Terror Attacks on London England - 07 Jul 05 & 21 Jul 05
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New from the Global site - Bombers possibly linked to Pakistani AQ cells. Here's the story...
LONDON (AP) - Investigators are looking into whether there's a link between the men who carried out the London bombings and Pakistan-based cells of the al-Qaida terror network, the city's police chief said Friday, as Egyptian authorities arrested a chemist in connection with the attacks.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said investigators were hunting the organizers of last week's four suicide attacks - carried out by what he called "foot soldiers" - and confirmed police were focusing on a Pakistan connection.
Blair told British Broadcasting Corp. radio that police believed they would discover an al-Qaida connection to the blasts that killed at least 54 people.
In Egypt, authorities arrested Magdi el-Nashar early Friday, an Egyptian official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because an official announcement of the information had not yet been made. El-Nashar, who studied at North Carolina State University in the United States and the University of Leeds in northern England, was being interrogated by Egyptian authorities, the official said.
A statement from London's Metropolitan Police said, "We're aware of an arrest in Cairo, but we are not prepared to discuss who we may or may not wish to interview in connection with this investigation (into the London bombings)."
"This remains a fast-moving investigation with a number of lines of inquiry, some of which may have an international dimension," London's police said.
Three of the bombers who carried out last week's terror strikes were Britons of Pakistani origin. Pakistani intelligence officials said Friday that local authorities were looking into a connection between one of the three Britons and two al-Qaida-linked militant groups in that country.
"What we expect to find at some stage is that there is a clear al-Qaida link, a clear al-Qaida approach, because the four men who are dead, who we believe are the bombers, are in the category of foot soldiers," Commissioner Blair told British Broadcasting Corp. radio.
Authorities in Pakistan were looking into a connection between one of the London suicide bombers and two al-Qaida-linked militant groups in Pakistan, including a man arrested for a 2002 attack on a church near the U.S. Embassy, two senior intelligence officials said.
The investigation is focusing on at least one trip that 22-year-old Shahzad Tanweer made to Pakistan in the past year, said the officials, who work at two separate intelligence agencies and are involved in the investigation. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the secretive nature of their jobs.
One of the officials said that while in Pakistan, Tanweer is believed to have visited a radical religious school run by the banned Sunni Muslim militant group Lashkar-e-Tayyaba.
The sprawling school in Muridke, 35 kilometers (20 miles) north of the eastern city of Lahore, has a reputation for hostility. Journalists who have traveled to the school in the past have been threatened and prevented from entering. Lashkar-e-Tayyaba was banned by Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf for alleged links to a 2001 attack on India's Parliament.
British and FBI officials investigating the possible al-Qaida connection in the London attacks were also looking into the Egyptian-born el-Nashar, who studied in the United States.
ABC News, citing unidentified officials, reported that the attacks were connected to an al-Qaida plot made two years ago in Lahore, Pakistan. Names on a computer that authorities seized last year from Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, an alleged Pakistani computer expert for al-Qaida, matched a suspected cell of young Britons of Pakistani origin, most of whom lived near Luton, where the alleged suicide bombers met up on their way to London shortly before last week's blasts, according to the report.
Authorities have now discovered ties between Mohammed Sidique Khan - one of the July 7 bombers - and members of that cell who were arrested last year, ABC said.
FBI agents in Raleigh, North Carolina, had been involved in the search for el-Nashar, a 33-year-old former North Carolina State University graduate student. The doors were locked Thursday at the building at Leeds University where he recently taught chemistry.
And in a further international development in the inquiry, Jamaica's government said it was investigating a Jamaican-born Briton as one of the bombers.
Britain paid tribute Thursday to those killed in the attacks with two minutes of silence.
One of the bombers identified by police as Hasib Hussain, 18, allegedly set off the bomb that killed 14 people aboard the bus. That blast occurred nearly an hour after three London Underground trains blew up, and investigators don't yet know what Hussain did during that hour or when he boarded the bus.
