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Sept 2012: U.S. Ambassador in Libya and two others killed in attack of consulate

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tomahawk6 said:
An AC-130 or two would have been perfect for taking out the 150 jihadists that had attacked the consulate/annex. A QRF of sorts made it to the consulate to save the other staff members.Marines or SEALs could have been dispatched from the 6th Fleet.

You know this for a fact? 

I read in another forum that the ambassador would have been turned to red splatter if an AC-130 fired around the consulate. I am not an expect on AC-130 weapons but from some recently viewed youtube videos in contrast with the Libyan Embassy size, I am not sure and AC-130 would have been much help. Fox news though believes "there were AC-130S in the area and they could have lowered F-16s" .  Not sure what this means either!  :facepalm:  Will be interesting to find out where the hold up was.

 
There would have been plenty of targets in the open including at least one mortar crew.It would have been the weapon of choice for me.
 
Skyhigh10,......while I applaud your skeptisism about internet information I have an advantage of knowing who, and what, T-6 was and I'll take him at his word. [even if he does get a little carried away with Mr. Obama bashing]
 
tomahawk6 said:
There would have been plenty of targets in the open including at least one mortar crew.It would have been the weapon of choice for me.


Good enough for me.  Like I said I am not an expert with this machine. The fact that those weapons aboard can be so precise is quite fascinating.   
 
This video demonstrates how surgical the gunship can be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OkoWEMCnLQ&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3DAC-130%2Bgunship%2Bvideo%26oq%3DAC-130%2Bgunship%2Bvideo%26gs_l%3Dyoutube.3...4770.12980.0.13366.20.17.0.3.3.0.114.979.16j1.17.0...0.0...1ac.1.SZiAFSuAwjM&has_verified=1
 
The administration is continuing the coverup, but using pretty stupid tactics, counting on the studied indifference of the Legacy Media. This incident will probably discredit the administration the way Watergate discredited Richard Nixon, not to mention leaving a massive problem in Libya and the potential to spread throughout North Africa (Think of Mali, and the takover of large parts of that country by Islamic radicals. Now look at the map and see how close to Nigeria Mali is...Now think of the Muslim Brotherhood gaining power in Egypt. Too bad we don't have some sort of Smart Diplomacy to deal with that).

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/23/Benghazi-Gate-Now-Cover-Up-Of-Cover-Up

Benghazi-Gate Enters New Phase: The Cover Up of the Cover Up
by John Nolte 23 Nov 2012 199 post a comment

It now looks as though the White House's excuse for the pre-election Libya cover-up is itself a cover up. Last week we were told by the Administration (and the compliant media) that during her now-infamous round robin of five Sunday news shows, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice was only telling us what she was told by the intelligence community. We were also told that references to al-Qaeda were edited out of the talking points in order to avoid tipping off the attackers that we were on to them. According to a number of CBS News' sources, this simply isn't true.

As recently as yesterday, though, Rice doubled down on this defense: "I relied soley and squarely on the information provided to me by the intelligence community. I made clear that the information was preliminary and that our investigations would give us the definitive answers."

At first glance, Rice's comments might not appear to move the ball, but they do tell us that the Administration has found its defense and intends to stick to it -- that defense being that Rice was only parroting the false information she was given. But now, thanks to some good reporting from CBS News, we know things weren't that simple.

Let's back up just a little bit…

Last week, former CIA Chief Davis Petraeus testified that within a day he knew the assault on our consulate in Benghazi was a premeditated terrorist attack committed by a Libyan militia with ties to al-Qaeda. As a result, Petraeus authorized the release of this information to the public in talking points to be given to the White House and to lawmakers. CBS News reports that references to al-Qaeda were later removed by Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) -- an agency run by James Clapper, an Obama appointee. The FBI also made substantial edits.

But here's where the plot thickens.

DNI spokesman Shawn Turner told CBS News, "The intelligence community assessed from the very beginning that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack." He added that this classified information was shared with the White House. CBS News then quite correctly concludes that, as a member of Obama's cabinet, Susan Rice would would've known this. All cabinet members are given classified briefings.

The bottom line, then, is that during her Sunday show appearances, Rice knew the information she was spreading was false. 

In reference to the edited talking points, another source told CBS News that… [emphasis added]

"The points were not, as has been insinuated by some, edited to minimize the role of extremists, diminish terrorist affiliations, or play down that this was an attack," the official tells CBS News, adding that there were "legitimate intelligence and legal issues to consider, as is almost always the case when explaining classified assessments publicly."

