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Relevance? Djibouti is even further away from Mali than the previously-mocked Uganda.tomahawk6 said:The USN took over Camp Lemonnier and the Chinese have a naval base in country.
Relevance? Djibouti is even further away from Mali than the previously-mocked Uganda.tomahawk6 said:The USN took over Camp Lemonnier and the Chinese have a naval base in country.
PuckChaser said:I lived through that. For Op ATTENTION Roto 1, someone decided just before silly week that there wasn't enough reservists deploying. We had started predeployment training in September (for the Force Pro guys) and Mid October for everyone else. Individuals who had just done 6-8 weeks of predeployment training were told they weren't going, just before Christmas, and we had to scramble to train a bunch of reservists in January for a mid-Feb deployment. They even had a hard time finding reservists to fill the slots, because all the ones that wanted to deploy had put their names in and gotten the tour.
I also think its a completely different situation to equate a gender quota to a quota for reservists. No male in the CAF should think they are entitled to a tour over a woman, and if they do, they shouldn't be in the CAF. Quotas for reservists are arbitrary numbers and in no way involve discrimination on Charter grounds.
whiskey601 said:I’m going to try and be an optimist about the gender issue. Is it not true that the assholes the Griffons will hopefully gun down or the Chinooks will deliver in terms of smoking barrel hell, are the ones that need the gender education. I think there might be something satisfying in having CAF women have a big part in that. And, to be very clear, I wish no harm or bad luck whatsoever to come to any member of the Armed forces, I fully expect that the same expectations of selfless, non gender specific sacrifice be expected of same. Nobody on civvie street gave two shits when my friends got blown into a pink mist after their caskets rolled down the 401, will the citizenry we have feel the same just because of gender. I think “we can and must do better”. (#slaytoo!)
It’s time to step up ( Times Up!) what’s between the legs should not matter.* Again, to be very clear, I expect the cry baby Mr Dressup to be respectful of the sacrifice AND the delivery of death to assholes that need a good killing. In fact, I would like to see the words “Bitchin Ride” chalked on a Griffon.
* edit: but what’s clearly in the mind of our PM apparently much of the time is exactly that.
Good post.E.R. Campbell said:I agree!
I served during the era (1960s to the mid 1990s) when we "integrated" the armed forces by welcoming women into most roles.
I commanded units (1970s (Middle East) an 1980s (Canada and Europe) when women appeared in increasing numbers.
Not all women did well in all occupations ... there are a few places (combat engineers, infantryman, gun number, loader-operator (do we still call them that?) and lineman) where stamina and superior body mass (muscle) make a soldier "better" but we have all seen that some women can excel in all those jobs, too. I was told, by a scientist, that women are, actually, stronger than men ~ broadly ~ when one measures the sort of "strength" that some jobs require: high performance fighter pilot was the one he was studying and he concluded that the "average" woman was "stronger," in the way that a jet fighter pilot needs to be, than the "average" man.
Yes we had both dinosaurs amongst the men and self-entitled cry-babies amongst the women ... just enough of each to be memorable. I recall the fuss I had to endure when, in the Middle East, I decided that it was an unnecessarily long hike from the female quarters to the places where most of my soldiers, male and female, worked and to our (better in every possible way) canteen and mess hall. I talked to some of the junior NCOs, male and female, and in short order we had a female "wing" in our barracks ~ one large, shared washroom, several rooms and a hallway door not locked!) for privacy. The door had a sign "Please respect our privacy ... knock and wait," I'm told it was all that was ever needed. I got push back from some male and female officers and WOs ... but nothing I (and my chum, the major nursing sister) could not bat down, easily. I was happier because my soldiers, male and female, were happier. The guys now knew that the ladies were not getting anything "special" just because they were female and the women felt "equal" in yet another way.
In general, and I'm thinking of RV-81 now, most females were able to do most jobs as well as most men, some females did some jobs better ... in the Middle East and in Canada and Europe I had super good luck with three or four, successive, senior crypto custodian NCOs. It's a mentally demanding job and it's one that sometimes requires the person to "correct" more senior NCOs and officers, including senior staff officers, for misusing crypto or registered materiel ... the custodian NCO must ALWAYS be 100% right, it's a tough job. I had a series of great NCOs ~ and I escaped censure for years and years because of them ~ who were ALL female ... to the point where, before arriving in one unit, I asked the career manager to post out a man I knew and didn't respect and replace him with a lady who had worked for me before. Incoming COs usually get one such request, they often use it for e.g. a sergeant major or adjutant; I took my "posting gift" at the rank of sergeant/WO (I wanted her promoted to WO and posted in before I got there).
Women are not better than men, nor are they worse ... maybe, in some small way, the CF can help some other countries to see that.
E.R. Campbell said:I was told, by a scientist, that women are, actually, stronger than men ~ broadly ~ when one measures the sort of "strength" that some jobs require:
Women are not better than men, nor are they worse ... maybe, in some small way, the CF can help some other countries to see that.
Jarnhamar said:Are we going to harm unit integrity when positions are outsourced to fill a gender-quota? Say a unit has to pull in members from 3 or 4 other units to meet a goal, if that's the case. What happens when it's the losing units turn deploying and deploys the same women out on back to back tours. Will members become burned out when we try and keep up the numbers? It's pretty small now, 250 pers, but it's not hard to imagine identity-based deployments becoming the norm with this government.
:Tin-Foil-Hat:
It probably has to go hand in hand with increasing the percentage of women in uniform.Dimsum said:That's a good point.
Altair said:It probably has to go hand in hand with increasing the percentage of women in uniform.
Jarnhamar said:. . .
So would the intent then be to show African countries that women are just as good as men? By the simple act of deploying a large number of them? Is that actually going to prove a point to them? Are they going to care that X% of members Canada deployed is female?
Dimsum said:Side track, but would the SAR Griffon pers be potentially tapped to do this? Obviously a different skill set, but is it something that can be taught on a quick OTU or similar?
Hang on.....so you're saying it's not peacekeeping?!Good2Golf said:.... to integrated armed helicopter operations in an area with an extant Al Qaeda-aligned terrorist force.
...eventually. LINKSajjan and Freeland also said they're getting closer to deploying a C-130 Hercules aircraft for tactical support in Entebbe, Uganda, which was promised back in November during a peacekeeping conference in Vancouver.
Canadian contributions to United Nations peace support operations
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Canada is a strong supporter of United Nations (UN) peacekeeping and will continue to play an important role by contributing high-end capabilities and specialized training...
The Canadian Armed Forces will make the following military capabilities available...
https://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2017/11/15/canadian-contributions-united-nations-peace-support-operations
- A Quick Reaction Force that includes approximately 200 personnel and accompanying equipment...