’re apt to flare up.”

Examples of flare-ups within the last decade include the infamous 2005 riots, when the accidental deaths of two teenagers in an impoverished Paris suburb during a police sweep touched off a national wave of unrest. For the next three weeks, violent clashes between immigrant youths and police took place in nearly 300 towns and suburbs, resulting in the torching of schools, community centers and thousands of cars, as well as nearly 3,000 arrests and an estimated 200 million euros in damage. Two years later, when two minority teenagers were killed after their motorscooter collided with a police car in a blue-collar town on Paris’ northern edge, rioting and arson ensued for several days. That time, however, the rioters -- joined by what a police union official called “urban guerrillas” -- fought police officers with shotguns and gasoline bombs, injuring dozens.

Part of the problem, say experts, has been an inability of France to assimilate its Muslim population. Unlike America, where each passing generation seems to become more integrated into the national identity, the opposite is true in France, experts say, with the relationship between the overwhelmingly white, Roman Catholic majority and dark-skinned, Muslim immigrant community becoming more estranged in the past decade.

Many of France's "sensitive urban zones," called "no-go" zones by some observers, typically keep to themselves, but are apt to flare up on occasion, experts say. In 2005, the accidental deaths of two teenagers in an impoverished Paris suburb during a police sweep touched off a national wave of unrest, leading to rioting and the torching of schools, community centers and thousands of cars. Here, French firemen confront a blazing warehouse fire near Le Bourget on Nov. 4, 2005.

In 2004, the government passed a controversial law prohibiting the wearing of religious apparel in France’s public schools, including Islamic head scarves. The move triggered demonstrations by Muslims around the world. Seven years later, France formally banned full-face veils in public places, ostensibly as a security measure but widely seen as an affront to Islamic custom and a way to make Muslim women feel unwelcome in French society.

As the divide grows, many second- and third-generation Muslim youths, seeking an identity and a sense of belonging, are becoming more religious than their parents and grandparents.

“These kids … have no relationship to Morocco or Algeria at all, but they’re not integrated into French society at all,” Kern said. “In a way, they’re stateless. They get drawn to radical Islam as a way to give them meaning in their life.”

Meanwhile, immigrants, particularly those from northern Africa, have difficulty landing good jobs or climbing in French society. A Newsweek correspondent estimated in August that 40 percent of young French Muslims from immigrant backgrounds are unemployed, and a 2010 Stanford University study found that a Christian of African heritage was two and a half times more likely to get called for a job interview in France than an equally qualified Muslim with the same ethnic background.

With much of the country’s Muslim population living in the downtrodden ZUS, they’re vulnerable to jihadist recruitment. A poll conducted last summer by Russian news agency Rossiya Segodnya found that 15 percent of French citizens had a positive opinion of the Islamic State terror group, also known as ISIS, or ISIL, and last month, French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve revealed that twice as many French nationals in 2014 had joined or were planning to join ISIS than in 2013.

“You see these disenfranchised people, and it’s a very good recruitment pool,” said Scott Stewart, the vice president of tactical analysis of Stratfor Global Intelligence. “(Jihadists) are looking for angry, underemployed guys. It’s a good target audience for them.”

Among that audience were the three men linked to last week’s rampage at Charlie Hebdo and the subsequent manhunt that ultimately claimed 17 victims. The brothers behind the attack, Said and Cherif Kouachi, were French citizens of Algerian descent who were known to authorities for years. Cherif, the 32-year-old younger brother, was part of a cell known as the 19th arrondissement network, a group located in northeast Paris that sent European Muslims to fight in Iraq after the U.S.-led 2003 invasion. Along with several others, he was convicted in 2008 on terror charges, but he did not serve any time after conviction because part of his sentence was suspended and he was credited for time served in his pre-trial detention.

It’s also emerged that Said Kouachi, 34, had traveled to Yemen in 2011 and had direct contact with an Al Qaeda training camp. And Amedy Coulibaly, 32, a French citizen of Senegalese descent who claimed to be a compatriot of the brothers and was gunned down Friday at a Kosher grocery store in east Paris after killing four hostages, had declared allegiance to ISIS in a video that emerged on Sunday.

But while authorities piece together the events and causes behind last week’s events, debate is underway on how French authorities should try to assert more oversight and better relations with those in the ZUS.