Trying to map out Hussain's movements, police appealed for information from anyone who may have seen him in or around King's Cross station, where the four suspects parted ways. They released a closed-circuit television image showing him wearing a large camping-style backpack as he strode through a train station in Luton, outside London, about 2 1/2 hours before he allegedly blew up the No. 30 bus. He had a mustache and wore jeans, a white shirt, and a dark zip-up top or jacket.
A separate photo of his face showed him with a beard, looking straight ahead.
"Did you see this man at King's Cross?" Peter Clarke, head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch, asked in a televised appeal. "Was he alone or with others? Do you know the route he took from (King's Cross) station? Did you see him get on to a No. 30 bus?
The young men traveled together from Luton to King's Cross just before the blasts, police said.
Police officially identified two of the suicide bombers Thursday - Hussain and Tanweer, whom they say attacked a subway train between Liverpool Street and Aldgate stations.
Both were Britons of Pakistani ancestry, as was 30-year-old Mohammed Sidique Khan. Reports say the fourth attacker was Jamaican-born Briton Lindsey Germaine.
Jamaican Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman Wilton Dyer said officials were waiting for Britain to confirm the identity of the suspect before they could help in identifying his possible origins in Jamaica.
http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.html?id=de29efba-a594-40dc-8678-bdc61a90b4c4&page=1
Not that this should surprise anyone after it was reported that the bombers had travelled to Pakistan (and Afghanistan) recently. Hopefully Scotland Yard continues to progress well in their investigation and find the 'murderous scumbags' who planned this...
LONDON (AP) - Investigators are looking into whether there's a link between the men who carried out the London bombings and Pakistan-based cells of the al-Qaida terror network, the city's police chief said Friday, as Egyptian authorities arrested a chemist in connection with the attacks.
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said investigators were hunting the organizers of last week's four suicide attacks - carried out by what he called "foot soldiers" - and confirmed police were focusing on a Pakistan connection.
Blair told British Broadcasting Corp. radio that police believed they would discover an al-Qaida connection to the blasts that killed at least 54 people.
In Egypt, authorities arrested Magdi el-Nashar early Friday, an Egyptian official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because an official announcement of the information had not yet been made. El-Nashar, who studied at North Carolina State University in the United States and the University of Leeds in northern England, was being interrogated by Egyptian authorities, the official said.
A statement from London's Metropolitan Police said, "We're aware of an arrest in Cairo, but we are not prepared to discuss who we may or may not wish to interview in connection with this investigation (into the London bombings)."
"This remains a fast-moving investigation with a number of lines of inquiry, some of which may have an international dimension," London's police said.
Three of the bombers who carried out last week's terror strikes were Britons of Pakistani origin. Pakistani intelligence officials said Friday that local authorities were looking into a connection between one of the three Britons and two al-Qaida-linked militant groups in that country.
"What we expect to find at some stage is that there is a clear al-Qaida link, a clear al-Qaida approach, because the four men who are dead, who we believe are the bombers, are in the category of foot soldiers," Commissioner Blair told British Broadcasting Corp. radio.
Authorities in Pakistan were looking into a connection between one of the London suicide bombers and two al-Qaida-linked militant groups in Pakistan, including a man arrested for a 2002 attack on a church near the U.S. Embassy, two senior intelligence officials said.
The investigation is focusing on at least one trip that 22-year-old Shahzad Tanweer made to Pakistan in the past year, said the officials, who work at two separate intelligence agencies and are involved in the investigation. They spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the secretive nature of their jobs.
One of the officials said that while in Pakistan, Tanweer is believed to have visited a radical religious school run by the banned Sunni Muslim militant group Lashkar-e-Tayyaba.
The sprawling school in Muridke, 35 kilometers (20 miles) north of the eastern city of Lahore, has a reputation for hostility. Journalists who have traveled to the school in the past have been threatened and prevented from entering. Lashkar-e-Tayyaba was banned by Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf for alleged links to a 2001 attack on India's Parliament.
British and FBI officials investigating the possible al-Qaida connection in the London attacks were also looking into the Egyptian-born el-Nashar, who studied in the United States.
