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Question of the Hour

VonGarvin wrote: "Tank destruction award of the (German) Airforce.  Guys like Hans Ulrich Rudel would have been awarded this, no?"

Actually no, that is not what this badge is and Rudel would not have qualified for it.  Another try perhaps?
 
Tank Battle badge for the Airforce:


The same order that announced the introduction of the higher grade's of the Luftwaffe Ground Combat War badge also introduced the special "PanzerKampfAbzeichen Der Luftwaffe". These were introduced to reward those men of the "Luftwaffe Field Divisions" including the Division "Hermann Goring", who had distinguished themselves in ground combat.

Awarded in a Black and a Silver version

Silver type award criteria: 

- Tank commanders, gunners, radio operators and drivers for participation in 3 combat engagements on 3 separate days;

- Tank recovery and repair crews provided they were in the front line and had been engaged by the enemy 3 times on 3 separate days;

- Medical personnel attached to Luftwaffe armoured units which had been engaged on 3....

Black type award criteria

- Members of Luftwaffe Panzergerenadier formations who had front-lined positions and had been engaged in 3.....

- Medical personnel attached to Luftwaffe PzGdr units which had been engaged .....

- Personnel of Luftwaffe Armoured Reconnaissance unites if engaged in at least 3....

Eventually included awards for 25, 50, 75, and 100 engagements

Source; Uniforms and Insignia of the Luftwaffe Vol 2: 1940-45 by Brian L . Davis
 
Larry, That's the right answer.  Interesting to think of armoured air force units, but those were interesting times.

Another interesting one is the SeeKampfAbzeichen Der Luftwaffe, or Sea Battle Badge of the Air Force, awarded as appreciation for crew members serving with rescue vessels, air protection and other Luftwaffe specialty ships.  This badge was rare and if awarded at all was not given out very often.

Who said, and on what occasion: " If we had dreaded the number of the enemy, we should have fled; but though we are inferior to them in ships, we are in all things else superior.  Let the enemy feel that though our fleet be divided, our spirit is entire.  At the worst, it will be more honourable to die bravely here on our own element than be made spectacles to the Dutch.  To be overcome is the fortune of war, but to fly is the fashion of cowards."
 
A bit of Cliff Clavenesque trivia,

In total, Rudel flew about 2,530 combat missions (a world record), during which time he destroyed almost 2,000 ground targets (among them claiming 519 tanks, 70 assault craft/landing boats, 150 self-propelled guns, 4 armoured trains and 800 other vehicles, as well as a battleship, two cruisers, a destroyer and 9 planes ( two IL-2's and 7 fighters). He was shot down or force-landed 32 times (several times behind enemy lines), always somehow managing to escape capture despite Stalin himself having a 100,000 ruble bounty placed on his head.He was also wounded five times and rescued six stranded aircrew from enemy territory. The vast majority of his missions were piloting the various models of the Junkers Ju87 bomber though by the end of the war he was flying the ground-attack variant of the FW190.

He went on to become the most highly decorated combatant in Germany, earning by early 1945 the German Cross in Gold, the Pilots and Observer's Badge with Diamonds, the Close Combat Clasp with 2000 sorties in Diamonds, and the only holder of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds.

To bring us into the 20th century:

What was the call sign of the M109 that fired the last round of 3RCHA prior to being re-numbered and going to Cyprus in 1992.

As an added question who were the Det Comd and the Det 2 i/c


 
With regards to the 3 RCHA question: would you have been involved in that firing? :D


With regards to Rudel, what was the battleship he sunk?

Also, the Germans aren't alone with "oddness" (regarding their armoured airforce units).  Remember 3 Mechanised Commando of The Canadian Airborne Regiment? ;D  Sure, those M113s were air droppable (anything can be dropped), but I don't think that they were air-droppable/survivable? ;)
 
That would be correct, though as a "Molitia" augmentee you wont find my name in the books.


On September 23, 1941, Rudel sank the Soviet battleship Marat during an air attack on Kronstadt harbour in the Leningrad area.
 
Larry Strong said:
A bit of Cliff Clavenesque trivia,

In total, Rudel flew about 2,530 combat missions (a world record), during which time he destroyed almost 2,000 ground targets (among them claiming 519 tanks, 70 assault craft/landing boats, 150 self-propelled guns, 4 armoured trains and 800 other vehicles, as well as a battleship, two cruisers, a destroyer and 9 planes ( two IL-2's and 7 fighters). He was shot down or force-landed 32 times (several times behind enemy lines), always somehow managing to escape capture despite Stalin himself having a 100,000 ruble bounty placed on his head.He was also wounded five times and rescued six stranded aircrew from enemy territory. The vast majority of his missions were piloting the various models of the Junkers Ju87 bomber though by the end of the war he was flying the ground-attack variant of the FW190.