Kern wants to see European governments crack down on welfare benefits that he believes entice immigrants, particularly for those with polygamous families. Pipes believes the French government should impose more restrictive immigration policies while demanding newcomers embrace western culture and its freedoms of expression.

Michele Lamont, however, a Harvard professor of sociology of African and African-American studies who is an expert on racism in France, fears that a hard-line response would only inflame tensions further. She believes the majority of Muslims want to be integrated with the rest of the French society, and the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attacks will be a critical time during which the nation’s Muslim population will either be drawn closer to the rest of the country or face further estrangement.

“It pushes all Muslims to make choices about where they stand,” she said.
 
Kat Stevens said:
There's a video all over facebook and youtube now from anonymous apparently showing the cop on the ground didn't take a fatal head wound at all.  Now the whole thing was a CIA plot to keep France in line over sanctions on Russia... or some such thing.  My head hurts, people suck, I'm moving to the bush...

Edited to add link
http://anonhq.com/uncensored-footage-paris-terror-attack-raises-serious-questions/



That kind of cr#p was out the same day as the shootings.


Note the date posted.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zriVAbO040c



Cheers
Larry
 
France's robust response to the terror attacks. Please note a posting on another thread on French CVN Charles De Gaulle's deployment to the Indian Ocean/Middle East.

Military.com

France Sends Carrier to Mideast, Cracks Down on Hate Speech
Associated Press | Jan 14, 2015 | by Lori Hinnant
PARIS — France ordered prosecutors around the country to crack down on hate speech, anti-Semitism and glorifying terrorism and announced Wednesday it was sending an aircraft carrier to the Mideast to work more closely with the U.S.-led coalition fighting Islamic State militants.

Authorities said 54 people had been arrested for hate speech and defending terrorism in the last week. The crackdown came as Charlie Hebdo's defiant new issue sold out before dawn around Paris, with scuffles at kiosks over dwindling copies of the satirical weekly that fronted the Prophet Muhammad anew on its cover.

After terror attacks killed 20 people in Paris last week, including three gunmen, President Francois Hollande said the situation "justifies the presence of our aircraft carrier." One of the gunmen had claimed allegiance to the Islamic State group.

France is already carrying out airstrikes against the extremist group in Iraq. Hollande spoke aboard the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier to members of France's military.

Since the attacks, France has deployed 10,000 troops and 120,000 security forces in an area the size of Texas to protect sensitive sites, including Jewish schools and synagogues, mosques and travel hubs.

(...SNIPPED)
 
S.M.A. said:
France's robust response to the terror attacks. Please note a posting on another thread on French CVN Charles De Gaulle's deployment to the Indian Ocean/Middle East.

Military.com
France Sends Carrier to Mideast, Cracks Down on Hate Speech
Associated Press | Jan 14, 2015 | by Lori Hinnant
PARIS — France ordered prosecutors around the country to crack down on hate speech, anti-Semitism and glorifying terrorism and ........


I wonder if and when the UK may follow suit?
 
Britain will send a strongly worded letter to The Times, after ensuring it complies with new sensitivity laws.
 
More on the "cracking down on hate speech" angle ....
French police detained controversial comedian Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala for defence of terrorism over a Facebook posting following Sunday’s Charlie Hebdo solidarity march. Another man was sentenced to a year in prison for the same crime on Tuesday evening.

The comic, who goes by the stage name of Dieudonné, was taken into custody on Wednesday morning, following Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve’s furious reaction [1] to a posting that briefly appeared on the humourist’s Facebook page.

“Tonight, as far as I'm concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly," the comic wrote, playing on the expression "Je suis Charlie" slogan taken up by millions around the world after shootings at satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in which 12 people died.

Gunman Amedy Coulibaly killed five people in two other Paris attacks, four of them in a kosher supermarket.

He also appeared to mock Sunday’s march [2], calling it “a magical moment comparable to the big bang”.

Cazeneuve described the statement, which was taken down after a few hours, as “despicable” and police took Dieudonné, whose shows were banned because of  anti-Semitic content [3]a year ago, into custody on Wednesday morning.

A 22-year-old man was jailed for a year on Tuesday evening for another Facebook posting - a video mocking Ahmed Merabet [4], the police officer killed during the Charlie Hebdo attack.

And a 34-year-old man was jailed for four years after praising the Kouachi brothers, who killed Merabet and 11 other people on Wednesday, when police arrested him for drunk driving after a car accident in which several people were injured.

