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And Mark Critch of This Hour Has 22 Minutes.
https://youtu.be/BbmHVnA0JLg
https://youtu.be/BbmHVnA0JLg
Politics in 2018
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In the "Shocked. Shocked!" department, noted political hot potato Jaspal Atwal posted online images of his security passes to parliament hill... as a visitor of Conservative MPs Devinder Shory, Parm Gill and Bal Gosal.
https://twitter.com/PMLaurier/status/970762630616018944
https://twitter.com/PMLaurier/status/970762630616018944
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........and even Warren Kinsella chimes in and takes the PM to the woodshed. You can't get much further left and liberal than Kinsella.
Apologies if posted elsewhere.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156310197768945&id=510623944&ref=bookmarks
Apologies if posted elsewhere.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156310197768945&id=510623944&ref=bookmarks
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Now that was funny! :nod:recceguy said:
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YZT580 said:
You assume. Liberals have been tossed out before: it all depends on what comes next, and how many people they piss off. Buggering up the economy would be a swamp for them. (And they see that too, which is no doubt why they have consulted Tory expertise in their attempts to defend a Tory NAFTA policy against Trump)
There are swing voters of various types (Red Tories like me, for example) who are thinking more and more each day that if the Tories can get a reasonable platform together, and generate some more confidence in their leader, we might just vote PC (again ;D)
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recceguy said:
He is a frequent guest on "Charles Adler Tonight" on Corus talk radio stations in Western Canada and Ontario. Since I started listening frequently last fall (when Morneau was rolling out the changes to small business taxes), Kinsella has been very critical of the Liberals. I haven't seen Kinsella this critical of the Grits since his old boss, Chretien, was pushed out by Martin's caucus putsch.
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So, now for something (slightly..) different.
A while back I suggested that the real "left wing" in Canada. who are opposed to everything on principle, at some point shade off into Marxists and Anarchists.
Well, here they are in all their glory:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/locke-street-riot-1.4564035
The usual rhetoric. Their target (ironically) seems to have been the small businesses of people who might be bumper-stickered as "left wingers" because they support various social causes, or try to run ethically based business, or use organic products or whatever.
Well, as usual, the real "left wingers" (as opposed to the left of centres) have no time for that sort of soppy rubbish! Smash those cowardly gentrified lace curtain socialists!!
Just as "real" right-wingers have no time for "cuckservatives".
It's idiots like these, and the people on their side of the centre who refuse to disavow and condemn them(left or right), who are making reasonable political discourse more and more difficult.
A while back I suggested that the real "left wing" in Canada. who are opposed to everything on principle, at some point shade off into Marxists and Anarchists.
Well, here they are in all their glory:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/locke-street-riot-1.4564035
The usual rhetoric. Their target (ironically) seems to have been the small businesses of people who might be bumper-stickered as "left wingers" because they support various social causes, or try to run ethically based business, or use organic products or whatever.
Well, as usual, the real "left wingers" (as opposed to the left of centres) have no time for that sort of soppy rubbish! Smash those cowardly gentrified lace curtain socialists!!
Just as "real" right-wingers have no time for "cuckservatives".
It's idiots like these, and the people on their side of the centre who refuse to disavow and condemn them(left or right), who are making reasonable political discourse more and more difficult.
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And inaction on the side of authorities who let them run amok without swooping and scooping them up.
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jollyjacktar said:
Actually, if you read the Inspector's account, he decided (probably wisely) that the two constables on the scene wouldn't achieve much and might be at risk on their own. He pulled them back. He then triggered a much larger deployment, but it sounds like by the time that was getting traction, the anarchists had already started dispersing.
If people don't apply for a parade permit, you can't be sure a march or assembly will happen, so it's pretty hard to justify deploying too many resources "just in case". That said, given the nature of the folks gathering at the Anarchist Book Show (how would that work, anyway...? ??? ), some more uniforms handy might have been a good idea.
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CBC conducts own investigation into Coulton Boushie death: RCMP 'sloppy' and 'negligent' in investigating Colten Boushie's death, say independent experts
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/rcmp-sloppy-and-negligent-in-investigating-boushie-death-say-independent-experts-1.4564050
The only sentence that is relevant to the whole thing is of course, just about at the end of the article: "The experts CBC consulted agreed that errors were made, but did not conclude it would have changed the outcome of the trial."
The Crown has until March 12 to appeal, and with the political crap storm and probable violence that will occur if they don't, we can expect an appeal likely on a technical or evidentiary matter, and not the charge to the jury.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/rcmp-sloppy-and-negligent-in-investigating-boushie-death-say-independent-experts-1.4564050
The only sentence that is relevant to the whole thing is of course, just about at the end of the article: "The experts CBC consulted agreed that errors were made, but did not conclude it would have changed the outcome of the trial."
