- Reaction score
- 1,795
- Points
- 1,160
The above sums it up very well.
Political impacts of Ukraine war
- Thread starter KevinB
- Start date
daftandbarmy
Army.ca Fossil
- Reaction score
- 36,129
- Points
- 1,160
Perfect... and sad...
PrairieFella
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 1,674
- Points
- 960
Mike Myers is such a gem.
- Reaction score
- 9,564
- Points
- 1,160
As Brexiteer Tusk is kind of the enemy of my enemy. Having said that he is fairly representing Poland and I agree with him.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Some of those Atlantic countries could send some of their combat aircraft forwards to Finland, the Baltics, Poland and Romania. Or if that is a step to far forward for them send them to Germany and Czechia.
Ukraine-Russia war latest: Starmer: Europe must do heavy lifting under new Ukraine plan
Europe must do the “heavy lifting” under a “new” plan presented by Sir Keir Starmer following crunch talks with leaders in London.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Some of those Atlantic countries could send some of their combat aircraft forwards to Finland, the Baltics, Poland and Romania. Or if that is a step to far forward for them send them to Germany and Czechia.
- Reaction score
- 2,368
- Points
- 1,090
Russian AFV supplies running low? Maybe now is not the time to push for a peace deal?
- Reaction score
- 31,053
- Points
- 1,090
What Trump real estate deal that seemed about to collapse just got buyers coming in at multiples of valuation, you mean.
HavokFour
Full Member
- Reaction score
- 105
- Points
- 480
Some good news for those poor animals, and Ukrainian drone operators that have to perform the gruesome task (on said donkeys).
BBC is covering the European summit on Ukraine and the subsequent comments from global leaders.
Highlight appears to be a proposed four point plan for Ukrainian security championed by Keir Starmer, among which appears to be a proposal to form a ‘coalition of the willing’ to put “boots on the ground, and planes in the air”.
I expect we’ll see well informed commentary on this in the coming days, but obviously to most eye opening comments would see to be those suggesting the possibility of a coalition military force.
Zelensky-Starmer latest: Starmer announces European four-point plan to reach peace and defend Ukraine
"We are at a crossroads in history," the prime minister says, while Ukrainian President Zelensky meets the King in Sandringham.
www.bbc.com
Highlight appears to be a proposed four point plan for Ukrainian security championed by Keir Starmer, among which appears to be a proposal to form a ‘coalition of the willing’ to put “boots on the ground, and planes in the air”.
- To keep military aid flowing into Ukraine,
- To have Kyiv at the table for any peace talks,
- For European leaders to to aim to deter any future Russian invasion of Ukraine and;
- A "coalition of the willing" will be formed to defend Ukraine and guarantee peace there.
I expect we’ll see well informed commentary on this in the coming days, but obviously to most eye opening comments would see to be those suggesting the possibility of a coalition military force.
Brad Sallows
Army.ca Legend
- Reaction score
- 9,371
- Points
- 1,040
1. To keep military aid flowing into Ukraine,
Not much help if it's just a continuation of allowing Russia to slowly win.
2. To have Kyiv at the table for any peace talks,
Statement of obvious.
3. For European leaders to to aim to deter any future Russian invasion of Ukraine and;
Security guarantees. Worth about as much as past security guarantees.
4. A "coalition of the willing" will be formed to defend Ukraine and guarantee peace there.
The only remarkable point on the list. Summer campaigning season is fast approaching. I'm very interested to see what they put up.
Not much help if it's just a continuation of allowing Russia to slowly win.
2. To have Kyiv at the table for any peace talks,
Statement of obvious.
3. For European leaders to to aim to deter any future Russian invasion of Ukraine and;
Security guarantees. Worth about as much as past security guarantees.
4. A "coalition of the willing" will be formed to defend Ukraine and guarantee peace there.
The only remarkable point on the list. Summer campaigning season is fast approaching. I'm very interested to see what they put up.
- Reaction score
- 24,850
- Points
- 1,360
Russia’s gaining a bit of ground but at a gradually reducing rate of gain, and yet it can’t even take back its own land in Kursk…most assessments note that Russia is rapidly approaching a societal and economic tipping point…we’ll see I guess while this variant of ‘peace’ is noodled by the various players.
Wasn’t so obvious when Trump said MBS was hosting him and Vlad, without Zelenskyy.
So what would make any security guarantee by joint American and Russian agreement any more worthy than European guarantees.
Indeed. Interesting to see who mates up to the coalition.
No agreement signed by Putin and Trump without boots on the ground from ALL Nato countries and a commitment to initiate Article 5 if Russia so much as sends a reconnaissance drone over the border is worth any more than the paper its printed on. I also haven't heard anyone demanding that the children that have been kidnapped be sent home which should be one of the minimum concessions
That would require Russia to admit it has taken those children and he won’t do that.
