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Robocall et al issue - Fed 2011 election

Thucydides said:
The one clear violation of the EA is the Liberal Robocall is no party affiliation was declared by the caller.

The possible violation is the identity of the caller; if this is an actor and no one of that name really exists then impersonation of another person is also a violation of the EA.

Thank you for clarifying. It is certainly in violation of this one.

Election Advertising

Message must be authorized

320. A candidate or registered party, or a person acting on their behalf, who causes election advertising to be conducted shall mention in or on the message that its transmission was authorized by the official agent of the candidate or by the registered agent of the party, as the case may be.

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=loi/fel/cea&document=part16&lang=e#sec320

Now using the word "caught" makes a lot more sense. It seems insignificant when you compare it to voter suppression, but the Elections Act must be adhered to, even the smaller stuff.
 
Well, this could be an interesting day tomorrow.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/11/pierre-poutine-robocalls-3/

Pierre Poutine’ set to admit to role in robocalls scandal, sources say
 
Yep.  Answers will be forthcoming but I'm curious to see how all sides will spin this.  Sometimes some people can't believe things even if it smacks them in the face.

If this was a rogue individual, the opposition won't belive that.  If this person was directed by a higher authority then Conservatives will deny that as well.

What a goat rodeo.
 
Strange that most media isn't picking that story up.  Could it be it is a non story? 

I'm betting it was a 12 year old with time to spare.
 
There's also the question that hasn't been asked:

Could this have been an attempt to discredit the Torries? I know that's Machiavellian, but it wouldn't be the first time an ID was spoofed.
 
.... on the "+30K reports/contacts/complaints" filed with Elections Canada, at long, long last.

2 Mar 12, via Army.ca:
http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/104724/post-1120469.html#msg1120469
.... 31,000 contacts to Election's Canada on Robo Calls. I think I, and the NDP, might know why.

It was all over the media this morning. Reports of 31,000 complaints* to Elections Canada on Robo Calls. (*While it was clarified that it was 31,000 contacts and not complaints, the media ran with it often repeating the "complaints" line rather than the fact that they were contacts and not complaints)

What you didn't hear about from our ever vigilant media is just where those 'contacts' may have came from.

Take a look at this page from leadnow.ca and take a good look at the number of "messages sent" to Elections Canada.  See something interesting?

8 hrs after the 31,000 number appears it now reads upward of 36,000. ALL of which have been sent to Elections Canada and if you read the wording of the email that will be sent when you click, it is definitely not a complaint of robo calling.

Oh and while you are there be sure to look at their about page. It looks like what you might find on a list for an NDP strategy meeting.

12 Mar 12, Globe & Mail:
Elections Canada says the bulk of the 31,000 messages it’s received from Canadians concerning fraudulent robo-calls in the 2011 ballot were merely form letters.

“The majority of those contacts were made via automated forms or online form letters,” agency spokesman John Enright said Monday.

Form letters such as those generated by activist website Leadnow.ca – which encourages Canadians to submit them – do not spell out an allegation about specific robo-calls but merely raise concern about the subject.

Elections Canada refuses to say how many of the calls or emails it received from Canadians on election period calls were dedicated to reporting specific complaints of fraud or harassment.

Mr. Enright said the election watchdog also heard from Canadians calling to follow up on existing or past complaints – as well as voters calling to raise general concern ....
 
ModlrMike said:
There's also the question that hasn't been asked:

Could this have been an attempt to discredit the Torries? I know that's Machiavellian, but it wouldn't be the first time an ID was spoofed.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned....or The Liberal Party when it fails to get elected as the Government of Canada.  >:D
 
I was really hoping to find out some details yesterday. My guess is the EC is probably working out a deal with him/her to get the details of what happened / who was involved / etc, and we might not find out for a while. :(

On another note... the only reason this person got caught was because they were stupid enough to do this from home. If they had went to a cafe with wifi, it seems to me like they'd have never been caught. It's a bit scary to think that such a serious (alleged) crime that could take away someone's right to vote could take place, so easily, by anyone, with such a slim chance of being caught.
 
ballz said:
I was really hoping to find out some details yesterday. My guess is the EC is probably working out a deal with him/her to get the details of what happened / who was involved / etc, and we might not find out for a while. :(

On another note... the only reason this person got caught was because they were stupid enough to do this from home. If they had went to a cafe with wifi, it seems to me like they'd have never been caught. It's a bit scary to think that such a serious (alleged) crime that could take away someone's right to vote could take place, so easily, by anyone, with such a slim chance of being caught.