ABC News, citing unidentified officials, reported that the attacks were connected to an al-Qaida plot made two years ago in Lahore, Pakistan. Names on a computer that authorities seized last year from Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, an alleged Pakistani computer expert for al-Qaida, matched a suspected cell of young Britons of Pakistani origin, most of whom lived near Luton, where the alleged suicide bombers met up on their way to London shortly before last week's blasts, according to the report.
Authorities have now discovered ties between Mohammed Sidique Khan - one of the July 7 bombers - and members of that cell who were arrested last year, ABC said.
FBI agents in Raleigh, North Carolina, had been involved in the search for el-Nashar, a 33-year-old former North Carolina State University graduate student. The doors were locked Thursday at the building at Leeds University where he recently taught chemistry.
And in a further international development in the inquiry, Jamaica's government said it was investigating a Jamaican-born Briton as one of the bombers.
Britain paid tribute Thursday to those killed in the attacks with two minutes of silence.
One of the bombers identified by police as Hasib Hussain, 18, allegedly set off the bomb that killed 14 people aboard the bus. That blast occurred nearly an hour after three London Underground trains blew up, and investigators don't yet know what Hussain did during that hour or when he boarded the bus.
Trying to map out Hussain's movements, police appealed for information from anyone who may have seen him in or around King's Cross station, where the four suspects parted ways. They released a closed-circuit television image showing him wearing a large camping-style backpack as he strode through a train station in Luton, outside London, about 2 1/2 hours before he allegedly blew up the No. 30 bus. He had a mustache and wore jeans, a white shirt, and a dark zip-up top or jacket.
A separate photo of his face showed him with a beard, looking straight ahead.
"Did you see this man at King's Cross?" Peter Clarke, head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch, asked in a televised appeal. "Was he alone or with others? Do you know the route he took from (King's Cross) station? Did you see him get on to a No. 30 bus?
The young men traveled together from Luton to King's Cross just before the blasts, police said.
Police officially identified two of the suicide bombers Thursday - Hussain and Tanweer, whom they say attacked a subway train between Liverpool Street and Aldgate stations.
Both were Britons of Pakistani ancestry, as was 30-year-old Mohammed Sidique Khan. Reports say the fourth attacker was Jamaican-born Briton Lindsey Germaine.
Jamaican Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman Wilton Dyer said officials were waiting for Britain to confirm the identity of the suspect before they could help in identifying his possible origins in Jamaica.
http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.html?id=de29efba-a594-40dc-8678-bdc61a90b4c4&page=1
Not that this should surprise anyone after it was reported that the bombers had travelled to Pakistan (and Afghanistan) recently. Hopefully Scotland Yard continues to progress well in their investigation and find the 'murderous scumbags' who planned this...
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Abu punching holes in that theory.
Lightfigher AT expert on that...
Malcom has written books on T work/recognition and is a recognized expert.
Lightfigher AT expert on that...
Malcom has written books on T work/recognition and is a recognized expert.
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I just saw this and thought I should post it.
LONDON, England (CNN) -- At least one person has been injured following three small explosions on London's transport system, police say.
The incidents came two weeks to the day since bombs on three Underground trains in London and a double-decker bus killed 56 people including four bombers.
CNN's Matthew Chance said police told him a device exploded in or around Warren Street Tube station in the center of the British capital.
The area around the station has been sealed off and the Bomb Squad is on the scene to check for other explosive devices.
Transport Police told ITN there was an injury at Warren Street. There are no other reports of casualties.
Scotland Yard is also reporting an incident on a bus at Hackney Road and Columbia Road in east London. A witness said the bus is still intact and a bomb-sniffing dog was on the scene.
An explosion blew out the windows of a bus in the Hackney area of London on Thursday but there were no reports of injuries, bus operator Stagecoach said.
"The driver heard a bang he believed came from the upper desk of the bus. The windows were blown out. There are no reports of any injuries," a Stagecoach spokesman said.
Police said initially they were not treating the evacuations as a "major incident."
A Scotland Yard spokesperson told CNN that Warren Street, Shepherds Bush and Oval stations had all been evacuated.
