Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition

[mariomike]

Remembering the MAGA bomber ( sentenced to 20 years today ).

The MAGA Bomber Planned His Morning Routine Around “Fox & Friends”
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/wjvvzw/the-maga-bomber-planned-his-morning-routine-around-fox-and-friends

MAGA Bomber’s Lawyers Blame Trump, Sean Hannity
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-bomber-cesar-sayocs-lawyers-blame-trump-sean-hannity-for-his-radicalization

 

[RocketRichard]

Some do,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Weapons_used

See also for weapons used,

List of mass shootings in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Weapons_used

Not one of the shootings on this list used a shotgun exclusively.


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[YZT580]

Meanwhile, while all attention was focused on these two incidents, seven people were killed and 46 others were wounded in shootings since Friday evening in Chicago.  There were two incidents of multiple shootings in that total.  So why aren't flags flying at half staff for them?  Answer:  that is a normal weekend in the summer.

That's Obama's home town yet nary a peep out of him. 

 

[mariomike]

Meanwhile, while all attention was focused on these two incidents, seven people were killed and 46 others were wounded in shootings since Friday evening in Chicago. 

Killed in gang retaliation attacks. Not extremist terrorism.

Next weekend, it will be their gang's turn to retaliate. And so on, and so on, and so on...



Looks like Chicago's homicide rate is decreasing. Maybe the gangs are running out of enemies to kill?

Chicago murder rate drops for second year in a row
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/us/chicago-murders-drop-2018/index.html

Gangs don't ussually shoot everybody all in one place, all at the same time. More spread out. Not as dramatic.

Gang shootings are not hate crimes. It's their turf war. Business related.

 

[RocketRichard]

Excuse me. Maybe you should have used that word when you asked?

Excuuuuuuuuse me


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[kkwd]

Remembering the MAGA bomber ( sentenced to 20 years today ).

Another negative chit for Trump?

 

[mariomike]

Another negative chit for Trump?

Most people would not consider it a positive. It certainly fits into the category of Extremist Terrorism.

At any rate, he starts serving his 20 years today.

Looks like he could be described as a "fervent supporter".

 

[mariomike]

FBI:

Anti-Government, Identity Based, and Fringe Political Conspiracy Theories Very Likely Motivate Some Domestic Extremists to Commit Criminal, Sometimes Violent Activity.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/local-fbi-field-office-warns-conspiracy-theory-driven-domestic-extremists-n1038441
The assessment noted that the document is the first from the FBI to analyze conspiracies and their connection to violent acts.

 

[mariomike]

Regarding the garlic festival,

6 Aug., 2019

FBI will open domestic terrorism investigation into Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting
https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-open-domestic-terrorism-investigation-gilroy-garlic-festival/story?id=64810428

 

[kkwd]

Regarding the garlic festival,

More info on this at this LA Times article.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-06/gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-domestic-terrorism-probe

 

[AbdullahD]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/norway-mosque-1.5243092

Shooting Mosques up is becoming a thing, I guess.


Abdullah

 

[mariomike]

If everything they own now and in the future can be jeopardized, it makes it much more difficult to recruit followers,

NBC
Aug. 12, 2019

White supremacists are being targeted by a law that took down the KKK
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/charlottesville-s-white-supremacists-are-being-targeted-law-took-down-ncna1041246
Suing those responsible for hate crimes has the potential to bankrupt and dismantle the groups at the center of this violent movement.

 

[Journeyman]

If everything they own now and in the future can be jeopardized, it makes it much more difficult to recruit followers,

Sorry, but this assumes that possible recruits actually think about personal responsibility and/or consequences of their actions, whether immediate or long-term.

