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Putin tells Western leaders: Let's bury our differences and jointly strike at 'barbarian' ISIS
Hazel Torres Published 15 November 2015
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/putin.tells.western.leaders.lets.bury.our.differences.and.jointly.strike.at.barbarian.isis/70586.htm
Russian President Vladimir Putin appealed to Western leaders to bury their differences with Russia and jointly strike at the "barbarian" Islamic State (ISIS) militants in Syria, saying Friday's Paris terrorist attack underscored the need for such concerted action.
In a condolences telegram sent to French President Francois Hollande, Putin said, "This tragedy is another proof of the barbarian nature of terrorism, which challenges the human civilisation. Clearly, for effective fighting this evil, the entire international community should unite efforts," Tass news agency reported.
"I would like to confirm the Russian side is ready for most close cooperation with the French counterparts in investigating into the crime in Paris. I hope the initiators and executors will receive deserved punishments," Putin added.
Sergei Sobyanin, a close Putin ally and the mayor of Moscow, said the killings in Paris were "another reason to consolidate in the battle against Islamic State."
Alexey Pushkov, a senior lawmaker and the chairman of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house of parliament, said he hoped the incident would bring the West to its senses. "Russia is fighting in Syria against those who blew up Paris and declared war on Europe," he wrote on his official Twitter account. "It is time for the West to stop criticising Moscow and to form a joint coalition."
In an interview on Friday ahead of the G20 summit and before news of the Paris carnage broke, Putin vented his frustration at the United States for repeatedly rebuffing Russia's overtures to coordinate more closely in carrying out airstrikes against ISIS targets in Syria, Reuters reported.
Sources said that for weeks, Moscow had been asking Washington to share intelligence about ISIS targets while at the same time seeking the creation of a broader coalition to confront the ISIS menace in Syria. Washington has rejected all of Russia's proposals, the sources claim.
"We need to urgently end the conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine," said Sergey Markov, a Putin loyalist.
Russia began launching airstrikes in Syria on Sept. 30, saying the move was meant to protect itself from possible future terror attacks by some 7,000 citizens from Russia and the former Soviet Union who are fighting with ISIS.
However, Washington has accused Russia of not primarily targeting ISIS targets, but rather bombing rebels backed by the West or Gulf states instead.
Meanwhile, Russian authorities announced that they are bolstering security measures following the attacks in Paris. The move includes putting security services on high alert, urging vigilance among citizens and tightening transport safety measures, Reuters reported.
Russia's deputy prime minister in charge of the defence industry, Dmitry Rogozin, said Russian defence bodies had introduced additional anti-terror security measures, according to Interfax news agency.
Moscow is particularly wary of an imminent ISIS terrorist attack after the jihadist group released a video threatening attacks in Russia "very soon."
Putin tells Western leaders: Let's bury our differences and jointly strike at 'barbarian' ISIS
Hazel Torres Published 15 November 2015
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/putin.tells.western.leaders.lets.bury.our.differences.and.jointly.strike.at.barbarian.isis/70586.htm
Russian President Vladimir Putin appealed to Western leaders to bury their differences with Russia and jointly strike at the "barbarian" Islamic State (ISIS) militants in Syria, saying Friday's Paris terrorist attack underscored the need for such concerted action.
In a condolences telegram sent to French President Francois Hollande, Putin said, "This tragedy is another proof of the barbarian nature of terrorism, which challenges the human civilisation. Clearly, for effective fighting this evil, the entire international community should unite efforts," Tass news agency reported.
"I would like to confirm the Russian side is ready for most close cooperation with the French counterparts in investigating into the crime in Paris. I hope the initiators and executors will receive deserved punishments," Putin added.
Sergei Sobyanin, a close Putin ally and the mayor of Moscow, said the killings in Paris were "another reason to consolidate in the battle against Islamic State."
Alexey Pushkov, a senior lawmaker and the chairman of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house of parliament, said he hoped the incident would bring the West to its senses. "Russia is fighting in Syria against those who blew up Paris and declared war on Europe," he wrote on his official Twitter account. "It is time for the West to stop criticising Moscow and to form a joint coalition."
In an interview on Friday ahead of the G20 summit and before news of the Paris carnage broke, Putin vented his frustration at the United States for repeatedly rebuffing Russia's overtures to coordinate more closely in carrying out airstrikes against ISIS targets in Syria, Reuters reported.
Sources said that for weeks, Moscow had been asking Washington to share intelligence about ISIS targets while at the same time seeking the creation of a broader coalition to confront the ISIS menace in Syria. Washington has rejected all of Russia's proposals, the sources claim.
"We need to urgently end the conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine," said Sergey Markov, a Putin loyalist.
Russia began launching airstrikes in Syria on Sept. 30, saying the move was meant to protect itself from possible future terror attacks by some 7,000 citizens from Russia and the former Soviet Union who are fighting with ISIS.
However, Washington has accused Russia of not primarily targeting ISIS targets, but rather bombing rebels backed by the West or Gulf states instead.
Meanwhile, Russian authorities announced that they are bolstering security measures following the attacks in Paris. The move includes putting security services on high alert, urging vigilance among citizens and tightening transport safety measures, Reuters reported.
Russia's deputy prime minister in charge of the defence industry, Dmitry Rogozin, said Russian defence bodies had introduced additional anti-terror security measures, according to Interfax news agency.
Moscow is particularly wary of an imminent ISIS terrorist attack after the jihadist group released a video threatening attacks in Russia "very soon."