"Most people understand that saying 'extremists' were involved in a direct assault on the mission isn't shying away from the idea of terrorist involvement," added the official. "Because of the various elements involved in the attack, the term extremist was meant to capture the range of participants."

This is important because if the talking points were not edited "to minimize the role of extremists," that, then, was a decision Susan Rice made all on her own (with likely prompting from the White House ). The same goes for White House spokesman Jay Carney and the President himself, both of whom would spend nearly two weeks spinning this same false narrative.

This false White House narrative, which only sharpened over time, was all about a spontaneous protest over a YouTube video that turned into a deadly riot. But if the edited talking points were not meant to "diminish terrorist affiliations, or play down that this was an attack," that was a decision the White House made, and one that conflicts entirely with the excuse that they were simply telling us what they were told by the intelligence community.

And it wasn't just the fact that the White House chose to focus on the YouTube video. Time and again, for nearly two weeks, Rice and Carney would go the extra mile in this deception by telling the media that there was absolutely no evidence the assault on our consulate was premeditated.

Finally, the primary defense for the editing of al-Qaeda out of the talking points is this ridiculous notion that we didn't want the group responsible for the attack to know we were after them. That never came close to passing the smell test, and now the intelligence community is pushing back against that nonsense:

[A]n intelligence source tells CBS News correspondent Margaret Brennan the links to al Qaeda were deemed too "tenuous" to make public, because there was not strong confidence in the person providing the intelligence.

In other words, the removing of the al-Qaeda references wasn't about tipping anyone off; it was about making sure it was this particular al-Qaeda affiliated militia. There was never any doubt the attack was a premeditated terror attack, but amongst all the extremists in Libya, we just weren't sure which one was responsible.

So, if what CBS is reporting is true, this is what we know now:

1. At the time, Susan Rice knew the information she repeated five times on five Sunday shows wasn't true.

2. The edited talking points were never meant to deceive and conceal the fact that what happened in Libya was a terror attack. And yet, that's exactly what Rice and the White House did for nearly two weeks.

3. Contrary to what the White House and media told us, the talking points were not edited to keep the group responsible for the attack from knowing we were on to them. Therefore…

4. We were lied to for reasons that had nothing to do with national security.

5.  The media's going to allow the Obama Administration to get away with this. (Why else would CBS play down its own story the way they did this one?)

Everything goes back to the motive for this cover up, which, apparently, was to run out the clock to Election Day with a Narrative meant to hide the fact that on Obama's watch there was a successful terror attack that resulted in the murder of an American ambassador and three other Americans. And let's also not forget that, just a few days before the attack, at his nominating convention, Obama bragged before the whole world that "al-Qaeda is on the path to defeat."

The American people understand that deception is sometimes necessary in the name of national security. But no one believes that's the case here.

This cover up, which the media has happily become a co-conspirator to, was only about winning Obama a second term.

And now the cover up of the cover up is in full swing.

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More interesting things that have been stuffed down the memory hole regarding the Benghazi attack. This is from yesterday's Instapundit (29 Nov 2012):

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/

IS THE PRESS turning on Susan Rice? “Well, when Right Turn and Mother Jones agree, is there any room for doubt? (Or maybe it’s the sign of the apocalypse?)”

Related: “Rice was always expendable. She was the capsule into which the Benghazi scandal was enclosed for burial.”

Say, speaking of that, what about all the people who were rescued from the Consulate? What are their names? Why haven’t we heard anything from them?

UPDATE: Reader Robert Frick emails:

    Regarding your question about the people rescued during the Benghazi attack on Sept 11, 2012, I would guess the reason the public has not been told who they are is because most if not all are CIA. The work they were doing may be classified and/or they are under a general order not to talk to the press. This is fairly common for people who work for intelligence services. Classified status of course has never stopped press outlets like the NY Times from publishing details of secret projects when it serves a political purpose. Still, I don’t see why an outfit like FOX News or a foreign press couldn’t at the very least publish a general expose that doesn’t reveal names.

    Who the people extracted from Benghazi that night are is just one of the questions I’ve been waiting for the press to ask ever since we learned of this horrific incident. The others are what exactly was Ambassador Stevens doing in Benghazi the day he was murdered, and if the president really gave an order to do everything possible to help the remaining men still under attack, who countermanded him with the Stand Down order? I don’t know what’s more shameful – a likely presidential cover-up or the refusal of the American press to inquire seriously about it.


