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Saudis sending Canadian-made LAVs to combat Yemeni Rebels

And at the link, an apparently informed CBC opinion that Saudi Arabia is likely to invade Lebanon soon, and that the IDF has recently completed large scale exercises to take on Hezbollah while the Saudis deal with the rest.
A far reaching scenario, and if it were to happen would certainly involve the use of the LAV.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/war-middle-east-1.4407876
 
"Opinion" being the operative word.
 
and by what magical means does SA get through Syria in order to attack Lebanon?  Regardless of their collaboration I doubt very much that Israel would allow a Saudi armoured division to drive up the highway past Jerusalem on the way to the Lebanese border and I am even more certain that Damascus would file an objection or two
 
YZT580 said:
and by what magical means does SA get through Syria in order to attack Lebanon?  Regardless of their collaboration I doubt very much that Israel would allow a Saudi armoured division to drive up the highway past Jerusalem on the way to the Lebanese border and I am even more certain that Damascus would file an objection or two
by way of Egypt?
 
Well Egypt does have to shiny new Mistrals now with KA-52 attack helicopters and 12 LST/large landing craft with about 12 Frigates for support. Saudi has no landing craft by the looks of it and appears to have about 4 operational frigates. So any assault on Lebanon would need Egypt to back them. Likely the only thing Israel would do is to pin Hezbollah in place to prevent them for moving against the landing force, mainly through air and artillery assets. Highly unlikely the rank and file Egyptian soldier will willing take part in a joint battle with the IDF, particularly in Lebanon. 
 
daftandbarmy said:
Yes, of course, because they get along so well together  :sarcasm:
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/vivian-bercovici-you-can-thank-obama-for-the-looming-mideast-war-against-iran

As the world welcomed the demise of ISIL’s reign of terror in the Mideast, it largely missed a more spectacular development: the entrenchment of Iranian power and control, from Tehran to the Mediterranean Sea, controlling large swaths of Syria and all of Lebanon, and strategic outposts in Yemen and Libya. As ISIL filled the vacuum left by the abdication of American power by the Obama administration, so now Iran will occupy the space left by ISIL.

Iran openly brays its desire for the destruction of Israel and its intention to spread its extreme, radical and violent brand of Islam throughout the region. In Iran’s sights are Jordan, the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia.

The Obama administration romanced Iran, but snubbed and even humiliated traditional American allies, like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE and Kuwait. As a result, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, two significant powers threatened and marginalized by Obama’s pro-Iranian policy, have become close and unlikely allies of Israel. Strategic, political, military and intelligence co-operation among these countries is reported to be deeply entrenched and close.

Well enough it seems.
 
Really, Altair !!!

Relying on the baseless opinion of Vivian Bercovici. Vivian Bercovici! Why not ask the disinformation branch of the Mossad to write the opinion piece to start with, and have it done with?

Pro-Saudi, yet calling Iran's brand of Islam "extreme, radical and violent"? That's the pot calling the kettle black, if I ever saw a practical application of the expression.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Really, Altair !!!

Relying on the baseless opinion of Vivian Bercovici. Vivian Bercovici!
You mean there's more to "expertise" than the ability to cut & paste?  ???

Inconceivable.  :pop:
 
From my reading the ties with Israel and the KSA goes back to the 60's with secret information exchanges and support by Israel, funded by KSA for
Royalist Yemen rebels against Nasser Egyptian forces.

Here is an article from 2016 of an IDF general interviewed by a Saudi paper https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-spokesperson-tells-saudi-paper-iran-should-beware/

and 4 days ago https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.823163

Let's face it, the ME is an soap opera with dire consequences, it's unlikley that people can make up the scheme and alliances that form and dissolve as time goes by. 
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Really, Altair !!!

Relying on the baseless opinion of Vivian Bercovici. Vivian Bercovici! Why not ask the disinformation branch of the Mossad to write the opinion piece to start with, and have it done with?

