Paid Education [Merged]

[ags281]

I should certainly hope they continue it, or at least create a similar replacement. With the difficulty of getting on course and lack of a guarantee for summer work, the education bonus is just about the only thing that students can be positive they'll get sometimes. Without that program, I'm pretty sure many units would start to die, as a number of students would have to give it up for other jobs that are more reliable. Tossing out the primary recruitment demographic wouldn't be cool. I think that, right up to the very top, people have realized the value of the program during this trial and will keep it around (or at least I hope).

 

[ZipperHead]

I'm curious as to what end a petition would have on a government policy. Call me cynical, but the powers that be aren't going to be swayed by a petition. I'm sure if the members of the Canadian Airborne Regiment circulated a position to stop their disbandment, it would have received 10's of thousands of signatures (or hundred's of thousands....). I don't think that would have swayed their (the gov't) decision.

A classic line comes to mind: "We're here to defend democracy, not practice it". I'm not a barrack block lawyer (enough in this forum already....) but I think a petition could be a dangerous thing to be running around with. Let your shop steward handle the matter. Oh, I forgot, we're not in a union, either...... Holding your breath until your face turns blue won't work, either.

Learn to accept what comes your way. You're a member of the military, not an office drone, who can go on strike because they cancelled the company picnic.

Al

 

[Stakhanov]

So it will be coming to an end in August, as the trial period is over?  I dunno, one would almost think you could get the government on false advertising, as all the recruitment posters I see on busses etc, still have that program advertised in shiny big bold letters, just waiting to sap in us poor university students!.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Excuse the "all caps", that's how CANFORGENS get published.


CANFORGEN 135/04 ADMHRMIL 068 021526Z NOV 04
EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT- PRIMARY RESERVE (P RES)

UNCLASSIFIED

REFS: A. CBI 210.801
B. ADM(HR-MIL) INSTRUCTION 04/01

1. A FOUR-YEAR TRIAL TO PROVIDE EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE P RES
CONCLUDED IN AUG 04. THE TRIAL WAS MOST SUCCESSFUL AND IT IS BEING
IMPLEMENTED AS A SUBSTANTIVE CF PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES BOTH UNDERGRADUATE AND
GRADUATE PROGRAMS AT CANADIAN UNIVERSITIES OR COLLEGES.

2. EFFECTIVE 1 SEP 04 IAW THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET OUT IN REF A,
ELIGIBLE P RES OFFICERS AND NCMS WHO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE BASIC
MILITARY QUAL (BMQ) COURSE REQ D BY THEIR ENVIRONMENT MAY CLAIM FIFTY
PERCENT OF EDUCATION EXPENSES TO A MAX OF $2K PER ACADEMIC YEAR AND A CAREER
MAX OF $8K (INCLUDING EXPENDITURES UNDER THE TRIAL) FOR POST SECONDARY
EDUCATION LEADING TO A DIPLOMA, DEGREE OR ADVANCED DEGREE AT A CANADIAN
COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY OR ACCREDITED EDUCATION INSTITUTION. REIMBURSEMENT IS
SUBJECT TO SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF ACADEMIC COURSES AND MAINTENANCE OF
EFFECTIVE STRENGTH STATUS IN THE P RES.

3. TO ACCESS THE PROGRAM, MBRS SHALL SUBMIT AN INDIVIDUAL LEARNING PLAN
(ILP) THROUGH THEIR UNIT TO THE W/BPSO OUTLINING THEIR EDUCATION PRIORITIES,
OBJECTIVES AND ASSOCIATED COSTS.

4. CLAIMS FOR THE ACADEMIC YR SEP 03 TO AUG 04 MAY BE PROCESSED IAW REF
B.

5. INFORMATION ON THE PROGRAM IS PROVIDED ON THE CDA WEB SITE INTRANET
HTTP://CDA-ACD.MIL.CA/INDEX/ENGRAPH/HOME_E.ASP
<http://cda-acd.mil.ca/index/engraph/home_e.asp> . INTERNET
HTTP://WWW.CDA-ACD.FORCES.GC.CA/INDEX/ENGRAPH/HOME_E.ASP
<http://www.cda-acd.forces.gc.ca/index/engraph/home_e.asp> . QUESTIONS MAY
BE DIRECTED THROUGH UNITS TO W/BPSO. A TOLL FREE NUMBER HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED
AT 1-888-541-6889 AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST MEMBERS FOR EXTENDED HOURS
AS PER THE CDA WEB SITE.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Excuse the 'all caps, that's how CANFORGENS get published.