London Underground confirmed that services on three lines -- Victoria, Northern and Hammermith and City -- were suspended following the incidents, according to PA.
Ambulances were called to Oval station at 12:38 p.m. (7:38 a.m. ET), and sent three vehicles. At 12:45 p.m., a call came in from Warren Street. Five vehicles were sent there.
The ambulance service had no details on the Shepherd's Bush station incident.
Bryce Elder, a witness near the Shepherd's Bush station, said there was a heavy police presence but "no real sense of panic."
Police helicopters flew overhead and areas near Shepherd's Bush station were evacuated. Elder said the station was not very busy.
CNN London producer Katie Turner reported a heavy police presence near the Oval station, including about 30 police vehicles. Roads about 500 meters from the station have been blocked off to vehicular traffic, she said.
The White House said President George W. Bush has been informed of the incidents.
LONDON, England (CNN) -- At least one person has been injured following three small explosions on London's transport system, police say.
The incidents came two weeks to the day since bombs on three Underground trains in London and a double-decker bus killed 56 people including four bombers.
CNN's Matthew Chance said police told him a device exploded in or around Warren Street Tube station in the center of the British capital.
The area around the station has been sealed off and the Bomb Squad is on the scene to check for other explosive devices.
Transport Police told ITN there was an injury at Warren Street. There are no other reports of casualties.
Scotland Yard is also reporting an incident on a bus at Hackney Road and Columbia Road in east London. A witness said the bus is still intact and a bomb-sniffing dog was on the scene.
An explosion blew out the windows of a bus in the Hackney area of London on Thursday but there were no reports of injuries, bus operator Stagecoach said.
"The driver heard a bang he believed came from the upper desk of the bus. The windows were blown out. There are no reports of any injuries," a Stagecoach spokesman said.
Police said initially they were not treating the evacuations as a "major incident."
A Scotland Yard spokesperson told CNN that Warren Street, Shepherds Bush and Oval stations had all been evacuated.
London Underground confirmed that services on three lines -- Victoria, Northern and Hammermith and City -- were suspended following the incidents, according to PA.
Ambulances were called to Oval station at 12:38 p.m. (7:38 a.m. ET), and sent three vehicles. At 12:45 p.m., a call came in from Warren Street. Five vehicles were sent there.
The ambulance service had no details on the Shepherd's Bush station incident.
Bryce Elder, a witness near the Shepherd's Bush station, said there was a heavy police presence but "no real sense of panic."
Police helicopters flew overhead and areas near Shepherd's Bush station were evacuated. Elder said the station was not very busy.
CNN London producer Katie Turner reported a heavy police presence near the Oval station, including about 30 police vehicles. Roads about 500 meters from the station have been blocked off to vehicular traffic, she said.
The White House said President George W. Bush has been informed of the incidents.
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yea the news is saying it doesnt seem as co-ordinated and the subway system hit today were much smaller then the ones hit before, the bombs seemed to be more complex, they think they found One suicide bomber still alive and rushed him to hospital. and apparently they caught a man who ran at the gate of the prime ministers house but he got whipped to the ground and taken away
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/07/21/london-050721.html
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That Brit Stiff Upper Lip refuses to be beaten down ... good to see 
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Gunnar
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Hurricanes, volcanoes and earthquakes are part of life. They don't make us hide in our holes hoping they'll never happen to us....they're just forces of nature. They happen, without any sort of pretense of purpose, and we react to them. They don't change our day to day lives in any way, apart from avoiding certain neigbourhoods in certain seasons. Hell, poisonous snakes are much the same...we deal with them or eliminate them as vermin wherever possible.
Similarly, terror attacks happen. You can't hide from them, they happen for no reason (or worse, for the reason that we are free, independent, democratic people, i.e., because we are what we are). We will deal with terrorists as the vermin they are, but they certainly won't change anything--they don't really have a 'cause'. They are simply predatory animals who are inimical to civilized life.