He went on to become the most highly decorated combatant in Germany, earning by early 1945 the German Cross in Gold, the Pilots and Observer's Badge with Diamonds, the Close Combat Clasp with 2000 sorties in Diamonds, and the only holder of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds.

The fact that he was an unrepentant Nazi and favourite of Hitler probably didn't hurt either, with respect to his decorations. His autobiography was thrilling when I read it as a thirteen year old. As an adult, I couldn't help but feel creeped out by the standard German "heroic combat" themes and veiled references to subhuman enemies. I think the new revisionists have begun the assault on Rudel's character but I haven't read any of it since I think it is mostly in German - quite possibly some of the invective is well deserved.

Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt!
 
I still haven't had any takers on this one:

Who said, and on what occasion: " If we had dreaded the number of the enemy, we should have fled; but though we are inferior to them in ships, we are in all things else superior.  Let the enemy feel that though our fleet be divided, our spirit is entire.  At the worst, it will be more honourable to die bravely here on our own element than be made spectacles to the Dutch.  To be overcome is the fortune of war, but to fly is the fashion of cowards."
 
George Monck, Duke of Albemarle is credited for "to be overcome is the fortune of war"
 
Closest thing I could come to the 3RCHA question is this, and when i found it, I thought I had the right answer,..... alas.
SHILO, Manitoba — To support an increased mission in Afghanistan, artillery units will be deploying with a new Howitzer. Last month, A Battery, 1 Royal Canadian Horse Artillery (1 RCHA), positioned four of the new M777 behind the officers’ mess for a ceremonial first shot. The senior gun in the Corps of the Artillery fired the first round.

This detachment, commanded by Sergeant Paul Dolomont, is the same that fired the last round from an M109 before it was removed from service in 2005.
Right Gun, wrong Regt, wrong decade........but for some reason, 35C comes to mind for 1992?
 
AJFitzpatrick said:
What is the origin (time and meaning) of having a chat?

Lice bed bugs etc... commonly refered to as chats. Often these little creatures would burrow into the seams of a mans clothing and  the only way to get them out was to squeeze them out of the seams. (Much like popping bubble wrap cept not as fun).

Groups of men would gather round in groups and sqeeze these things out of the seams of thier clothes and talk or swap stories.

IE having a chat.
 
mover1 said:
Lice bed bugs etc... commonly refered to as chats. Often these little creatures would burrow into the seams of a mans clothing and  the only way to get them out was to squeeze them out of the seams. (Much like popping bubble wrap cept not as fun).

Groups of men would gather round in groups and sqeeze these things out of the seams of thier clothes and talk or swap stories.

IE having a chat.

Correct. It is why I stay out of chat rooms you never know what you might pick up.
 
What was the name of the first battle the Portugese fought in India, and who was the commander? How many battles is this man reputed to have won?
 
Rhibwolf is correct about George Monck, Duke of Albemarle, being the source for that quotation.  The occasion was the end of the first day of the Four Days' Fight, English versus the Dutch in 1666.  (Sorry I didn't get back to you on this sooner, but I was away from e-mail for a few days!)
 
From wikipedia  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_d'Albuquerque:

D. Afonso de Albuquerque

Early life

Born in Alhandra in the year of 1453, near Lisbon, Portugal, he was for some time known as The Great, and as The Portuguese Mars. Through his father, Gonçalo de Albuquerque, Herr von Vila Verde dos Francos (married to Leonor de Menezes), who held an important position at court, he was connected by illegitimate descent with the royal family of Portugal. He was educated in mathematics and classical Latin at the court of Afonso V of Portugal, and after the death of that monarch seems to have served for some time in Africa. On his return he was appointed estribeiro-mor (chief equerry) to John II.
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Expeditions to the East
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First Expedition, 1503-1504

In 1503 he set out on his first expedition to the East, which was to be the scene of his future triumphs. In company with his kinsman Francisco he sailed round the Cape of Good Hope to India, and succeeded in establishing the king of Cochin securely on his throne, obtaining in return for this service permission to build a Portuguese fort at Cochin, and thus laying the foundation of his country's empire in the East.
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Operations in the Persian Gulf and Malabar, 1504-1508

Albuquerque returned home in July 1504, and was well received by King Manuel I of Portugal, who entrusted him with the command of a squadron of five vessels in the fleet of sixteen which sailed for India in 1506 under Tristão da Cunha. After a series of successful attacks on the Arab cities on the east coast of Africa, Albuquerque separated from Da Cunha, and sailed with his squadron against the island of Ormuz, in the Persian Gulf, which was then one of the chief centres of commerce in the East. He arrived on September 25, 1507, and soon obtained possession of the island, though he was unable long to maintain his position.

