I'm not trying to make excuses for the programme, but if one reads contemporary literature, it seems the consensus was that the native culture was doomed. The solution, which not recognized for what later generations would view it as, was to prepare the next generation to cope with the "white world." The above may have been kinder to the design of the residential schools programme than they deserve, but we were not the only ones trying it. The Americans also had something like it - see the Indian residential school at Carlisle, PA - and others may also have tried. Bottom line - it was a failed programme that was destructive to a way of life, and the surviving participants deserve compensation.
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Ok, just a question. What other race or tribe of people in the history of the world were offered agreements that stated they would look after the displaced / conquered people cradle to grave feeding and care to the end of time? I can't think of any off hand. Throughout history only slaves were given this type of due care and attention and we all know how that worked out.
Every human being comes into this world differently, No one is guaranteed lifelong security. The best you can hope for is the freedom to think and act on your own without oppression.
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I can't think of any offhand, either. That said, does this negate the Treaties already in place?Jed said:
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One could argue that the residential schools program was designed to remove by force the highlighted portion.
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Old Sweat said:
Agreed. As my old man used to say 'life is not fair as much as we may want it to be' The justified butt hurt can not go on forever. Determine what our collective compensation is and cut loose the never ending feed tube. There will be no peace until we are all equal in the eyes of the beholder.
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At one level, the Treaties and the residential school system could be seen to come from the same impulse: one group thinking they can improve the lot of a minority, or "take care" of them. And I can guess what some folks around these parts would have to say about, say, the current government coming up with a "let's take care of group x" scheme 
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Aye. I wuz. I wuz aye bein telt that I wuznae speaking richt and that only Scots fowks spelt learnt the roads that I learnt it. And d'ye ken whut? When I wuz doon in London, mah school mates were telt exactly the same thing aboot speaking "common".
Admittedly my parents weren't objecting ower much. They just got a good chuckle out of the efforts to speak "proper" English.
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milnews.ca said:At one level, the Treaties and the residential school system could be seen to come from the same impulse: one group thinking they can improve the lot of a minority, or "take care" of them. And I can guess what some folks around these parts would have to say about, say, the current government coming up with a "let's take care of group x" scheme
Paternalism and equality of outcomes or Liberty and equality of opportunity.
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:nod: Pick your poison ...Chris Pook said:
Well put - and that's a two-sided coin, as well.Chris Pook said:
How many Mics and Macs here in Canada are only Canadians as a result of very similar actions by the land barons of Scotland and Ireland? The history of the Orkneys is also very much one of forced moves and mandated language training. Why, for a while even the kilt was flatly forbidden so native Americans do not have an exclusive complaint. You cannot re-write the past and make it better and you are better off not to try. What is happening and has happening for a long time is a few opportunists are cashing in by creating a public relations nightmare for government.
The end result is potentially as damaging as the schools were. People who are dependent upon the largess of others as many of these groups are suffer from poor self-esteem, have little personal motivation and end up with alcohol and drug dependencies. Families suffer from abuse and neglect and the incidence of personal crime increases. These are problems that our nanny attitude has created and throwing cash at them out of guilt is not the answer. They truly cannot live in a white man's world because we pay them too much for them to have to. And those are the key words. HAVE TO. Take away the cheques and the handouts and assist in establishing industry, markets for their products and pride in their accomplishments. My two cents
The end result is potentially as damaging as the schools were. People who are dependent upon the largess of others as many of these groups are suffer from poor self-esteem, have little personal motivation and end up with alcohol and drug dependencies. Families suffer from abuse and neglect and the incidence of personal crime increases. These are problems that our nanny attitude has created and throwing cash at them out of guilt is not the answer. They truly cannot live in a white man's world because we pay them too much for them to have to. And those are the key words. HAVE TO. Take away the cheques and the handouts and assist in establishing industry, markets for their products and pride in their accomplishments. My two cents
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YZT580 said:
The reason the American's have their Second Amendment is because the Highlanders under the Hanoverians and the Borderers under the Stewarts were both denied the right to bear arms unless they were pledged to the King. This saw MacDonalds massacred in Glencoe and Grahams nailed to their burning doors at the hands of the Government during pacifications.
Stuff happens. The way I see it it was an even match when the Grahams met the folks that ate the hearts of French missionaries. It was a right good match. But that game is over.
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I'm considering taking Rome to the international courts for restitution for the Roman occupation. Of particular note is the destruction of our religion by Suetonius in 52 AD and the forced Romanization of the indigenous peoples of Britain. The Welsh side of the family never did cave in to them, but one case at a time
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A large slice of the Canadian public want illegal border crossers deported.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-almost-half-canadians-want-illegal-border-crossers-101048596.html
WINNIPEG, Manitoba/OTTAWA (Reuters) - Nearly half of Canadians want to deport people who are illegally crossing into Canada from the United States, and a similar number disapprove of how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is handling the influx, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Monday.
A significant minority, four out of 10 respondents, said the border crossers could make Canada "less safe," underlining the potential political risk for Trudeau's Liberal government.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-almost-half-canadians-want-illegal-border-crossers-101048596.html
WINNIPEG, Manitoba/OTTAWA (Reuters) - Nearly half of Canadians want to deport people who are illegally crossing into Canada from the United States, and a similar number disapprove of how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is handling the influx, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Monday.
A significant minority, four out of 10 respondents, said the border crossers could make Canada "less safe," underlining the potential political risk for Trudeau's Liberal government.
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jmt18325 said:
The interesting thing about law is that it can be changed. The law must balance between protecting the minority's rights while following the constitution (although I believe the constitution as a whole only covers Canadian citizens, with non-citizens being granted the rights laid out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms) while ensuring that the majority's will is respected (as per democracy(.
Your absoluteness on every subject must be a real conversation starter at parties.
illegals are just that: illegal. And as such, they are criminals who are openly defying Canadian law. Some argument can be made for ensuring that they are not forced to return to a country where their lives are in jeopardy (that is called an extenuating circumstance) but for those whose only reason for being here is a fatter paycheck those rules don't, and should never apply. Instead they should be prosecuted under the law and sent back with the requirement to remit to the Canadian government the costs of housing, feeding and ensuring their safety until such time as they are escorted onto the first available aircraft.(for which they should also pay)
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