While even the authors acknowledge that "suing those responsible for hate crimes has the potential  to bankrupt and dismantle the groups," I have less faith in those embracing such hate;  if you're stupid enough to be a neo-Nazi, you're unlikely smart enough to picture future bankruptcy for your behaviour.*


* Or, clutching at their non-reality and denying responsibility, they'll whine "I wouldn't be bankrupt if those lesser non-whites had gone back to where they came from."  :

 

[kkwd]

Shots fired at an ICE office in San Antonio Texas. Possible charges are assault of a federal official.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/457265-FBI-investigating-shooting-ice-office-in-san-antonio

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/13/politics/fbi-investigating-shots-fired-ice-offices-san-antonio/index.html

It didn't turn out as bad for the shooter as the Tacoma incident.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/us/armed-man-killed-tacoma-immigration-facility/index.html

 

[Singh47]

              I wanted to address the warning I received for allegedly insulting an Islamic member. I want to say that while I respect all religions, it's a patent fact that many Christian and Islamic sites are built upon those which were forcibly confiscated from others. This is not only acknowledged but many times celebrated as a victory over the heathens. Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes and the majority of the rest stop covering for them under the guise of secularism or human rights, I think it is perfectly reasonable to be wary.

          Jews don't trust Nazis after all but the Nazi persecution ends in this lifetime, these genocidal faiths encourage and guarantee persecution to their enemies for all eternity.

 

[Brad Sallows]

>Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes

Who is competent to make that apology, and will it close the issue?

 

[OldSolduer]

              I wanted to address the warning I received for allegedly insulting an Islamic member. I want to say that while I respect all religions, it's a patent fact that many Christian and Islamic sites are built upon those which were forcibly confiscated from others. This is not only acknowledged but many times celebrated as a victory over the heathens. Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes and the majority of the rest stop covering for them under the guise of secularism or human rights, I think it is perfectly reasonable to be wary.

          Jews don't trust Nazis after all but the Nazi persecution ends in this lifetime, these genocidal faiths encourage and guarantee persecution to their enemies for all eternity.

Excuse me, but your diatribe is getting old. "Poor me"

Victimhood is counter productive.

 

[Jarnhamar]

>Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes

Who is competent to make that apology , and will it close the issue?

Canadas prime minister comes to mind.

 

[Singh47]

Excuse me, but your diatribe is getting old. "Poor me"

Victimhood is counter productive.

So is sanctimonious claptrap.

 

[The Bread Guy]

From the U.S. government's Voice of America ...

In June, Canada labeled the white supremacist group Blood & Honor and its armed branch, Combat 18, as terrorist organizations.

In announcing the move, Canada's public safety department said Blood & Honor derives its ideology from "the National Socialist doctrine of Nazi Germany" and, through Combat 18,  has carried out murders and bombings.

The designation of a white supremacist group as a terrorist organization, the latest of several by Western nations, comes as U.S. allies respond to a recent rise in violence committed by right-wing groups. But the U.S. government is powerless to take such action because of the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment protections, even though it would strengthen the hand of law enforcement agencies in cracking down on extremist groups. 

"A white supremacist organization is an ideology, it's a belief," assistant FBI Director Michael McGarrity testified before the House Homeland Security Committee in May. "But they're not designated as a terrorist organization."

Charging white nationalists

While prosecutors have successfully charged dozens of Islamic State sympathizers with providing "material support" to a foreign terrorist organization included on a government watch list, they can't bring similar charges against individual white nationalists.

But that could change if the U.S. starts adding groups such as Blood & Honor to its Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) list, experts and some lawmakers say. There are currently 68 groups on the U.S. watch list. Most are Islamist groups such as IS and al-Qaida. Not one is a white nationalist group. 

(...)

Democratic Congressman Max Rose of New York is one of the proposed designation's congressional champions.

"Terrorism is terrorism, and we have to fix that," Rose said at the hearing. "And the first step, I believe, is to start establishing some of these organizations as true foreign terrorist organizations."

Some Republican members also support the idea. 

"It's absolutely clear that white supremacism is the biggest problem, and we've got to go after that, and we have to address it," said Republican Congressman John Katko of New York.

( ... )

While designating foreign white supremacist groups as FTOs would allow the FBI to use additional investigative tools, there are limits to its benefits, cautioned retired FBI agent and national security expert David Gomez. 

"While I don't know if the FBI has any active investigations against organizations like Blood & Honor, it is an interesting question to ask, i.e., are the U.S. organizations taking direction from the potential [foreign terrorist organizations], or are they merely subscribing to their ideology?" Gomez said.

Labeling a group a terrorist organization for simply subscribing to a white supremacist ideology would run afoul of the First Amendment, Gomez said.

"That is the slippery slope that you have to worry about sliding down, because one man's terrorist is another man's patriotic nationalist," he said.

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