My refusal to grant these people moral standing, or to think of them as anything other than mindless killers protects me and my way of life. If I thought of them as human beings, I might get angry and do something disproportionate to innocent people. Handling problems rationally, with measured force is the hallmark of the free nations, particularly the West. I intend to carry on that tradition. And I will support my government as they eliminate the vermin which cause this problem. Wild bears don't roam the streets of Toronto, and when one shows up, we call Animal Control. We don't let them continue to depredate our land. Criminals don't have free reign to destroy the fabric of society...when laws are broken, we call the police to eliminate the threat. And if our police, army and intelligence community can eliminate a bunch of terrorists, well hooray for civilized life.
Terrorism really has no more impact that a scourge of rats or locusts...bad for the population, eliminate the source as you can.
Torstar and company would call this mindset "dehumanizing the enemy". They fail to realize it is because such people have dehumanized themselves that they deserve this treatment....you treat a wild bear as a wild bear, you treat a criminal as a criminal, and you treat homicidal maniacs as homicidal maniacs. When these people are prepared to live in civilized society (and might I add, to the extent that they do so even before their crimes), we have treated them as equals. It is when they say they can no longer live in a civilized manner that civilization needs to take action to protect itself. We do.
Of course, there is one thing worse that "dehumanizing the enemy". That's a process of dehumanizing the victims...where women and children being blown up is somehow justifiable because the actions of small-minded killers habitually get them bloody noses. Little Johnny got his leg blown off, but that's OK, because Achmed was upset that the Israelis put his brother in jail for attempting to blow up a bus....Achmed had a bad childhood, so innocent people with happy childhoods somehow deserve to die...
Similarly, terror attacks happen. You can't hide from them, they happen for no reason (or worse, for the reason that we are free, independent, democratic people, i.e., because we are what we are). We will deal with terrorists as the vermin they are, but they certainly won't change anything--they don't really have a 'cause'. They are simply predatory animals who are inimical to civilized life.
My refusal to grant these people moral standing, or to think of them as anything other than mindless killers protects me and my way of life. If I thought of them as human beings, I might get angry and do something disproportionate to innocent people. Handling problems rationally, with measured force is the hallmark of the free nations, particularly the West. I intend to carry on that tradition. And I will support my government as they eliminate the vermin which cause this problem. Wild bears don't roam the streets of Toronto, and when one shows up, we call Animal Control. We don't let them continue to depredate our land. Criminals don't have free reign to destroy the fabric of society...when laws are broken, we call the police to eliminate the threat. And if our police, army and intelligence community can eliminate a bunch of terrorists, well hooray for civilized life.
Terrorism really has no more impact that a scourge of rats or locusts...bad for the population, eliminate the source as you can.
Torstar and company would call this mindset "dehumanizing the enemy". They fail to realize it is because such people have dehumanized themselves that they deserve this treatment....you treat a wild bear as a wild bear, you treat a criminal as a criminal, and you treat homicidal maniacs as homicidal maniacs. When these people are prepared to live in civilized society (and might I add, to the extent that they do so even before their crimes), we have treated them as equals. It is when they say they can no longer live in a civilized manner that civilization needs to take action to protect itself. We do.
Of course, there is one thing worse that "dehumanizing the enemy". That's a process of dehumanizing the victims...where women and children being blown up is somehow justifiable because the actions of small-minded killers habitually get them bloody noses. Little Johnny got his leg blown off, but that's OK, because Achmed was upset that the Israelis put his brother in jail for attempting to blow up a bus....Achmed had a bad childhood, so innocent people with happy childhoods somehow deserve to die...
Gunnar
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If you read my profile, you'll see why I use it. And because my avatar also loudly proclaims that I am a civilian, and because I never pretend to actually BE RCR, I haven't been given too hard a time about it. As was pointed out in the thread you referenced, nothing forbids me from using the Avatar...
In fact, at one time this site used to give TI "ranks" to people of long standing...I usually made a point of changing "old soldier" back to "civilian". I am a dilletante, and do not pretend to be anything else. However, some real soldiers on this site seem to believe I'm relatively switched on, and they haven't given me too hard a time about it so far.
Like anything else, badges and rank are something you should use with sensitivity towards what you are trying to portray. You won't see me using any elements of rank at any time because of this.