About 50 other cases have been brought for defence of terrorism across the country, according to Le Monde [5]newspaper ....
 
No one can accuse the French of not taking action or messing around...
 
Right next door to France another terror cell gets taken out. Some video on link as well:

http://news.sky.com/story/1408633/suspected-jihadists-killed-in-belgium-raid

Suspected Jihadists Killed In Belgium Raid

Two men die after they open fire on police who believe the group was about to launch a major terror attack, prosecutors say.

20:17, UK, Thursday 15January 2015

Belgian police have killed two men in a fierce gun battle - foiling a major terror attack in the country, according to authorities.

They died in the eastern town of Verviers during one of about 10 raids carried out against alleged Islamist extremists returning from fighting in Syria.

As police closed in, the suspects opened fire with automatic weapons and there was an intense shootout for several minutes before the pair were killed, said a prosecutor.

Eric Van Der Sypt also said no officers or civilians were hurt in the raid on an upper level of a building.

A member of the Belgian security forces at the scene of the incident

He said: "The suspects immediately and for several minutes opened fire with military weaponry and handguns on the special units of the federal police before they were neutralised."

He said police buildings were the target and an attack had been expected in hours or days.

One person was arrested and there were reports he had been injured but that has not been confirmed.

Belgium's public broadcaster RTBF said the raid was on an apartment above a bakery and explosions and gunfire were apparently heard near the train station.

The website of La Meuse newspaper quoted an unidentified police officer as saying: "We've averted a Belgian Charlie Hebdo."

The French satirical magazine was attacked last week by brothers Said and Cherif Kouachi who killed 12 people.

But Mr Van Der Sypt said there was, for the time being, no direct connection to the Paris attacks.

He said more anti-terrorist raids were taking place in the Brussels region and Verviers, adding that Belgium's terror alert level was raised to its second-highest level

Video posted online of what appeared to be the operation in Verviers showed a dark view of a building amid blasts, gunshots and sirens, and a fire with smoke billowing up.

The incident reportedly took place near a street called Rue des Ecoles.

One resident told RTL: "I heard the first explosion and then several shots. I cannot say more at this time. I dare not go down to take a look."

The operation was one of several being conducted against people believed to have returned to Belgium after taking part in the Syrian civil war.

It has the highest number of citizens per head of population in Europe who have fought for the Syrian rebels, research says.

Police were reportedly hunting a man who witnesses said had brandished a weapon and shouted religious slogans in Arabic at a Brussels metro station.

Earlier, Belgian authorities arrested a man suspected of supplying the gunmen who killed 17 people in Paris, as funerals for the victims of the Charlie Hebdo attacks continued.

Police in Charleroi are holding the suspect on suspicion of arms dealing after he handed himself in to police in the city on Tuesday.

He told officers he had been in touch with Amedy Coulibaly, the militant who took hostages in a Jewish supermarket in the French capital and was later killed by security forces.

According to reports, the man said he had conned Coulibaly in a car sale.

But police later found evidence the pair were negotiating the sale of bullets for a 7.62mm caliber firearm - the type needed for the Tokarev pistol Coulibaly used in his attack on the supermarket in Paris that left four hostages dead.
 
According to CTV many of those arrested by Belgian Police were people who had just returned from Syria and we planning a "Terror attack on a massive scale" to quote CTV's anchor.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Or ordering their soldiers to hide in civilian clothes.

Hard to do that when you actually deploy them to crush this crap.  ;)
 
Crantor said:
Hard to do that when you actually deploy them to crush this crap.  ;)

We did this a few times, Canadians generally didn't take it to well.
 
RoyalDrew said:
We did this a few timses, Canadians generally didn't take it to well.

Actually during the October Crisis, something like 89% of Canadians approved of the use of the military to end it.
 
Crantor said:
Actually during the October Crisis, something like 89% of Canadians approved of the use of the military to end it.

True, but that still didn't stop the government from getting rid of the War Measures Act.  Maybe if it still existed we wouldn't have soldiers going to work in civilians.  The government would certainly have the power to take down some fundamentalist yahoo's a lot more quickly.
 
I'm sure if there was a fundamentalist yahoo cell which security forces (RCMP/CSIS etc..) had enough information on to hit, being able to hit them would not be an issue.  Right now the situation does not need the war measures act, and certainly doesn't need LAV3s set up outside of embassies.
 
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