Pro-Saudi, yet calling Iran's brand of Islam "extreme, radical and violent"? That's the pot calling the kettle black, if I ever saw a practical application of the expression.
Oh for the love of all...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/08/23/understanding_the_israeli-egyptian-saudi_alliance_123742.html

Not Vivian.

The partnership that has emerged in this war between Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia is a direct consequence of Obama’s abandonment of the US’s traditional allies. Recognizing the threat that Hamas, as a component part of the Sunni jihadist alliance, constitutes for their own regimes, and in the absence of American support for Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia have worked with Israel to defeat Hamas and keep Gaza’s borders sealed.

That count?
 
Cloud Cover said:
And at the link, an apparently informed CBC opinion that Saudi Arabia is likely to invade Lebanon soon, and that the IDF has recently completed large scale exercises to take on Hezbollah while the Saudis deal with the rest.
A far reaching scenario, and if it were to happen would certainly involve the use of the LAV.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/war-middle-east-1.4407876
While you did manage to find a tenuous conection to the thread subject, your post really is 90 degrees off topic from Canadian manufactured armoured vehicle sales. Maybe there was a better place to make the post.
 
Journeyman said:
Inconceivable.  :pop:

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More on the "why" of Saudi military activity in Yemen:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/20/washington-battles-isis-iran-broadens-its-reach/?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTmpBMFl6STBNREJoTmpFMSIsInQiOiJpTFJmVHhmMmZwYkh2bUlmVE9Yck9zWnV2cWQ2NFlrSGErUFgyeFhcL2lySzNwa0JTcWR4XC9NSHRUTVBxZ3lcL012Q0hsaU0zUTZXSnl6d3ZCV3JXclNXZmxPN0pRdHVudnpxZ0FCSUw5d3RuYVpGU0YyY1hVUEU5ekEyUjJmbWxOcCJ9

Iran’s imperial project
By Ilan Berman - - Monday, November 20, 2017
ANALYSIS/OPINION:
Iran is on the march in the Middle East.

Over the past year, a steady drumbeat of news reports from the Persian Gulf, intelligence assessments regarding Syria’s civil war, and firsthand accounts out of Iraq, Lebanon and beyond has pointed to an inescapable conclusion: Iran is erecting a new empire in the region.
In truth, this effort has been underway for some time. Already three years ago, the contours of Iran’s regional ambitions were coming into focus. With the seizure of Yemen’s capital, Sana’a, by the country’s Iranian-supported Houthi rebels in the fall of 2014, the Islamic Republic of Iran could effectively claim control of four Arab regional capitals (including Beirut, Damascus and Baghdad).

Since then, Tehran’s grip on those territories has only tightened. In Syria, Iran’s strategic footprint has expanded steadily, to the point at which Tehran is now reportedly planning a permanent military presence in the country as part of its partnership with the regime of Bashar Assad. In Lebanon, working via its chief terrorist proxy, Hezbollah, the Islamic republic has become so dominant in national politics that it prompted Saudi Arabia to force the resignation of the country’s prime minister, Saad Hariri, earlier this month. Meanwhile in Iraq, Iran’s support for the hashd al-shaabi, the powerful Shiite militias that now dominate the country’s Ministry of Interior, has made it a key stakeholder in (and the most likely winner of) the country’s national elections next year. And in Yemen, the expanding power of the Houthis, and the threat that they pose to neighboring Saudi Arabia as well as to American forces in the Gulf, has had everything to do with growing political and military support from Tehran.

Nevertheless, the pace of Iran’s imperial project is now accelerating in at least two ways.

First, mounting evidence from the Syrian theater indicates that Iran has succeeded in deploying a formidable expeditionary force of fighters there. Historically, Iran’s clerical army, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, has served as the regime’s dedicated foreign legion. But the Syrian civil war has provided Iranian officials with an opportunity to marshal a supplemental cadre of irregular fighters and “volunteers,” drawn from Iraq’s Shiite militias as well as places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen. The result is a secondary Iranian proxy force that, according to some estimates, could number as many as 200,000 men under arms, and which can be deployed by Tehran to other theaters in the future, once the war in Syria dies down.