And it appears that all honourable members, from all parties, agree with you, according to this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/watchdog-gets-boost-from-mps-as-it-closes-in-on-robo-call-suspect/article2367258/
Watchdog gets boost from MPs as it closes in on robo-call suspect

STEVEN CHASE, RENATA D’ALIESIO AND DANIEL LEBLANC

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
Last updated Tuesday, Mar. 13, 2012

The House of Commons has unanimously agreed to boost the powers of Elections Canada as the country’s electoral watchdog is closing in on “Pierre Poutine,” who it alleges launched fraudulent robo-calls from a residence in Guelph in the last election.

The Conservatives, attacked from all sides over allegations of electoral fraud during the last three weeks, sided with the NDP’s call to provide more tools to Elections Canada to monitor spending by political parties and the activities of phone companies during elections.

The move came as Elections Canada is tracking a residence in Guelph, Ont., where a home computer accessed the robo-call account that was set up with a cellphone registered in the name of “Pierre Poutine,” a source said. The computer’s IP address is seen as the clearest fingerprint yet that could lead Elections Canada to the person behind the fraudulent election-day phone calls that directed voters to the wrong polling station in the Ontario riding of Guelph.

The opposition has hit the Conservative Party at every turn with questions about the robo-call controversy in Guelph over the last three weeks, stating that dozens of other ridings were affected by similar fraudulent tactics.

On Monday evening, the House of Commons voted unanimously – 283 to 0 – in favour of an NDP motion calling on the government to provide more powers to Elections Canada within six months. In particular, the proposed amendments to the Elections Act would force political parties to provide more financial documents to Elections Canada upon request, and call on phone companies to register with Elections Canada if they provide voter-contact services to political parties during elections.

Still, Elections Canada said on Monday that the bulk of the 31,000 messages it has received from Canadians concerning fraudulent robo-calls in the 2011 ballot were form letters, and not specific complaints related to actual fraudulent or harassing phone calls.

“The majority of those contacts were made via automated forms or online form letters,” agency spokesman John Enright said.

Form letters such as those generated by the activist website Leadnow.ca – which encourages Canadians to submit them – do not spell out an allegation about specific robo-calls but merely raise concern about the subject.

Elections Canada refused to say how many of the calls or e-mails it received from Canadians were dedicated to reporting specific complaints of fraud or harassment.

During Question Period, the Conservatives tried to turn the tables on opposition attacks over the Guelph robo-calls by hammering the Liberals over automated calls made by Grit candidate Frank Valeriote during the 2011 campaign.

The message attacked Guelph Conservative candidate Marty Burke as anti-choice on abortion, but it did not tell listeners that it was funded by the Liberal campaign. Mr. Burke lost the election to Mr. Valeriote.

“The member for Guelph paid for illegal robo-calls that concealed the fact that calls came from his Liberal campaign,” Dean Del Mastro, parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister, alleged in the Commons.

“They broke the CRTC regulations; they broke Elections Canada laws.”

Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae dismissed the accusation against Mr. Valeriote and called for a royal commission to investigate allegations of fraudulent robo-calls across dozens of ridings in the 2011 election.

“I can assure the honourable member nobody on this side has anything to fear from a royal commission,” Mr. Rae said. “We ask for it, we demand it, and the people of Canada require it.”

Elections Canada has stated in court documents that the creator of the Guelph robo-call account used the alias of “Pierre Poutine” to purchase a disposable cellphone two days before last year’s election. Sources said the robo-calls were paid for with an anonymous, prepaid credit card.