The Crown has until March 12 to appeal, and with the political crap storm and probable violence that will occur if they don't, we can expect an appeal likely on a technical or evidentiary matter, and not the charge to the jury.
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pbi: I tend to agree especially on the apparent need to vandalize and destroy, and while the quote below is no excuse, it is also stands for a proposition that some people with core marxist beliefs are at work, and marxists are only vandals until they take power, at which point ruthless control and discipline are used against people to preserve power over property. As Mr. Sallows once pointed out, the best way to deal with the left is to let the extreme left take over for a while:
"When someone decides to be a capitalist, making money through their investments rather than through their labour, their position relative to changes in the city becomes fundamentally different. Gentrification, as an example: when rents go up, it means they make more money (rather than lose their home); when prices go up and rich people move in, it means a chance to sell luxury goods (while we work for minimum wage); when more police and surveillance come in, it secures your investment (while we get harassed and pushed out)," the post reads.
I wonder if this is just the beginning of an upsurge of very radical, very violent urban issue where any excuse will do...
"When someone decides to be a capitalist, making money through their investments rather than through their labour, their position relative to changes in the city becomes fundamentally different. Gentrification, as an example: when rents go up, it means they make more money (rather than lose their home); when prices go up and rich people move in, it means a chance to sell luxury goods (while we work for minimum wage); when more police and surveillance come in, it secures your investment (while we get harassed and pushed out)," the post reads.
I wonder if this is just the beginning of an upsurge of very radical, very violent urban issue where any excuse will do...
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whiskey601 said:
IMHO "gentrification" is an over used term and beloved of people who are too shiftless to do anything other than whine about somebody else's success. I would much, much rather see a neighbourhood where small business (even left of centre small business!!!) thrive, with cleaned up streets and parks, and tidied-up homes where people show some pride of ownership and sense of community, than a run down, garbage strewn, addict infested s****hole where you need six locks on your door.
Now, that doesn't mean I automatically support soaring rents, huge condos all over the place, and shops nobody can afford to go to. (My daughter rents in a recovering neighbourhhod in Kingston and I don't want to see her driven out). This is what these far-left sorts are trying to conjure up when they use the term "gentrification".
I think we have already seen urban violence by the far left such as Black Bloc, etc. Fortunately I think that they represent a very small minority of Canadians, just as their opposite numbers (or is that "equivalents") on the far right are a tiny group (in Canada, at least.
These people no more represent me (or anybody else) because I have some left of centre ideas, than La Meute or StormFront represents me because I have some right of centre ideas.
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pbi said:
There's an Anarchist Bookstore in Montreal. I've seen it. Who knew there were that many colouring book and crayon sets out there about their lifestyle.
I would have expected it should have been possible for a better response as I'm sure they were at it for a while to get their 15 minutes of fame on TV as l saw.
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pbi said:
I don't think they're intelligent enough for anything more advanced past Dick and Jane books.
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Jarnhamar said:
This was on campus so largely invisible to most of the population. On the way home from work yesterday, I was listening to CBC covering the story. They gave air time to on individual who defended the right of the Professor to speak (and of the University to give him the space), but they also interviewed a woman who was against Peterson. Ok-fair enough to cover both sides.
She trotted out accusations of hate, marginalization, fear, incitement of violence, etc. Her argument seemed to centre around the idea that if the student body hear speakers like Johnson, numbers of them will immediately be inspired to harrass and attack LGBTQ students on campus. She classified his presentation as "hate speech".
The interviewer asked her some good questions, such as "who, then, should be allowed to decide what speech is allowed?" and "doesn't Johnson have a right to express his opinion also?". Her answers (after some logical gymnastics) were both basically that people like Johnson should be shut down.
Now, I've never heard Johnson speak, and I'm only partially informed on his stance. I don't know what he said in Kingston. If he incited people to break the law or to commit violence, that is against the law. If he actively incited hatred, by saying that LGBTQ people are bad or dangerous or not deserving of rights only because of their sexual orientation, then that is also wrong. I have two gay adult children, and a good friend has a trans adult child. I don't want them hurt, or treated stupidly, by anybody.
But, if all Johnson did was say that he doesn't want to use certain types of pronouns, or he disagrees with the movement to change the language, or he thinks free speech is being stifled, then I say let him speak freely, and safely. Let him be challenged and debated: not heckled, shouted down or threatened.
Is that not the whole idea behind the free exchange of ideas which should characterize a unversity? Kudos to Queen's for letting him speak. Next time, allow a forum for civilized debate and let's see how that goes.
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