Replacing the Subs

[suffolkowner]

캐나다 해군총장, 한화오션 방문...60조 규모 3천톤급 잠수함 8~12척 도입 사업 '타진'

한화오션은 앵거스 탑시 캐나다 해군총장이 10일 한화오션 거제사업장을 방문해 캐나다 잠수함 획득 사업에 대한 논의를 진행했다고 밝혔다.이번 방문은 한화오션 거제사업장(조선소)에서 이뤄졌으며, 특히 한화오션이 캐나다 잠수함 사업(CPSP)에 제안한 장보고-III 배치-I...

m.geojejournal.co.kr

the korean report of the above

 

[Czech_pivo]

Topshee kicking the tires -

Canadian Navy Commander Checks Out HD HHI’s Submarine Construction Capabilities​

Royal Canadian Navy Commander Angus Topshee visits Ulsan, reviews submarine construction and production facilities​

Canadian Navy Commander Checks Out HD HHI's Submarine Construction Capabilities - Naval News

Royal Canadian Navy Commander Angus Topshee visits Ulsan, reviews submarine construction and production facilities.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Underway]

LMAO, the two Korean shipbuilding firms both hate each other so much. Bidding against each other and stabbing each other in the back on both of these tours I'm sure.

 

[Czech_pivo]

LMAO, the two Korean shipbuilding firms both hate each other so much. Bidding against each other and stabbing each other in the back on both of these tours I'm sure.

Sound like any CDN builders out there?

 

[Edward Campbell]

LMAO, the two Korean shipbuilding firms both hate each other so much. Bidding against each other and stabbing each other in the back on both of these tours I'm sure.

There's a word for that: competition. It generally benefits the customer.

 

[suffolkowner]

LMAO, the two Korean shipbuilding firms both hate each other so much. Bidding against each other and stabbing each other in the back on both of these tours I'm sure.

There's a word for that: competition. It generally benefits the customer.

is there any reason to prefer one over the other?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

There's a word for that: competition. It generally benefits the customer.

The Canadian companies don't hate each other so much that it benefits the customer...

 

[suffolkowner]

The Canadian companies don't hate each other so much that it benefits the customer...

they werent and arent given the opportunity to compete against each other

 

[Underway]

Sure. Hanwha is building the KSS III and HHD is not. That's all I got. Might like them differently if we were in the market for surface ships.

 

[suffolkowner]

Sure. Hanwha is building the KSS III and HHD is not. That's all I got. Might like them differently if we were in the market for surface ships.

hyundai isnt building any of the batch 2's?

 

[Underway]

hyundai isnt building any of the batch 2's?

I don't think so. They were building a different sub IIRC. Might be wrong though.

 

[suffolkowner]

I don't think so. They were building a different sub IIRC. Might be wrong though.

they built one of the batch 1's according to wkipedia and i see 2 of batch 2 for Hanwha but nothing on sub number 3

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well, any press release or news of the sub tender? The deadline for submissions was yesterday.

 

[Underway]

RFI is used to further define what the RCN will ask for. A lot of it is to answer questions

• is what we asked for possible?
• is it feasible?

-challenges/opportunities identification
- do we need to change what we need
-timelines

And so on. Then they'll define the specific contract requirements from that information. It will take some time for the project to digest the submissions and adjust the draft requirements. I don't expect a lot of communication in the meantime.

 

[Czech_pivo]

RFI is used to further define what the RCN will ask for. A lot of it is to answer questions

• is what we asked for possible?
• is it feasible?

-challenges/opportunities identification
- do we need to change what we need
-timelines

And so on. Then they'll define the specific contract requirements from that information. It will take some time for the project to digest the submissions and adjust the draft requirements. I don't expect a lot of communication in the meantime.

I was thinking more along the lines of 'who' actually bothered to submit a proposal - did the Japanese, yes or no - if 'no', then it really comes down to SK or the Nor/Ger subs. If 'yes', then its a 3 horse race most likely.

 

[KevinB]

I was thinking more along the lines of 'who' actually bothered to submit a proposal - did the Japanese, yes or no - if 'no', then it really comes down to SK or the Nor/Ger subs. If 'yes', then its a 3 horse race most likely.

RFI’s are just government fishing expeditions to see the state of industry. Sometime companies won’t bother to respond to RFI’s, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t interested, just that at times they may not want to publicly express that.

Ideally there would be a draft RFP released for industry commentary, and then that used to further refine the RFP.

 

[Underway]

I was thinking more along the lines of 'who' actually bothered to submit a proposal - did the Japanese, yes or no - if 'no', then it really comes down to SK or the Nor/Ger subs. If 'yes', then its a 3 horse race most likely.

If there is a Euro sub likely it would contract along with an ally for the submarines. It would be along the lines of Germany gets a sub, Norway gets a sub then Canada gets a sub. Then start again. If it was Korea it is more likely to firehose submarines at us rapidly. Lmao.

The question/concern is something along the lines of "we have 1.5 - 2 trained crews" how the hell are we going to adapt to a lot of submarines fast.

Of other note, the first Korean joined the NATO DE Perisher course. Leveraging that expertise and reducing costs across the board and some good military exchange.

 

[NavyShooter]

Answer there is to park the CPF's, train the crews on subs, and sail a bunch of subs instead of the Frigates.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

The question/concern is something along the lines of "we have 1.5 - 2 trained crews" how the hell are we going to adapt to a lot of submarines fast.

To paraphrase God: "Build them, and they will come."

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Answer there is to park the CPF's, train the crews on subs, and sail a bunch of subs instead of the Frigates.

oh that will go over well....