CANFORGEN 136/04 ADMHRMIL 067 021555Z NOV 04
CHANGES TO CF EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAMS

UNCLASSIFIED

REFS: A. DAOD 5031-3
<http://admfincs.mil.ca/admfincs/subjects/daod/5031/3_e.asp> 
B. CANFORGEN 042/01
<http://vcds.dwan.dnd.ca/vcds-exec/pubs/canforgen/2001/042-01_e.asp> 
C. CBI 210.80
D. ADM (HR-MIL) INSTR 17/04 EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE REG
FORCE
E. CBI 210.802 SKILLS COMPLETION PROGRAM - REGULAR FORCE
F. ADM (HR-MIL) INSTR 06/03 ADVANCED DEGREE PART-TIME PROGRAM FOR
REG FORCE OFFICERS
G. ADM (HR-MIL) INSTR 01/99 EDUCATION UPGRADING (PART-TIME) FOR
SERVING REG FORCE OFFICERS
H. ADM (HR-MIL) INSTR 18/04 ADVANCED DEGREE PART-TIME PROGRAM FOR
REG FORCE OFFICERS
I. ADM (HR-MIL) INSTR 19/04 INITIAL BACCALAUREATE DEGREE PART- TIME
FOR REG FORCE OFFICERS
J. CANFORGEN 114/04
<http://vcds.dwan.dnd.ca/vcds-exec/pubs/canforgen/2004/114-04_e.asp> 
K. CBI 210.801 EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT - P RES

1. FOLLOWING A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT (ER)
PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE STUDY ON THE MEMBERS OWN TIME, A REVISED SUITE OF
PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO PROMOTE CONTINUOUS LEARNING HAS BEEN APPROVED. FULL
TIME SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS ARE UNCHANGED.

2. EFFECTIVE 1 NOV 04 EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT UNDER THE PERSONAL
ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM (PEP ER) AT REFS A AND B IS CANCELLED AND REPLACED BY
THE REG FORCE ER PROGRAM (REG F ER) AND THE SKILLS COMPLETION PROGRAM (SCP).

3. REG F ER AT REF D PROVIDES FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF EDUCATION
EXPENSES FOR OFFICERS AND NCMS WHO WISH TO UNDERTAKE PART-TIME STUDY TO
UPGRADE THEIR EDUCATION AND PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS IN THE INTEREST OF
THE CF.

4. SCP AT REF E PROVIDES FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF EDUCATION EXPENSES
FOR ELIGIBLE REG FORCE MBRS TO UPGRADE THEIR MILITARY SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE
TO A CIVILIAN EQUIVALENT OR TO OBTAIN A CIVILIAN CERTIFICATION OR BOTH
LEADING DIRECTLY TO SECOND CAREER CIVILIAN EMPLOYMENT. MBRS WITH TEN YEARS
OF CUMULATIVE REG F SVC MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT TO A MAXIMUM OF
FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR UP TO TWO YEARS AFTER RELEASE OR TRANSFER FROM THE
REG F. AN INDIVIDUAL LEARNING PLAN (ILP) SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE B/WPSO
FOR APPROVAL NLT 30 DAYS BEFORE RELEASE OR TRANSFER. MBRS WITH A UNIVERSITY
DEGREE, COLLEGE DIPLOMA, CURRENT CIVILIAN PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION OR
TRADE ACCREDITATION ARE NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT UNDER SCP.

5. THE ADVANCED DEGREE PART-TIME AND EDUCATION UPGRADING PART-TIME
PROGRAMS FOR REG F OFFICERS AT REFS F AND G HAVE BEEN AMENDED TO SET THE
MAXIMUM ER LIMIT AT TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. REFS H AND I PROVIDE
DETAILS.

6. TO ACCESS ALL ER PROGRAMS, MEMBERS SHALL SUBMIT AN ILP AS DIRECTED
BY THE CANADIAN DEFENCE ACADEMY (CDA) OUTLINING THEIR EDUCATION PRIORITIES,
OBJECTIVES, PROPOSED COURSES AND ESTIMATED COSTS. ILP INFORMATION IS
PROVIDED ON THE CDA WEBSITE.

7. SERVING REG AND RES MBRS WHO HAVE MADE IRREVOCABLE FINANCIAL
COMMITMENTS PRIOR TO 1 NOV 04 MAY SUBMIT A CLAIM TO THE DESIGNATED B/WPSO
FOR CONSIDERATION BY CDA UNDER THE TERMS OF THE ER PROGRAM IN EFFECT PRIOR
TO 1 NOV 04. IAW REF J, FOR COURSES STARTED ON OR AFTER 20 AUG 04, ER WILL
ONLY BE PROVIDED FOR COURSES AND PROGRAMS LEADING TO A UNIVERSITY OR COLLEGE
DEGREE/DIPLOMA, SECONDARY SCHOOL COMPLETION OR EQUIVALENCY OR PROFESSIONAL
CERTIFICATE. PERSONAL INTEREST COURSES, LEISURE COURSES OR LEARNING
ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE CF OR DO NOT DIRECTLY LEAD TO
SECOND CAREER EMPLOYMENT WILL NOT BE REIMBURSED.

8. FORMER REG FORCE MEMBERS RELEASED PRIOR TO 1 NOV 04 MAY SUBMIT AN
ILP TO CDA FOR CONSIDERATION UNDER THE TERMS OF THE ER PROGRAM THAT WAS IN
EFFECT ON THEIR RELEASE DATE.