With his squadron increased by three vessels, he reached the Malabar coast at the close of the year 1508, and immediately made known the commission he had received from the king empowering him to supersede the governor Francisco de Almeida. The latter, however, refused to recognize Albuquerque's credentials and cast him into prison, from which he was only released, after three months' confinement, on the arrival of the grand-marshal of Portugal with a large fleet, in November 1509. Almeida having returned home, Albuquerque speedily showed the energy and determination of his character. On this date he became the second viceroy of the State of India, a position he will hold until his death.[2]
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Operations in Goa and Malacca, 1510-1511

Albuquerque intended to dominate the Muslim world and control the spices' trading network. [2] An unsuccessful attack upon Calicut (modern Kozhikode) in January 1510, in which the commander-in-chief received a severe wound, was immediately followed by the investment and capture of Goa. Albuquerque, finding himself unable to hold the town on his first occupation, abandoned it in August, to return with the reinforcements in November, when he obtained undisputed possession. He next directed his forces against the Sultanate of Malacca, which he subdued August 24th 1511 after a severe struggle. He remained in the town nearly a year in order to strengthen the position of the Portuguese crown. For that matter, he ordered the slaughter of all the Muslim population in an effort to reduce religious divergence hoping that it would force hindus and Muslims to convert to christianity.[3]
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Various operations, 1512-1515

In 1512 he sailed for the coast of Malabar. On the voyage a violent storm arose, Albuquerque's vessel, the Flor do Mar, which carried the treasure he had amassed in his conquests, was wrecked, and he himself barely escaped with his life. In September of the same year he arrived at Goa, where he quickly suppressed a serious revolt headed by Idalcan, and took such measures for the security and peace of the town that it became the most flourishing of the Portuguese settlements in India. Albuquerque had been for some time under orders from the home government to undertake an expedition to the Red Sea, in order to secure that channel of communication exclusively to Portugal. He accordingly laid siege to Aden in 1513, but was repulsed; and a voyage into the Red Sea, the first ever made by a European fleet, led to no substantial results. In order to destroy the power of Egypt, he is said to have entertained the idea of diverting the course of the Nile River and so rendering the whole country barren. His last warlike undertaking was a second attack upon Ormuz in 1515. The island yielded to him without resistance, and it remained in the possession of the Portuguese until 1622. Perhaps most tellingly, he intended to steal the body of the Prophet Mohammed, and hold it for ransom until all Muslims had left the Holy Land.
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Political downfall and last years

Albuquerque's career had a painful and ignominious close. He had several enemies at the Portuguese court who lost no opportunity of stirring up the jealousy of King Manuel against him, and his own injudicious and arbitrary conduct on several occasions served their end only too well. On his return from Ormuz, at the entrance of the harbour of Goa, he met a vessel from Europe bearing dispatches announcing that he was superseded by his personal enemy Lopo Soares de Albergaria. The blow was too much for him and he died at sea on December 16, 1515.

Before his death he wrote a letter to the king in dignified and affecting terms, vindicating his conduct and claiming for his son the honours and rewards that were justly due to himself. His body was buried at Goa in the Church of our Lady. The king of Portugal was convinced too late of his fidelity, and endeavoured to atone for the ingratitude with which he had treated him by heaping honours upon his natural son Brás de Albuquerque (1500—1580).[4] In 1576, the latter published a selection from his father's papers under the title Commentarios do Grande Affonso d'Alboquerque which had been gathered in 1557.[5]

The Indians long remembered his benign rule, and used to visit his tomb to pray him to deliver them from the oppression of his successors.


This is from:
http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/history.htm

Vice-Roy of India,  D. Afonso de Albuquerque, a military genius of the highest degree commanded a fleet of six ships manned by four hundred men, and entered Ormuz Bay, being surrounded by 250 warships and a 20.000 men army on land ready to dispatch the small Portuguese flotilla.

When the King of Ormuz sent aboard an emissary to question Albuquerque, the great Commander told the messenger one phrase: Surrender yourselves !!!

This must have provoked an inner laugh from the messenger who left.

When the battle begun, Albuquerque made his fleet circle like a carrousel and destroyed most of the ships. He then proceeded to conquer Ormuz with 400 men.
 
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