Wonderbread said:The training principles that Kratos is describing are being applied by REAL soldiers on REAL courses.
CDN Aviator said:Yup and for every real soldier or an real cours that says "A" is the greatest thing ever, you will find an equaly real soldier on an equaly real course that says "B" is better and that "A" is utter rubbish.
People find what works for them. Simple as that.
I'm pretty sure i passed a real course or 2..........
Yup and for every real soldier or an real cours that says "A" is the greatest thing ever, you will find an equaly real soldier on an equaly real course that says "B" is better and that "A" is utter rubbish.
Wonderbread said:In should be overwhelmingly obvious that one side of this discussion is offering much better advice than the other side.
Kratos said:What's wrong with Mark Rippetoe? He has nothing to do with bodybuilding and is probably the most highly regarded beginner/intermediate strength coach out there. Starting Strength and Starting Strength Second Edition are two of the best training books ever produced. With that said, I don't understand what you're saying there.
Seriously? There are tons of people who lift under eight reps for the main lifts (ie. Squat, bench, DL). I don't do anything over 5 for those three, with majority of the work done at three and under. Some of the strongest guys I know don't do anything more than singles.
How are they ridiculous? You're still saying "good" chest as if your talking about aesthetics. I know guys benching high 300s - mid 400s that don't do incline or decline. They probably don't know what they're doing, though.
Not only that, if you cannot do more than one excersise other than the bench press then obviously something is wrong....there is more to the chest than the bench press.....you know when youre muscles get too used to an excersise? Then you will no longer gain what you used to....which is why it is good to always switch up the workouts....but to limit yourself to only one workout is absurd.
And no, it's not dumb.
You can have absolutely no training background, go do a one day course and become a "certified" personal trainers. Please.
I speak to the ones that work at my gym on occasion and hear the advice they give out. It makes me want to stab my ear drums out.
Plus, I really like the "proof is in the pudding" idea. Why would I ask a 150 lb weak person for advice on how to become strong? I wouldn't.
George Wallace said:And neither wants to concede to the other.........So your point?
CDN Aviator said:People want to be ready for BMQ, here is the all time bestest method :
- Go running;
- Do lots of pushups;
- Do lots of situps; and
- Do lots of chinups if you can.
Do the above and you wont have a problem and you wont have to wear chucks and chalk on your hands.
scottyg said:I do not know where you work out but to do anything under 5 reps seems absurd to me. .
scottyg said:In no way am i talking about bodybuilding...if you look at it from the side of Kratos he is saying that the people who are big are the strong ones, and the people who are "150lb" he would never take advice from. How about you look at people in the UFC and do not even judge their ability to fight. If you ever see some of them training you would realize how strong they are, yet many are not over 150 pounds or even 175.
What would be the most realistic path to take if you were to join the military? It would be to be somewhere in between, so you are strong but you can also do the pushups and chinups required and still have good cardio. I guarantee the 250+ pound people in any gym have no cardio, unless they are a rare breed or exceptionally tall. All I am saying is that is extremely more realistic and useful for someone joining the army to do more reps and less weight, because this is what will be required of you. Think your Sgt. is gonna say drop and give me a 300lb bench press? It's not useful to what the guy was looking for. And also, the thing by Mark or whatever his face is is a highly controversial chart, seeing as this is one of the most contested arguments in lifting weight there is (more weight less reps or less weight more reps).
I do not know where you work out but to do anything under 5 reps seems absurd to me. I saw the post by Stymeist, and I have read others like it...if you notice the title is for beginners, and it is used for them to get used to weight training.
Its impossible to argue this, but either way, for the army and the fitness level you need to achieve, my method is superior to yours. If only because it makes your muscles more used to the STRAIN, because yours would get them used to heavier strain but less time.
scottyg said:And have you ever heard of muscle memory? If you keep only doing the bench press then your muscles will get too used to it and will not break as much as they did before, and thus it will limit your ability to move up and limit the power in your chest. Which is why the "LOLZOR PECDECK" is important, as long with incline and decline, not only do they work other muscles, they also change up the way your muscles are lifting, which is important, or else you will have problems with muscle memory.
scottyg said:Although you'd look really awesome if you did wear those, right Kratos?
CDN Aviator said:Maybe you guys should switch to pistols at dawn :
Kratos said:Maybe you should contribute something?
Or do you just know nothing about the subject?