Second, Iran has succeeded in establishing resupply routes to funnel both personnel and materiel to the Levant. As Michael Pregent of the Hudson Institute has mapped out, Iran’s growing control over Iraq via the hashd al-shaabi has created a land corridor that provides a direct transport link into Syria for Iranian forces and arms. This has been supplemented by an “air bridge” of flights spearheaded by Iran’s national air carrier, Iran Air, which has helped to ferry both guerrillas and Guardsmen to the Syrian front. The end result is a zone of Iranian control stretching from territorial Iran all the way to the Eastern Mediterranean.

What has made all this possible? A large portion of the blame rests with the 2015 nuclear deal concluded between Iran and the P5+1 powers. That agreement proffered enormous economic benefits to the Islamic Republic in hopes that, over time, it would lead to a moderation of the Iranian regime. Instead, the opposite has happened. The extensive sanctions relief built into the deal has provided Iran’s ailing economy a much-needed fiscal shot in the arm, and freed up funds that Iran has poured into its proxy forces and its military modernization efforts.

The United States does not yet have an answer to Iran’s growing imperial impulse. In his Oct. 13 speech, President Trump promised a new, “comprehensive” strategy to curtail the contemporary threat posed by the Islamic republic. But such an approach is not yet in evidence. To the contrary, recent U.S. efforts in the Middle East have actually helped to fuel Tehran’s adventurism.

Today, policymakers in Washington remain preoccupied with degrading and defeating the Islamic State terrorist group in Iraq and Syria. As a result, they have paid scant attention to how other regional actors might be empowered by our counterterrorism fight. And they have spent even less time figuring out what, precisely, we can do to prevent the Islamic State’s decline from becoming a boon for Tehran, both in Syria and in the broader region.

The formidable strategic gains made to date by Iran, and the growing imperial appetite of its rulers, suggest that they should.

• Ilan Berman is senior vice president of the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington, D.C.
 
CBC just filed an "EXCLUSIVE" article on the sale of LAVs to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arms-deal-1.4579772

Anyone here who hasn't known about this for several years?

Oh wait. Here's a Globe and Mail article from Jan 2016:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-saudi-arms-deal-what-weve-learned-so-far/article28180299/

*** Staff edit: due to guidelines ***

And the Winnipeg Free Press in Feb 2015:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/saudi-sale-guts-canadas-principles-305792801.html

Even a blogger got it right in Jan 2015

https://yvesengler.com/tag/saudi-arabia/

and here

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/01/23/Canada-Saudi-Arabia-Weapons-Deal/

After 4 years they've finally been able to get a snippet of the numbers of vehicles which may or may not be included. Really diligent work there CBC. You're worth every penny of the $675 billion we give you each year.

:cheers:
 
It does have the Kumbaya brigades on full howl in the comments section.
 
FJAG said:
CBC just filed an "EXCLUSIVE" article on the sale of LAVs to Saudi Arabia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arms-deal-1.4579772

Anyone here who hasn't known about this for several years?

Oh wait. Here's a Globe and Mail article from Jan 2016:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-saudi-arms-deal-what-weve-learned-so-far/article28180299/

*** Staff edit: Due to site guidelines. ***

And the Winnipeg Free Press in Feb 2015:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/analysis/saudi-sale-guts-canadas-principles-305792801.html

Even a blogger got it right in Jan 2015

https://yvesengler.com/tag/saudi-arabia/

and here

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/01/23/Canada-Saudi-Arabia-Weapons-Deal/

After 4 years they've finally been able to get a snippet of the numbers of vehicles which may or may not be included. Really diligent work there CBC. You're worth every penny of the $675 billion we give you each year.

:cheers:

Certainly worth it to the Liberals anyway. 
 
When a car salesman sells a hot fast car to a young customer they don’t lecture them on safe driving etc. Just a stupid observation 😉
 
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