9. FULL TIME P RES MEMBERS ARE TO REFER TO REF K FOR DETAILS ON THE NEW
P RES ER PROGRAM.

10. CF ER PROGRAM DETAILS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CDA WEBSITE INTRANET
HTTP://CDA-ACD.MIL.CA/INDEX/ENGRAPH/HOME_E.ASP
<http://cda-acd.mil.ca/index/engraph/home_e.asp>  OR INTERNET
HTTP://WWW.CDA-ACD.FORCES.GC.CA/INDEX/ENGRAPH/HOME_E.ASP
<http://www.cda-acd.forces.gc.ca/index/engraph/home_e.asp>  A TOLL FREE LINE
HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AT 1-888-541- 6889 TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO MEMBERS
DURING EXTENDED HOURS SET OUT ON THE WEBSITES.

 

[Northern Touch]

Well that's some good news for us students!

 

[pbi]

Mike: you beat me to the punch! Great news! Cheers.

 

[Matt_Fisher]

That's great news!  I wish that program had been in place when I was in the reserves.

 

[foerestedwarrior]

Mike: you beat me to the punch! Great news! Cheers.

ditto, well some of the guys in my mess were pretty pleases that it was back.

 

[JBP]

I am SOOOOO glad that the program has been instituted!!! It just makes sense!

This is a huge benefit for someone like me who has been living on thier own since 18, working full time and DOESN'T QUALIFY for OSAP!!!

Question if someone could help.

The recruiter told me this program works only if it has relevance to your job in the reserves or future career with the Forces. Understandable obviously, but would a diploma from college in Law+Security or Police Foundations be reimbursed if I'm Infantry????

Joe
???

 

[Northern Touch]

I am SOOOOO glad that the program has been instituted!!! It just makes sense!

This is a huge benefit for someone like me who has been living on thier own since 18, working full time and DOESN'T QUALIFY for OSAP!!!

Question if someone could help.

The recruiter told me this program works only if it has relevance to your job in the reserves or future career with the Forces. Understandable obviously, but would a diploma from college in Law+Security or Police Foundations be reimbursed if I'm Infantry????

Joe
???

I know of more then one person in my unit being reimbursed for Police foundations.  So it looks like your in luck.

 

[JBP]

Thank you VERY much! It eases my stress level just to hear that! Not like it's an expensive course to take as far as college courses go, but when your looking at the prospect of forking it all out yourself it's kinda nasty. Great!

Happy camper here!  :warstory:

 

[bossi]

Some particular praise and thanks are due to the Army Staff who fought for this when somebody else at NDHQ tried to cancel this plan.

A good example of "know your troops and promote their welfare"
(something that's called 'leadership')

Thanks, MGen Caron (and all the other staff who helped fight this battle).

 

[pbi]

My understanding of this was it was a fight between the A/CLS MGen Caron and various bean-counter wienies in VCDS shops. Chalk one up for the Army! Now-lets expand this program to community colleges so we can start revitalizing our CSS units in the Res with civ equivalencies. Cheers.

 

[zerhash]

hrmm would this encompass fire protection at seneca college if i was in a reserve engineer unit?

 

[pbi]

hrmm would this encompass fire protection at seneca college if i was in a reserve engineer unit?

During the Reserve Roles Missions and Tasks Townhall series in 38 CBG, one of our COs who was also a volunteer firefighter brought up a similar idea: he suggested that some of the VFF training such as Incident Command, High Angle Rescue (rappelling and climbing), etc had value to the military in various ways, and thus Res soldiers taking Firefighter Courses at community colleges should be eligible for reimbursement. I see some merit in this: in general I think we will benefit from a broader interpretation of what is useful rather than a narrow one. (Some wisdom will have to be applied, of course...) Cheers.

 

[Spr.Earl]

Shit I wish I was younger !!
The Marine Collage here in Van. is no longer teaching Merchant Marine Engineer Course's for 2nd Engineer or Chief Engineer,for me to up grade to 2nd Engineer I have to go down east to Halifax or the Rock and I doubt at my age the Force's will give me a break.
But if the Collage was still teaching I'd be game!!

You young Ladies and Gent.'s take advantage,you are getting somthing I never got when I joined in 76,all's I got was 56 Pattern webbing ;D

Go for it!!

 

[zerhash]

who was trying to get this removed anyways?

 

[The_Falcon]

pbi this program applies to community colleges as well, The CANFORGEN clearly states university and college programs (also read this it explains in more detail than the CANFORGEN http://www.cda.forces.gc.ca/er/engraph/policies/CBI/210-801_e.asp).  Use the second link that was provided and it tells you what to do.  Specifically you have to submit an online ILP (individual learning plan  http://www.cda.forces.gc.ca/er/engraph/ILP/ilp_form/ilp.asp)  if you go there, there is a spot about half-way through were you have to justify/explain "how your proposed ILP will benefit the CF and/or lead directly to second career employment. Your statement may include additional information supporting your ILP, such as why you chose a particular educational program or institution. You must attach the statement on a separate sheet." (there words not mine).

So there you have it, your program does not have to directly relate to your MOC.

 

[Meridian]

For officers, pretty easy, given that a degree is a requirement by the forces, so it clearly benefits them.   BUt I'm sure they just want to see that you've thought about it.