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Underway: Irving looking for Scots workers too:
Mark
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Mark
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New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
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Underway said:
It hit the fan two days ago, on Talk Radio here. Lots of unemployed Canadian carpenters in Halifax and environs.
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Start barricading government offices and the front gate and they might get action.George Wallace said:
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For fitting and carpentry work? I find that hard to believe, yes they have never done that particular work before, but there is this thing called training and anyone with the available skills can learn the details quickly. Since we are paying a premium already to ensure jobs for Canadians, I don't want companies reneging on that social contract.
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It's only going to get worse when the trade deal with the EU is finalized. There are plenty of clauses for contract and gov't work to go to bidders from outside of the country (conversely, Cdn firms can get work in the EU). Get used to this sort of thing. If it means we get more ships or more capable ships then sell the whole damn thing out to the Spanish for all I care.
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My opinion, worth exactly what you're paying for it, is that "workers" are not the problem, management is.
It is fairly common, amongst some so-called conservatives, especially, to blame workers and unions and generous social programmes and so on for our rather dismal productivity. That's nonsense, in my opinion.
I think we have, broadly, second rate corporate management in Canada and I think part of that is the fault of politicians going all the way back to "the great Sir John A," who erected protectionist walls that, effectively, weakened Canadian industry by shielding it from the sort of healthy competition that makes enterprises more competitive and productive.
It might well be that what helped turn Davie around, making it much more innovative and productive, was foreign ownership and management and, equally, that what makes Bomardier or Irving relatively unproductive is Canadian ownership and management.
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It is fairly common, amongst some so-called conservatives, especially, to blame workers and unions and generous social programmes and so on for our rather dismal productivity. That's nonsense, in my opinion.
I think we have, broadly, second rate corporate management in Canada and I think part of that is the fault of politicians going all the way back to "the great Sir John A," who erected protectionist walls that, effectively, weakened Canadian industry by shielding it from the sort of healthy competition that makes enterprises more competitive and productive.
It might well be that what helped turn Davie around, making it much more innovative and productive, was foreign ownership and management and, equally, that what makes Bomardier or Irving relatively unproductive is Canadian ownership and management.
My :2c:
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E.R. Campbell: :bowing:
Indeed. Our "capitalists" have essentially succeeded in such, essentially protected, fields as beer (now taken over by foreign firms), liquor and groceries. Wow. Ask any non-Canadian to name a manufactured product we export and you will get a big blank (few know Bombardier is Canadian and few knew Blackberry was). Compare with, say, Sweden, Switzerland etc.
Mark
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Indeed. Our "capitalists" have essentially succeeded in such, essentially protected, fields as beer (now taken over by foreign firms), liquor and groceries. Wow. Ask any non-Canadian to name a manufactured product we export and you will get a big blank (few know Bombardier is Canadian and few knew Blackberry was). Compare with, say, Sweden, Switzerland etc.
Mark
Ottawa
Uhh, I can't name a a product from those countries either.
This is the usual Canadian self immolation. Canada has the world's third largest aerospace company. It's required a lot of help, just as have the first largest, second largest, and fourth (and fifth and...). Blackberry was for a time another success story. Canada's finaccial services sector and energy and mining sectors are other areas of success.
We're a pretty successful country overall. We simply have a high bar to compare ourselves to just to the south.
This is the usual Canadian self immolation. Canada has the world's third largest aerospace company. It's required a lot of help, just as have the first largest, second largest, and fourth (and fifth and...). Blackberry was for a time another success story. Canada's finaccial services sector and energy and mining sectors are other areas of success.
We're a pretty successful country overall. We simply have a high bar to compare ourselves to just to the south.
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Interesting. I was just sort of offered a job with the CSC team working at Irving.
I had to explain to the gent about my past experiences with Irving, and why I will never put my name on a business card that has the Irving logo on it. I don't even like buying gas from Irving stations.
I had to explain to the gent about my past experiences with Irving, and why I will never put my name on a business card that has the Irving logo on it. I don't even like buying gas from Irving stations.
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jmt18325 said:
I would hardly call being a modern form of Robber Baron and screwing the common folks a success. Unless you're a shareholder.
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jollyjacktar
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Forgive me if I don't join you in celebrating legalized thieves. However fantastic they might be at rolling their victims.
Next, I fear you'll be wanting me to thumbs up pedophiles or lawyers, or used car salesmen or...
Next, I fear you'll be wanting me to thumbs up pedophiles or lawyers, or used car salesmen or...
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Not to metion this (although Saab & Bofors is mentioned) ...Chris Pook said:
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Er, Ikea anyone?
Mark
Ottawa
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