Small quibble- that should read slightly less work in a week. There are much more time efficient paths to establishing reasonable baseline functional fitness than dictated 1 or 1.5 hours per day of self directed gym time. An organization with the wherewithal to tell people exactly what to do, where, and when, should be able to figure out how to make use of them. Where did the term "bootcamp" come from FFS.
True but when the unit says everyday group PT will be 0800-0930 that is what you have to work with. Can't help some people that come up with what they think is a great plan without talking to those that have to deal with it in the end. Just with clerks alone (it was RMS Clks at the time) for 10 members that was 15 hours a day which amounts to a lot of work. Most of us were doing our own PT outside of that already - IE I liked cycling everyday so used travel to and from work as my workout time plus the gym at lunch thus less loss time whereas with the mandated workout it now became loss time.
For the civilian community, and most Class A troops, unpaid PT looks something like this: Weekdays - 0600-0700, 1200-1300 and/or 1700-1800 & Weekends.
Why should the CAF be different/ special?
Because they are not ordered to do it. That is the exact logic that resulted in PLD going away, why should the military get it when we don't.
I am hearing excuses not reasons.
If the CDS mandates it all members get in line with it. We have grievance processes for those who don't.
The Army and SOF have no issues starting their day with PT and getting a solid work day. I did for 6 years and I still managed to get all my rag picking and sock counting done in the rest of the day. And the clerks at and in my unit and sub unit never had an issue either. There is no reason the RCN couldn't do the same, its just an attitude an culture that needs to be shifted. I cant speak for the RCAF.
You are vastly over inflating the amount of work people miss because they have an hour of PT a day. And if its that detrimental your unit needs to create more positions for clerks, at least I think you're a clerk. Please excuse me if I am wrong.
In my world PT would be from 0730 - 0830, and all members would be required back at their work space NLT 0900. Unit commanders can work the timings to their nuances, and designate X (For a ship that would be 6) pers required for duty excused PT for a 24 hour period.
Again this is easily done, its just going to take some getting over some bitching and moaning.
Well civis don't require fitness testing every year. For Class As you chose to be 'twice the citizen'; so act like it.
What's your postal code I will find you the nearest recruiting center if you'd like to take advantage of this benefit.
It was an army unit and the issue was not doing the PT as most of us were already doing more on our own, it was the expectation that despite losing 1.5 hours everyday (that is over a day in a week) you would still get the same amount or more work done. Nice to see you know my staffs workload so can determine that the impact was not that much. Most of them were combat arms or ex combat employed in clerical positions, already doing PT on their own, putting in overtime and were not happy with the new schedule expectations.
I also had the experience at one unit where I had to tell my cpl he was required to attend the group pt but adhere to his mels which meant he went to the gym and sat there on the chair for an hour as his mels specifically said no pt. He was a fast worker so losing an hour from him was annoying.
Units don't create positions, that is an establishment change that has to go to Ottawa and considering the state of the HRA/FSA trades good luck. Our ask for one admin position that we even indicated could be reg f or pres class b was shot down.
In your world is not in everyone's world. In my world we would be fully staffed, everything would work perfectly, I wouldn't have to spend half an hour explaining to a senior officer that just because they were a CO at their prior post and everyone just gave them whatever they wanted doesn't mean we are obligated to pay them something they are not entitled to, everyone in the military would be a millionaire and I would never have to file taxes. Somehow I don't see any of that happening. Oh, and my computer wouldn't need to be updated everyday.
Yes the CDS issued the directive years ago, in that direction it included that it was to be part of their regular work day and not additional time. Now when you are able to enforce that stringently at every CAF unit/location that will be great. Until then we all have to realize that unit A and unit B just may not function the same. The unit I am at now is excellent and we are able to be extremely flex with our staff when it comes to work schedule and PT as long as it is the full 8 hour day.
PT is great if, and we all know that is a big if, everyone treated it correctly and curbed their expectations. A work week is based on 40 hours, not 70 hours (yes, I actually had a unit put that out as the work schedule until someone leaked it to a higher HQ that stopped it).
What's a clerk????
