Retro Pay & Allow 1Apr 2014 - 1Apr 2017

[Occam]

Especially when PSAC bargains away some of our benefits.

Which benefits would those be?

 

[dapaterson]

Most notable was severance, worth (about) 2%, that was traded in for two 0.5% increases.

The sick leave negotiations could be most interesting; depending how that evolves, it's possible the public service could get a larger increase than the military, since military sick leave is significantly different from the public service equivalent.

 

[Occam]

We've been through this before though.  When the government comes to the table and says "We're not leaving without your severance", what do you do?  You get as much for it as possible.  It's better than them legislating it away, and freezing everyone's severance as of a certain date like they did, and getting nothing else for it. 

How would a strike over severance have been received by John Q. Public, who probably doesn't get severance? 

It's a complete non-issue.  The only ones still complaining about it are those who don't understand it.  Loath as I am to defend an action of the Harper (tm) gov't, it was indefensible on the unions' part.

 

[jollyjacktar]

As a former member, you'll understand how "we" feel.  Those of us still in.  We don't get a say in the matter, we get what they let us have.  For that reason alone, I don't like it.  We're at the mercy of those who are at play in the fields for their own pay package. 

 

[George Wallace]

We've been through this before though.  When the government comes to the table and says "We're not leaving without your severance", what do you do?  You get as much for it as possible.  It's better than them legislating it away, and freezing everyone's severance as of a certain date like they did, and getting nothing else for it. 

How would a strike over severance have been received by John Q. Public, who probably doesn't get severance? 

It's a complete non-issue.  The only ones still complaining about it are those who don't understand it.  Loath as I am to defend an action of the Harper (tm) gov't, it was indefensible on the unions' part.

I listen to Talk Radio, and every Saturday there is a Lawyer on who specializes in "Severance" and what an employee is entitled to, and how often the employee is not fully knowledgeable of how much Severance they are entitled to, often leading to the case where their former employer has short changed them.  That got me to wondering if what the Federal Government did to the military, RCMP, and PS was in fact legal. 

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/assets/portfolio/docs/en/reports/labour_standards/termination/termination.pdf

Not being a "Legal Eagle/Beagle", I am way outside of my expertise here.

 

[Occam]

Me either, but I would be willing to bet good money than of those civvies who do get severance, an extremely small percentage get it for voluntarily leaving their job; AKA end of a FPOS or a voluntary release on an IPS.

 

[marinemech]

we will likely get the new negotiated pay just in time for the next round of negotiation, as the p[ace things are going now

 

[PuckChaser]

we will likely get the new negotiated pay just in time for the next round of negotiation, as the p[ace things are going now

Wait for the strike, first. Once PSAC realizes they can't milk the Liberals after pledging their support in the election, the lines at the gates from "the defense team" holding everyone up getting to work will be bigger than a BSAF exercise.

 

[Occam]

As a former member, you'll understand how "we" feel.  Those of us still in.  We don't get a say in the matter, we get what they let us have.  For that reason alone, I don't like it.  We're at the mercy of those who are at play in the fields for their own pay package.

I do understand, and it wasn't that long ago I felt the same pangs.  Until a massive overhaul of the compensation & benefits package happens, and everything is delinked from the PS system, it is what it is.  The CF reaps the same gains and suffers the same losses.

the lines at the gates from "the defense team" holding everyone up getting to work will be bigger than a BSAF exercise.

I promise nobody will dock your pay for being late. 

 

[Remius]

I listen to Talk Radio, and every Saturday there is a Lawyer on who specializes in "Severance" and what an employee is entitled to, and how often the employee is not fully knowledgeable of how much Severance they are entitled to, often leading to the case where their former employer has short changed them.  That got me to wondering if what the Federal Government did to the military, RCMP, and PS was in fact legal. 

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/assets/portfolio/docs/en/reports/labour_standards/termination/termination.pdf

Not being a "Legal Eagle/Beagle", I am way outside of my expertise here.

I believe that Mr. SAmfiuru specialises in Ontario labour law.  The PS falls under a a different and federal law.

 

[George Wallace]

I believe that Mr. SAmfiuru specialises in Ontario labour law.  The PS falls under a a different and federal law.

Still makes you wonder though.  Is there more to this than we know?

 

[Remius]

Still makes you wonder though.  Is there more to this than we know?

If we were entitled to more severance you can bet that the unions would have squeezed everything we we were entitled to.

 

[S McPhee]

Has anyone heard any updates re: the cost of living adjustment?  I've heard rumors that the numbers have been settled and we'll see it in September, but there hasn't been any official CANFORGENs out yet....

 

[dapaterson]

No.  Numbers are not settled.  Once something is ready to be announced, it will be.

You may want to read back on this thread; lots of discussion as to why it will be a while before anything comes out.

 

[S McPhee]

I have been following this thread for a while and am well aware of the reasons for the wait.  I've heard that PSAC also has their numbers settled, which is why I inquired if anyone was in the know. 

 

[George Wallace]

WOW!  Three posts in twenty minutes and all are about "YOUR money".  [

 

[dapaterson]

Latest on PSAC bargaining is at: http://psacunion.ca/bargaining

The settlement with the CRA earlier this month goes back to 2012, and includes the Severance Pay provisions.  So it's not a bellwether for the next round of CAF increases.

 

[S McPhee]

@dapaterson - roger that.  I hadn't seen those details or realize it wouldn't have an effect on CAF increase.  Thanks for the heads up. 

@George Wallace - haha, yes, I was waiting for someone to call me out on that.  I value the input and open discussion on here, so I just seen it as another venue for information.  Pay isn't the only concern on my mind, I swear!

 

[George Wallace]

fear

The one thing you can rest assured of; once the pay settlements are announced, they will be posted here just a fraction slower than the "wives network" can spread the word.  [

 

[S McPhee]

Haha, fair enough!