If all the people in the Consulate — not the CIA Annex a mile away, but the actual Consulate — were CIA, then that would be quite unusual, and would suggest that there was a lot going on. It would also support the claim that the attack on the consulate was an effort to free jihadis who had been seized and held for interrogation, though by all accounts that was going on over at the Annex. But who knows? There’s certainly not much press interest in reporting on it.
 
Its been revealed that Susan Rice and her hubby a Canadian citizen own over $300,000 in TransCanadian stock,which might be considered a conflict of interest if she were Sec of State.

http://pfds.opensecrets.org/N99999935_2011.pdf
 
tomahawk6 said:
Its been revealed that Susan Rice and her hubby a Canadian citizen own over $300,000 in TransCanadian stock,which might be considered a conflict of interest if she were Sec of State.

http://pfds.opensecrets.org/N99999935_2011.pdf

And your point is?
 
My point is that the administration will use this to withdraw her nomination as Sec of State. Also revealed were her ties to companies that continue to do business with Iran despite the sanctions.The group that has revealed this info is a left wing think tank.
 
So owning shares in the company building the Keystone pipeline would disqualify her from holding the position? If that were true, then the entire congress needs to do a rethink about what constitutes conflict of interest.
 
Since the Secretary of State is involved in things like the process of negotiating pipelines and trade agreements, then share holdings in may different companies would set that person up for a conflict of interest.

Jane Jacobs wrote about this many years ago in "Systems of Survival", suggesting that we return to the strict separation of the "protecting" class from the "merchant" class, in a similar fashion to how many ancient societies used social sanctions as a way to separate and prevent (or at least reduce) conflicts of interest. In modern politics the abuse of power is exactly how politicians seem able to retire as millionaires (Checking out things like Shawinigate or the strange tax exemptions of CSL demonstrates that we are certainly not immune).
 
First of all, no on has been nominated yet.

Second, she can divest herself of the stocks prior to the confirmation.

But then again, we also have Mitt Romney on the record stating that Blind Trusts are bogus as well.

People need to stop trying to play gotcha politics. The only person who should be paying a price is the dumb ass in the Administration that thought it would be a good idea to put the UN Ambassador out as the spokesperson.
 
Thucydides said:
Since the Secretary of State is involved in things like the process of negotiating pipelines and trade agreements, then share holdings in may different companies would set that person up for a conflict of interest.

Jane Jacobs wrote about this many years ago in "Systems of Survival", suggesting that we return to the strict separation of the "protecting" class from the "merchant" class, in a similar fashion to how many ancient societies used social sanctions as a way to separate and prevent (or at least reduce) conflicts of interest. In modern politics the abuse of power is exactly how politicians seem able to retire as millionaires (Checking out things like Shawinigate or the strange tax exemptions of CSL demonstrates that we are certainly not immune).
This is notable beacuse even though I am diametrically oposed to you on the political spectrum I agree with you completely.
 
Using the same people gets the same results. Susan Rice has an ...interesting...track record WRT Africa and American interests. Interested parties can also research her role in the Rwanda genocides:

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/113012-635391-rice-involved-in-1998-embassy-bombings.htm?p=full

For Susan Rice, Benghazi Was Kenya 1998 Deja Vu

Posted 11/30/2012 06:51 PM ET
 
Parallels: A mission was attacked after warnings, Americans were killed after security requests were denied, and a diplomat went on TV to explain it all — our current U.N. ambassador, after embassy bombings in 1998.

'What troubles me so much is the Benghazi attack in many ways echoes the attacks on both embassies in 1998, when Susan Rice was head of the African region for our State Department," Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said Wednesday after two hours with our U.N. ambassador. "In both cases, the ambassador begged for additional security."

In both cases, Susan Rice was involved more than she would like to admit.

In the spring of 1998, Prudence Bushnell, the U.S. ambassador to Kenya, sent an emotional letter to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright begging for a more secure embassy in the face of mounting terrorist threats and a warning that she was the target of an assassination plot.

The State Department had repeatedly denied her request, citing a lack of money. But that kind of response, she wrote Albright, was "endangering the lives of embassy personnel."

A matter of months later, on Aug. 7, 1998, the American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya were simultaneously attacked with car bombs. In Kenya, 12 American diplomats and more than 200 Africans were killed.

As in Benghazi, requests for more security were denied, warnings were issued, prior incidents were ignored and Susan Rice went on TV to explain it all.

Within 24 hours, Rice, then assistant secretary of state for African affairs, went on PBS as spokesperson for the administration — just as she was regarding Benghazi when she parroted the administration's false narrative on five Sunday talk shows on Sept. 16, 2012, that Benghazi was caused by a flash mob enraged by an Internet video. Then, as now, she worked for a Clinton.

