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And one more thought before I call it a night. If we divest all contract policing, where are Mounties going to learn to do the basic, foundational policing that leads to most of the skills used in the higher levels on investigation? I'm not saying they won't be able to, but it won't be easy.
 
And one more thought before I call it a night. If we divest all contract policing, where are Mounties going to learn to do the basic, foundational policing that leads to most of the skills used in the higher levels on investigation? I'm not saying they won't be able to, but it won't be easy.

What do the FBI do? I'm guessing a more 'national' policing role might be alot like the FBI's role...
 
And one more thought before I call it a night. If we divest all contract policing, where are Mounties going to learn to do the basic, foundational policing that leads to most of the skills used in the higher levels on investigation? I'm not saying they won't be able to, but it won't be easy.
The new federal only Mounties would recruit almost exclusively from other police services.
Finally, what becomes of the members? Who gets to stay, and who gets told to apply to our replacement forces? We wouldn't have room for everybody, even with the most generous expansion of Federal policing. How is that going to be done? Rank? Service level? The competency profile? Favourtism? The 'ol Mountie dogpile?
I think some members may want to stay in their communities and transfer to the replacement police service.
 
The new federal only Mounties would recruit almost exclusively from other police services.
Not necessarily. The FBI doesn’t do that exclusively either. It would likely be a model with various entry points. That being one of a few entry points.
I think some members may want to stay in their communities and transfer to the replacement police service.
Would be a mix, I suspect a lot would. Plenty though are looking to get out of wherever they are.

2032 should be enough time for provinces to get their acts together and form their own police forces.
 
The new federal only Mounties would recruit almost exclusively from other police services.

RCMP federal policing definitely poaches laterals - I know a couple people who went over - but is also recruiting both sworn police and civilian investigator peace officers off the street. Sounds like part of the rationale for the whole proposal is to bring in more knowledge and expertise outside of just cops who’ve come up through patrol and front line investigations. I can see some method to that madness.
 
Not necessarily. The FBI doesn’t do that exclusively either. It would likely be a model with various entry points. That being one of a few entry points.

Would be a mix, I suspect a lot would. Plenty though are looking to get out of wherever they are.

2032 should be enough time for provinces to get their acts together and form their own police forces.
RCMP federal policing definitely poaches laterals - I know a couple people who went over - but is also recruiting both sworn police and civilian investigator peace officers off the street. Sounds like part of the rationale for the whole proposal is to bring in more knowledge and expertise outside of just cops who’ve come up through patrol and front line investigations. I can see some method to that madness.

Ok good. So this validates the RCMP could indeed manage appropriate recruiting and staffing without having to put it's members through several years of general duty grind to be successful in the federal domain.

2032 is plenty of time so long as their aren't levels of political and institutional resistance sabotaging the change over like the Surrey debacle.
 
Actually, as a guy with experience in it, 2032 is not a lot of time to switch out from the RCMP, and it’s not a good look that a year ago we were assuring provinces and communities that we were staying in it only for the government to spontaneously turn around on it.

I think we need to get out of contract policing, there will need to be a new territorial police force like a super version of the Nunavik Police Service- which will have massive issues but it is what it is.

The federal governments policies and procedures do not lend to governing a police force- from procurement to discipline and it continues to magnify as time goes on.
 
Actually, as a guy with experience in it, 2032 is not a lot of time to switch out from the RCMP, and it’s not a good look that a year ago we were assuring provinces and communities that we were staying in it only for the government to spontaneously turn around on it.

I think we need to get out of contract policing, there will need to be a new territorial police force like a super version of the Nunavik Police Service- which will have massive issues but it is what it is.

The federal governments policies and procedures do not lend to governing a police force- from procurement to discipline and it continues to magnify as time goes on.

Wait a minute.... that's genius. We could call them the NorthWest Muktuk Police (NWMP) ;)
 
Whew, where to start?

First of all, you guys must have a mole in my office. My penchant for caffeine that's cold and in a can has been laid bare, and my efforts to quit chew with nicotine pouches is downright depressing at times... I digress.

I find the soon to be former Prime Minister's assertion that "I have been trying to do this since the very beginning. So this isn't me trying to jam something out the door," he said, when questioned about the timing of the proposal.

"This is me realizing that we're at a moment where we have to bring Canadians, all Canadians, into this conversation." insulting.

I'm pretty sure he actually spent most of his time speaking on the topic of the RCMP by calling us racists, bigots and an institution unsuited to modern policing. He even got the Commissioner before the current one to tell a parliamentary committee as much. So his above claims come as breathtaking news to me. He had nine years and change to make this happen, he didn't.

As far as the actual functional changes to the RCMP? There's lots to look at and consider here, but I'll limit myself to the couple things that immediately jump forward in my mind, and let the discussion go where it may.

I've said a couple times, on this forum, that the RCMP needs to limit if not abandon contract policing. I've suggested population caps above which the RCMP will no longer police the jurisdiction, as well as wholesale backing out and letting the Provinces figure it out. This would be a painful exercise for the RCMP, and every jurisdiction we police. There would have to be some sort of Federal money thrown at the places we were leaving, or the level of service would drop to dangerous levels.

If we do back out of contract in a limited or complete way, what are we still going to do? Federal policing obviously, but what else? Air Services? Forensic Identification? Police Dog Services? The Territories? Lots of these are specialty, high expense items the places we police won't be able to afford. In what way is Federal money going to be made available to assist these new police forces? Perhaps exclusively specialty support services? Would be an awful lot of back room politicking to sort that mess out.

What shape does Federal policing then take? Is the money actually going to be made available to retain members, form units, and do the work? I would like to think so, but there's an awful lot of vacancies in my local FSOC units and filling them would cost a lot of money the Feds have very much enjoyed not spending for the last 8 years of my career.

Finally, what becomes of the members? Who gets to stay, and who gets told to apply to our replacement forces? We wouldn't have room for everybody, even with the most generous expansion of Federal policing. How is that going to be done? Rank? Service level? The competency profile? Favourtism? The 'ol Mountie dogpile?

At the end of the day, to me, its all about the money. And nothing will happen quickly.
Any downloading to the provinces, some but maybe no all, would require a lot of federal dollars for a long time. Cities and areas with high population densities are relatively inexpensive to provide policing services. It's the Telegraph Creeks and Upper Rubber Boots that are expensive.

I see problems with staying behind to provide specialized, and expensive services. Services like canine, FIS and Tactical, even a service like technical collision investigation, are specialized field services. Where do the staff come from? What does a specialized service do when they are not responding to a call for service? If you keep enough of them around to provide a reasonable response time, each one is less busy. If you are the specialty team or member in PEI, what structure supports you? Providing those services effectively could only be done by (a) establishing a provincial police service or (b) fund one or two existing municipal services to be available to provide the services outside of their borders. In the US, many of those services outside of municipalities are provided by the state police or county sheriff.

I don't know how the FBI operates but basic investigative and communication skills are learned at the property damage collision/neighbour dispute level and grow from there. Many years ago I worked with an RCMP member who had been posted to O Division (Ontario) right out of Depot. His ability to interact with the public and perform basic investigative functions was less than ideal.
 
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