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Pay Raise For Fiscal Year 2006

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"WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LUMP SUM PAYMENTS AND THE NEW CPO1/CWO PAY STRUCTURE AS PROGRAMMING CHANGES TO THE CCPS ARE FROZEN AS A RESULT OF THE PENSION MODERNIZATION EFFORTS"

Is the backpay this lump sum? If it is, I wonder when we will get that. 
 
"WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LUMP SUM PAYMENTS AND THE NEW CPO1/CWO PAY STRUCTURE AS PROGRAMMING CHANGES TO THE CCPS ARE FROZEN AS A RESULT OF THE PENSION MODERNIZATION EFFORTS"

Is the backpay this lump sum? If it is, I wonder when we will get that.

FOR GSOS (CDR/LCOL AND BELOW), PILOTS (CDR/LCOL AND BELOW) AND MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICERS (A/SLT/2LT AND SLT/LT)

A RETROACTIVE LUMP SUM OF PAY IN THE AMOUNT OF 0.86 PERCENT FOR EACH MONTH OF FY 05/06

I believe this is the lump sum refered to...
 
Okay, gotcha.  Thanks for clairfying that for me. Looking forward to spending some of this on Christmas gifts for the kiddo's
 
OK -- so here's a couple of questions. If I was to do a news story on these raises, can anyone help me out with the following:
1. Does the CF pay better/worse than our NATO allies? Whose military has the gold-plated compensation package?
2. Is 2.62 per cent a fair raise?

Happy to entertain all comments here or to dakin@ctv.ca.

Thanks -- and congratulations!
 
Ok this might seem dumb but here I go. If I did a CT from Reserve to Regular Force would they still give me my retro pay from the reserve from the date of pay raise?
 
DavidAkin said:
OK -- so here's a couple of questions. If I was to do a news story on these raises, can anyone help me out with the following:
1. Does the CF pay better/worse than our NATO allies? Whose military has the gold-plated compensation package?
2. Is 2.62 per cent a fair raise?

Happy to entertain all comments here or to dakin@ctv.ca.

Thanks -- and congratulations!
Hi David,
    IMHO, 2.62% isn't bad considering the annual inflation rate is slightly higher and we have waited the usual 6 months but we get it backpaid (nice, just before Christmas). It is not always automatic.  Personally, I can't b*tch about our current pay scale/salary, I think we are paid higher than most NATO countries but we lag in other areas.  I have to pay for OHIP for my famiy whereas, I believe the US forces, get thier family health care at the base hospital. I pay high rent for base housing in accordance with the local economy, whereas other forces get free housing (rumour?)
  Not sure about the gold-plated retirement package, haven't gotten to that point, yet.
  Also, I think they are trying to keep the retention rates up by paying us to stay in instead of getting out and either collecting our pensions or getting a job at the local gas bar. 
  My 0.02 worth.  GP    :) 
 
elminister said:
Ok this might seem dumb but here I go. If I did a CT from Reserve to Regular Force would they still give me my retro pay from the reserve from the date of pay raise?

Yes.  You do not lose entitilement to a retro pay raise, even if you release.
 
Canada pays very well compared to many NATO countries. I believe, but could be wrong, that the only country with higher pay than us is Australia. I know on KAF we were definitly the envy of many yanks and brits for how much we are payed, especially for the overseas bonuses we receive
 
Here is a link to the new pay amounts

http://www.dnd.ca/hr/dgcb/dppd/engraph/download_e.asp?docid=2&sidesection=3
 
BYT Driver said:
IMHO, 2.62% isn't bad considering the annual inflation rate is slightly higher

Inflation in Canada has been below 2.62% for the last few years. Currently it's at 1.7%

So, it's more then strictly an economic adjustment.

To the reporter: is 2.62% a fair raise? Considering we just had economic adjustment raises last year, and now we get another one, it's great. Non-union workers rarely see cost-of-living adjustments of this nature so frequently, let alone even those who are unionized. The raise is more then fair.
 
Rob221 said:
Here is a link to the new pay amounts

http://www.dnd.ca/hr/dgcb/dppd/engraph/download_e.asp?docid=2&sidesection=3

Been posted a few times already......if you look at the final page that the PDF file is on, you will see that it matches http://www.dnd.ca/dgcb/dppd/engraph/Apr2006CF_payrates_e.pdf   which was posted three pages before this one.

So.....anyone wanting to post more links......please check first that they have not already been posted.
 
From what I read on the canforgen, the pay adjustment (retro pay included) should be in by mid December pay.
 
DavidAkin said:
OK -- so here's a couple of questions. If I was to do a news story on these raises, can anyone help me out with the following:
1. Does the CF pay better/worse than our NATO allies? Whose military has the gold-plated compensation package?