Also then, as now, she went on TV to claim, falsely, that we "maintain a high degree of security at all of our embassies at all times" and that we "had no telephone warning or call of any sort like that, that might have alerted either embassy just prior to the blast." There were plenty of warnings and our East African diplomats were begging for help as Ambassador Chris Stevens was in Benghazi.

Eerie similarities between Benghazi and Nairobi are many. A review of the attacks showed the CIA repeatedly told State Department officials in Washington and in the Kenya embassy that there was an active terrorist cell in Kenya connected to Osama bin Laden, who masterminded the attack.

The CIA and FBI investigated at least three terrorist threats in Nairobi in the year before the bombing. Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, had visited Nairobi on his own and warned that the Nairobi embassy was an easy and tempting target for terrorists.

For Susan Rice and her defenders to claim that she had "nothing to with Benghazi," that she was an innocent victim of altered talking points, is completely bogus. Did she also have "nothing to do with" Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in Tanzania? She should have remembered Nairobi 1998, and perhaps she did. There was no flash mob then or now, only another willful disregard for American security, part of a naive dismissal of a very real terrorist threat.

Surely, Collins added, "given her position ... she had to be aware of the general threat assessment and the ambassadors' repeated requests for more security ... (h)er actions — and whether or not lessons were learned from the 1998 attacks on our embassies in Africa — are important questions."

Indeed they are, and we're still waiting for some real answers. One thing is clear — Susan Rice is unqualified to be secretary of state.

Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/113012-635391-rice-involved-in-1998-embassy-bombings.htm#ixzz2DvnCCrvO
 
Breaking News:

Benghazi attack review finds systematic State Dept failures but no officials breached duty

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/benghazi-attack-review-finds-systematic-state-dept-failures-but-no-officials-breached-duty/2012/12/18/1b5bbd98-4983-11e2-8af9-9b50cb4605a7_story.html?hpid=z1

WASHINGTON — An independent panel charged with investigating the deadly Sept. 11 attack in Libya that killed a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans has concluded that systematic management failures at the State Department led to inadequate security that left the diplomatic mission vulnerable.

Despite those failures, the Accountability Review Board determined that no individual American officials ignored or violated their duties and found no cause for any disciplinary action. The board found that contrary to initial reports, there was no protest outside the mission and blamed the incident entirely on terrorists.

The State Department sent a classified version of the report to lawmakers Tuesday and released an unclassified version later Tuesday. The report makes 29 recommendations to improve embassy security. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said she accepted them all.
 
Clinton not responsible for Benghazi shortcomings: inquiry
Wed Dec 19, 2012
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The leaders of an official inquiry into the fatal attack on a U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, did not find Secretary of State Hillary Clinton responsible for security lapses even as they outlined widespread failings within her department.

The unclassified version of the report, released late Tuesday by the State Department, concluded that the mission was completely unprepared to deal with a September 11 attack that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

Responsibility for security shortcomings in Benghazi lay farther down the State Department command chain, said Retired Ambassador Thomas Pickering, who lead the inquiry.

"We fixed (responsibility) at the assistant secretary level, which is, in our view, the appropriate place to look for where the decision-making in fact takes place, where - if you like - the rubber hits the road," Pickering said after closed-door meetings with congressional committees.

A deputy assistant secretary in the Bureau of Near Eastern affairs resigned after the report, a Capitol Hill source said. Media outlets reported other resignations, including Eric Boswell, the assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, one of his deputies and another official.

State Department officials declined to comment.

The report by the Accountability Review Board probing the attack and comments by its two lead authors suggested that Clinton, who accepted responsibility for the incident, would not be held personally culpable.

"The secretary of state has been very clear about taking responsibility here, it was from my perspective not reasonable in terms of her having a specific level of knowledge," said retired Admiral Michael Mullen, the former chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff and the other inquiry leader. 

Continued...
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tomahawk6 said:
Pretty incredible result - No Harm No Foul. BS !!!

Hmm.  So you are saying that the CJCS should be held personally responsible every time a soldier dies in combat?
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Hmm.  So you are saying that the CJCS should be held personally responsible every time a soldier dies in combat?

You know better than that. The decision makers in this case should be held to account. That doesnt mean that Hillary should be fired. But she does deserve the blame as does the President.
The lower level folks are already falling on their swords. At least we could get a mea culpa from them.
 
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