- Reaction score
- 2,855
- Points
- 1,190
This idea has ways seemed silly to me. "We won't let them in NATO, with the exception that we will treat them as a NATO member for the purposed of Article 5, arguably the most important article I the NATO constitution." if Russia won't accept Ukraine in NATO, why would they accept such an arrangement? It's tantamount to being the same thing.
- Reaction score
- 2,368
- Points
- 1,090
I wonder if we are going to see more and more NK equipment in Russia or Chinese if there is no ceasefire. It seems clear that refurbishment and stocks can not keep up with losses. Will these countries be willing to throw away their inventory on this war? Perhaps Europe wishes to run down Russian war stocks to nothing?
- Reaction score
- 24,168
- Points
- 1,260
NK and Iran, but both of those countries won’t want to totally deplete their own forces. While SK isn’t likely to jump across the border, Iran probably doesn’t get the same feelings from its neighbors.
- Reaction score
- 24,168
- Points
- 1,260
No the point to Art 5 is IF NATO forces are in Ukraine and attacked by Russia then that would trigger Art 5.
Even though I wrote it I agree with your comments which is why a just settlement short of total victory is not attainable. Russia is already saying they won't accept European piecekeepers at all so unless that changes the gathering of the willing is a non-starter. If they change and say they will accept European piecekeepers and those soldiers don't have the backing of their respective nations should Russia start hostilities again (including the little grey men) we will end up with a lot of body bags. A solution is just not in the cards.
Russia wants a negotiated solution based on a fait accomplit. The Europe could choose to move forces into Ukrainian flanks and rear areas to free Ukrainian forces up and to deliver more local training as Ukrainian units rotate to the deep rear. That could itself be then presented as a fait accomplit in subsequent rounds of negotiations.
If Russia wants to preface things with “Fuck you, we’re already here”, other interested parties could, with Ukraine’s invitation, do the same.
Czech_pivo
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 2,894
- Points
- 1,260
This is (below) along the lines of what I've posted last week - What if Trump is angling to bring Russia directly into the US economic fold, related to his comments of 'Canada has nothing that we need' statements.
Institute of War -
www.understandingwar.org
Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed to Kremlin journalist Pavel Zarubin on February 24 that Russia has an "order of magnitude" more rare earth materials than Ukraine and stated that Russia can cooperate with both the US government and US companies in capital investment projects for rare earth materials.[4] Putin referred to mineral reserves both within Russia and within occupied Ukraine in his attempts to appeal to the United States to invest in "Russian" rare earth minerals (claiming minerals in occupied Ukraine as Russia's own). Putin also offered to conclude deals with the United States on the supply of Russian aluminum. CEO of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) and newly appointed Special Presidential Representative for Investment and Economic Cooperation with Foreign Countries Kirill Dmitriev told CNN on February 24 that Russia is open to economic cooperation with the United States, that the first stage of cooperation would be in the energy sphere, and that such cooperation is key for a "more resilient global economy."
Our Federal Government should be VERY concerned about this chatter. Russia can supply many many things to the US cheaper than we here in Canada can. Trump is ALL about getting 'the best deal' for the US and getting these raw resources cheaper for the US and drawing Russian in, towards the US and away from China is a 'win' for the US.
Institute of War -
Institute for the Study of War
Recent Russian official statements in response to the proposed US-Ukraine mineral deal indicate that the Kremlin is trying to sabotage the deal through narratives targeting Ukrainian and American audiences. The Kremlin is claiming that this mineral deal
Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed to Kremlin journalist Pavel Zarubin on February 24 that Russia has an "order of magnitude" more rare earth materials than Ukraine and stated that Russia can cooperate with both the US government and US companies in capital investment projects for rare earth materials.[4] Putin referred to mineral reserves both within Russia and within occupied Ukraine in his attempts to appeal to the United States to invest in "Russian" rare earth minerals (claiming minerals in occupied Ukraine as Russia's own). Putin also offered to conclude deals with the United States on the supply of Russian aluminum. CEO of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) and newly appointed Special Presidential Representative for Investment and Economic Cooperation with Foreign Countries Kirill Dmitriev told CNN on February 24 that Russia is open to economic cooperation with the United States, that the first stage of cooperation would be in the energy sphere, and that such cooperation is key for a "more resilient global economy."
Our Federal Government should be VERY concerned about this chatter. Russia can supply many many things to the US cheaper than we here in Canada can. Trump is ALL about getting 'the best deal' for the US and getting these raw resources cheaper for the US and drawing Russian in, towards the US and away from China is a 'win' for the US.
Similar threads