Here are the links to the US, UK, and Australian (I know not NATO, but they are included in ABCA) pay rates

http://www.dod.mil/dfas/militarypay/newinformation/WebPayTableVersion2006updated.pdf
http://www.army.mod.uk/servingsoldier/condofserv/mm/index.html
http://www.defence.gov.au/dpe/dpe_site/Pay_Allow_Mar_06.pdf

There difficulty in determining who has the better pay, 1) comparing rank structure, a Coporal in the Canadian Force may be at a different Pay Level than say a Corporal in the US or UK and visa versa.  2) Certain Bonus and Allowances (ie parachutist, overseas, hardship, post living differential etc.) may come into play.  While one country may have an allowance to offset the expenses for living in area with a high cost of living (which we do and it's called Post Living Diffirential or PLD for short), another country may not. 3)Taxation and Cost of Living are different not only from country to country, but within country as well.  There are probably quite a few other things I missed (Supplementary Health Care, Education etc.) but I think you get the idea that its not that easy comparing pay from country to another


2. Is 2.62 per cent a fair raise?

Happy to entertain all comments here or to dakin@ctv.ca.

Thanks -- and congratulations!

Again fair raise in comparison to what?  To me, first you would need to sort out the regular occupations and the specialist occupations, because the latter of which received an additional raise on top of the 2.62%.  Second you would have to look at all the different occupations in the CF and compare them to  what thier civillian counterparts/equivalents earn,(and this is if they even have something comparable in the civillian world, some occupations like infantry have no equvialent), while taking in rank and experience as both of these increase your pay.  Even still you might still have a wide gap in pay between the CF and the civy world.  Example, our Medical Technicians most direct civillian equivalent are Paramedics.  By the time a Medical Technician is fully qualified they could be at the Pte 3 or Cpl 1 end of the payscale, which now translates into around 47k-50k without any additional allowances.  Civy Side a brand new fully qualified Paramedic can earn anywhere from the high 30k range to just over 60k, as a starting salary, depending on where in the country they are and which service they work for.  Third I would look into what the average pay increase has been for both private sector, and public sector employees, union and non-union.

So as you can see if you planned on doing a story, your going to need to do some serious number crunching, if you wish to portray an accurate picture.  Know any good accountants?
 
DavidAkin said:
OK -- so here's a couple of questions. If I was to do a news story on these raises, can anyone help me out with the following:
1. Does the CF pay better/worse than our NATO allies? Whose military has the gold-plated compensation package?
2. Is 2.62 per cent a fair raise?

Happy to entertain all comments here or to dakin@ctv.ca.

Thanks -- and congratulations!

Please note that increases in the CF pay scales are linked to the public service pay scales. I have no idea how this is done, your best bet is to talk to someone at DCBA. They are the ones that come up with the numbers.

The CF is one of the best paid military forces in the world, as well we should be IMHO, as we are one of the most professional. But as Hatchet Man stated, side-by-side comparisons are difficult due to different rank structures, terms of service, etc...
 
For David Akin and all youngsters:

Waaaay back when inflation was at 15%+ and mortgage rates were close to 20%, and a fellow named Jean Chrétien was finance minister, and dumbazz the petty, provincial, pseudo-intellectual poltroon was prime minister, pay raises were about 3%.

There was an arm’s length board which recommended military pay scales.  It recommended that pay rise towards something within shouting distance of the inflation rate.  The government of the day was horrified: “What!?!  Pay soldiers a decent wage!?!  Go away!  They’re here for the romance, not the finance.  2% will do nicely.”

The CDS and MND of the day finally got a system of public service comparability past cabinet.  Benchmarks were used – one was lieutenant colonel and a senior grade of an engineer in the public service and another was related to public service draughtsmen and military engineer NCOs I seem to recall.  The real key was the two year delay – the military got whatever the PS had achieved in its last round of bargaining – which was, usually two years before the military pay raise was due.

I doubt much has changed.

The system was meant to be fairly mechanistic so that the politicians could not do too much serious harm – no matter how much our fellow citizens wanted to have us all marched over the hill to the poor house.

It worked.  During my career (35+ years) we went from being very highly paid by allied (Australia, UK and US) standards to being bloody poorly paid, by the same standards, to being, once again I think, quite adequately paid by those same standards.  I’m not sure how the entire pay/benefits package stacks up.
 
ParaMedTech said:
IF that's the case, I call shenanigans.  Well, maybe not shenanigans, but BS.



Shenanigans! shenanigans! shenanigans!

Cheers,
TN2IC
 
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