While “Pierre Poutine” tried to cover all tracks, experts said that he or she made mistakes. The biggest one was using the disposable cellphone to set up an account with robo-call operator RackNine Inc., and then allowing that cellphone number to appear on the call displays of the recipients of the message.

Elections Canada started tracking that phone number in the days after the May 2 election, slowly retracing electronic footprints all the way to RackNine and now the IP address of the computer used to contact that company.


If it is to have new powers the I suspect that Elections Canada may be due for a shake-up. My impression is that Elections Canada is a bit of a sleepy dumping ground for less than stellar public servants.
 
Apparently Pierre Poutine won't be outed any time soon.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120312/pierre-poutine-identity-still-unknown-120312/

Canadians will have to wait to find identity of Pierre Poutine

CTVNews.ca Staff

Date: Mon. Mar. 12 2012 10:54 PM ET

It could be years before Canadians know the identity of "Pierre Poutine," the mysterious figure at the centre of the robocalls scandal.

"Elections Canada said we'll only know if charges are actually laid, and that may be months or years away," CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said Monday night.

The person who sent the fake recorded messages was careful to cover his or her digital tracks, using a prepaid cellphone and a fake account with the fictional address of "Separatist Street" in Joliette, Que.

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However, speculation continues.

A senior Conservative says that local campaign staff in Guelph, Ont., claimed to have identified the real identity of Poutine.

The senior Tory was told that staff members had identified Poutine after Michael Sona, 23, allegedly owned up to the scheme.

But a source close to Sona denied the allegations, saying that "Conservative Party headquarters is trying to pin it on him."

The source also said Sona was in church on the day some of the Pierre Poutine calls were made.

Sona, who worked on the Guelph campaign during the last federal election, has previously denied having anything to do with the robocalls, which falsely claimed to come from Elections Canada and directed voters to the wrong polling locations.

Conservative insiders insist they are not forcing Sona to take the fall.

Meanwhile, opposition parties are demanding a formal inquiry into the robocalls scandal.

"Do they really think that Canadians are going to believe that the guy who named himself after cheese curds and gravy is behind this, as though he is some kind of robofraud equivalent of Dr. Evil?" NDP MP Charlie Angus asked of the Conservatives Monday.

The Conservatives have responded with counter accusations, saying the Liberals made phony election calls in Guelph that attacked the local Tory candidate over abortion.

Frank Valeriote, the Liberal MP for Guelph, has admitted his campaign used robocalls, but said it was an oversight that the calls did not say they were Liberal-financed.

On Sunday, people in a number of cities across Canada held protests calling for a public inquiry into the robocalls scandal.

Opposition parties claim voter turnout may have been affected by the calls, when either pre-recorded messages or live callers informed voters of changes that hadn't actually occurred.

The RCMP and Elections Canada are looking into reports that automated calls were made in as many as 18 ridings, though opposition parties claim 34 ridings were affected.







 
Meanwhile, opposition parties are demanding a formal inquiry into the robocalls scandal ... [but] ... Frank Valeriote, the Liberal MP for Guelph, has admitted his campaign used robocalls, but said it was an oversight that the calls did not say they were Liberal-financed.


Oh, well, that's OK, then ... it was just an oversight, but the Conservatives are evil incarnate. Yes, of course, that makes sense.
 
Passed in Parliament, but a law has to be written (eventually).
 
CTV:
It could be years before Canadians know the identity of "Pierre Poutine," the mysterious figure at the centre of the robocalls scandal.

ERC:
...but the Conservatives are evil incarnate

will continue to be, of course conveniently , without proof, the guilty party.

Lets play "What will the media say".
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Oh, well, that's OK, then ... it was just an oversight, but the Conservatives are evil incarnate. Yes, of course, that makes sense.

Funny how that works eh!
 