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Things just got really interesting..... Maybe
http://m.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Russian-ground-troops-arrive-in-Syria-in-unprecedented-military-action-435024#article=6017OENFMjBGNTMxQkNERDJFM0FGRDczM0JFMDU0QkE4RDc=
http://m.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Russian-ground-troops-arrive-in-Syria-in-unprecedented-military-action-435024#article=6017OENFMjBGNTMxQkNERDJFM0FGRDczM0JFMDU0QkE4RDc=
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/24/turkish-f-16-shoots-down-russian-fighter-jet-near-syria-border/
Sorry for the poor formatting: I'm on my mobile device.
In short: a Russian SU-24 has been shot down in Syria (that it crashed in Syria is not in dispute)
Whether it was in Turkish or Syrian airspace is being disputed, and whether a Turk F-16 brought it down, or ground fire.
Either way, not good...
Sorry for the poor formatting: I'm on my mobile device.
In short: a Russian SU-24 has been shot down in Syria (that it crashed in Syria is not in dispute)
Whether it was in Turkish or Syrian airspace is being disputed, and whether a Turk F-16 brought it down, or ground fire.
Either way, not good...
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Technoviking said:
Will Russia retaliate now.... Some more Caspian cruise missile strikes :warstory:
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OK, OK, perhaps this should have gone in the "On the lighter side," thread, but according to our putative future head of state “We’re seeing a classic case of not dealing with the problem, because, I mean, it sounds awful to say, but some of us were saying 20 something years ago
that if we didn’t tackle these issues you would see ever greater conflict over scarce resources and ever greater difficulties over drought, and the accumulating effect of climate change, which means that people have to move.
And, in fact, there’s very good evidence indeed that one of the major reasons for this horror in Syria, funnily enough, was a drought that lasted for about five or six years, which meant that huge numbers of people in the end had to leave the land.”
Asked if there was a direct link between climate change, conflict and terrorism, he said it had a “huge impact on what is happening.”
I agree with Tom Sykes, the Daily Beast journalist who wrote the piece that:
"The argument that the civil war in Syria may at root be a resource war—and one to which global warming has contributed—is in itself not without merit.
The concept that wars are increasingly an outcome of climate change is a fascinating thesis, and one that university professors the world over should be discussing for years to come.
However, it’s hard to think of something less appropriate for the Prince of Wales, the heir to the British throne, to say in a television interview."
I have said, elsewhere on Army.ca that we need a different, Canadian "head of state," while retaining our status as both a Westminster style parliamentary democracy with a "figurehead" head of state (like e.g. Germany and India, for example) and a member of the British Commonwealth.
that if we didn’t tackle these issues you would see ever greater conflict over scarce resources and ever greater difficulties over drought, and the accumulating effect of climate change, which means that people have to move.
And, in fact, there’s very good evidence indeed that one of the major reasons for this horror in Syria, funnily enough, was a drought that lasted for about five or six years, which meant that huge numbers of people in the end had to leave the land.”
Asked if there was a direct link between climate change, conflict and terrorism, he said it had a “huge impact on what is happening.”
I agree with Tom Sykes, the Daily Beast journalist who wrote the piece that:
"The argument that the civil war in Syria may at root be a resource war—and one to which global warming has contributed—is in itself not without merit.
The concept that wars are increasingly an outcome of climate change is a fascinating thesis, and one that university professors the world over should be discussing for years to come.
However, it’s hard to think of something less appropriate for the Prince of Wales, the heir to the British throne, to say in a television interview."
I have said, elsewhere on Army.ca that we need a different, Canadian "head of state," while retaining our status as both a Westminster style parliamentary democracy with a "figurehead" head of state (like e.g. Germany and India, for example) and a member of the British Commonwealth.
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The twitterverse is reporting that both Russian pilots are dead. Video of one of the pilots lying dead on the ground surrounded by rebels is circulating the web.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621677/Reports-Russian-helicopter-shot-down-while-searching-downed-jets
One of the helicopters searching for the pilots has been possibly shot down.
One of the helicopters searching for the pilots has been possibly shot down.
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Because of a statement made to the media which you personally dislike? Ridiculous. I'd rather hear him say more than less, even if I might disagree, but he can't win. Either the monarch is invisible and accused of being irrelevant, or outspoken and accused of not being irrelevant enough.
And now the thread gets derailed.
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Putin has halted military to military communication with Turkish forces.The Turks will be forced to lay out their case in a press conference.If they are right then it shouldnt take long to produce evidence.What is odd is that the Russian aircraft when confronted by 2 F-16's not only didnt communicate their intentions but possibly ignored the Turkish pilots.It was a very lopsided engagement.The entire Turkish F-16 fleet had recently been upgraded so out dated Russian aircraft will have little chance against the F-16.
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I seem to recall Turko-Russian wars were not an uncommon occurrence in the 19th century. Perhaps everything old is truly new again (one of them involved the Crimea, if I'm to believe Harry Flashman's memoirs) [
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After seeing the footage of the barbarians shooting at the aircrew as they were helpless makes me hope and pray the Russians bomb these savages into the stone age and oblivion.
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Wow. Quite high opinion of your post's significance.Marchog said:
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jollyjacktar said:
They already were. Turkey probably wasn't impressed with the Russians coming down to bomb ethnic Turkmen instead of ISIS. I'd be hard pressed to not shoot at a pilot that had just been dropping bombs on me
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You'd still not do it nevertheless. That's what separates us from the savages.
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