Rifleman62 said:
Passed in Parliament, but a law has to be written (eventually).
.... or amended - here's the wording of the motion agreed to, from Journals:
Pursuant to Order made Thursday, March 8, 2012, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Christopherson (Hamilton Centre), seconded by Ms. Latendresse (Louis-Saint-Laurent), — That, in the opinion of the House, the government should, within six months, table amendments to the Elections Canada Act and other legislation as required that would ensure that:

(a) Elections Canada investigation capabilities be strengthened, to include giving the Chief Electoral Officer the power to request all necessary documents from political parties to ensure compliance with the Elections Act;

(b) all telecommunication companies that provide voter contact services during a general election must register with Elections Canada; and

(c) all clients of telecommunication companies during a general election have their identity registered and verified;
We'll see how different the system is by September 12 of this year, I guess.
 
Defence Lawyer:  But the accused's wifi was unsecured, thus it could have been anyone beaming off this residential IP ... either that or temporary insanity - like myself.  8)
 
ballz said:
I was really hoping to find out some details yesterday. My guess is the EC is probably working out a deal with him/her to get the details of what happened / who was involved / etc, and we might not find out for a while. :(

Based on their past track record its more likely to be or ever.  ::)
 
Liberals manage to score an "own goal" again:

http://www.therecord.com/opinion/editorial/article/686104--liberal-robocall-was-a-disgrace

Liberal robocall was a disgrace

After weeks of throwing punches at the federal Conservatives over the notorious robocalls affair, the Liberals have succeeded magnificently in giving themselves a shining black eye.

Liberal Leader Bob Rae missed this blunder on Monday as he called for a Royal Commission to investigate the election controversy. But Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre got it right when he demanded an apology from Guelph Liberal MP Frank Valeriote for the disgraceful tactics he employed before voting day. Valeriote should have complied.

Valeriote has confirmed that one of his campaign volunteers made an automated telephone call prior to the election that urged people to vote Liberal because the riding’s Conservative candidate opposed abortion. Valeriote admits he approved the calls. He admits he knew that the person who made the calls used a phoney name — “Laurie McDonald.” And he also admits that the robocall did not but should have contained one vital piece of information — that it was designed and funded by his own Liberal campaign.

That’s an alarming oversight. According to Elections Canada, any election advertising message made in a campaign needs to mention that it was authorized by an official agent of a candidate or a registered agent of the party.

There is still much that Canadians need to learn about what happened in the Guelph riding on or before election day. Topping the list is the identity of “Pierre Poutine.” Someone using that phoney name and falsely claiming to represent Elections Canada sent out recorded messages on election day that reportedly confused non-Conservative supporters by directing them to the wrong polling station.

If someone deliberately tried to prevent citizens from voting by using false information, that individual should be held fully accountable. And if criminal charges are deemed appropriate by the authorities, they should be laid.

Rae and the Liberals are right to seek answers about this. But Rae was wrong to defend the robocall from Valeriote as “a vigorous response to a specific issue.” Rae should realize that any attempt to sway voters that uses a bogus name and fails to identify the party affiliation behind it all is dishonest and in violation of Elections Canada rules. Such action discredits his party and makes their overheated claims of wrongdoing seem self-serving.

Perhaps the Liberals should reread the old saying about how ill-advised it is for people living in glass houses to throw stones.

As for all the confused, concerned and inquiring Canadians still seeking answers about the last election, we say keep an open mind and let investigators from Elections Canada and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police do their work. Perhaps, in time, it will be clear that only some kind of special public inquiry or Royal Commission can get to the bottom of what happened. But for now, let’s wait for what those already investigating this controversy come up with before hiring more people to do the job.
 
Valeriote has confirmed that one of his campaign volunteers made an automated telephone call prior to the election that urged people to vote Liberal because the riding’s Conservative candidate opposed abortion. Valeriote admits he approved the calls. He admits he knew that the person who made the calls used a phoney name — “Laurie McDonald.” And he also admits that the robocall did not but should have contained one vital piece of information — that it was designed and funded by his own Liberal campaign.

Where did you read/hear/see that info Thucydides?

Lets play"What Will the media say?"

Watch this to the end. The shoe is on the other foot, and foot does not like it.

http://ezralevant.com/2012/03/booting-the-media-party.html
 
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