New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[jollyjacktar]

No no no that's the second place team in the bathtub races they do out west each year.

 

[Journeyman]

Boaty McBoatface did win the online poll (what else did they expect by asking the internet  :) .....

So the current Defence Policy Review may produce exactly  the results the government has in mind.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The real question here (re: the Resolve project ship named ???) is where the f*&^% does she keep those LCVP's?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Ssh no facts or question allowed. They know they just need to spread the Bovine Feces deep on the shingle to keep the Ministers happy. I like what they are doing and don't think they need to put out stuff like this, but then I don't control the cheque book.

 

[quadrapiper]

The real question here (re: the Resolve project ship named ???) is where the f*&^% does she keep those LCVP's?

In the traditional manner:

 

[Kirkhill]

In the traditional manner:

 

[Cloud Cover]

In HADR ops, supposedly the ship will have "up to 8 rapidly deployable small boats."  There doesn't appear to much room to store 2 LCVP on the main deck. But it is a good question, otherwise it is a quite misleading depiction.
Im actually happy Davie is doing this. If they were to replicate the feat in double time, and configure another Asterix class into a multi role support ship with some other unique capability enhancements, there would be nothing stopping (other than money) the RCN from using the vessel or Davie making the vessel available on a charter basis to other navies. The fact they are doing this iin spite of the dysfunctional procurement system speaks well to entrepreur"ship". After the defence review,  support ships with significant HADR features may be the only remaining viable future of the blue water RCN (+ AOPS). It would fit the Trudeau doctrine of "make support, not war." 

 

[Kirkhill]

In HADR ops, supposedly the ship will have "up to 8 rapidly deployable small boats."  There doesn't appear to much room to store 2 LCVP on the main deck. But it is a good question, otherwise it is a quite misleading depiction.
Im actually happy Davie is doing this. If they were to replicate the feat in double time, and configure another Asterix class into a multi role support ship with some other unique capability enhancements, there would be nothing stopping (other than money) the RCN from using the vessel or Davie making the vessel available on a charter basis to other navies. The fact they are doing this iin spite of the dysfunctional procurement system speaks well to entrepreur"ship". After the defence review,  support ships with significant HADR features may be the only remaining viable future of the blue water RCN (+ AOPS). It would fit the Trudeau doctrine of "make support, not war."

Resolve

MV Cragside - US SOF Base (Converted Maersk Ferry)

Point Class RoRos - similar to the original MV Cragside vessel

How about 3 or 4 of these converted to a standard similar to the MV Cragside? - Freighters, Sea-Base, Disaster Response. 

Crew of 18 to 22. 

These are the types of vessels the RCN would be convoying in times of war in any event - the role would be to get these vessels from point  A to point B undamaged.  Maybe add some RCNR anti-air/anti-pirate specialists.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Chris: I like your optimism in the Trudeau era. You are thinking about getting some capability to move things for fighting wars or even peace making. 

 

[Kirkhill]

Whoops! There goes another rubber tree plant!  [

 

[Colin Parkinson]

You could run at least 1 as a Royal Canadian Fleet Auxiliary, with reasonable rent out rate to move NATO and other select countries stuff as requested.

 

[Kirkhill]

Further to the thought - here is an article from ThinkDefence that lays out the capabilities of Cragside.

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2014/01/return-auxiliary-mothership/

One thing that really caught my eye was this:

The Contractor shall independently operate all deck equipment to include the craft handling/launching systems.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sort of related

The Honourable Hunter Tootoo, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, announced this week that the construction contract for seven new survey vessels has been awarded to Kanter Marine Inc. of St. Thomas, Ontario.  The $5.3 million investment will go towards customized hydrographic survey vessels that will be outfitted with permanent state-of-the-art multibeam sonar systems to help the Canadian Hydrographic Service continue to meet rigorous international standards for hydrographic surveys. The vessels are currently expected to begin construction immediately, with production and delivery to be complete by March 2017. Fisheries and Oceans Canada expects to take receipt of the first vessel by October 2016. http://www.cosbc.ca/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=2418:seven-new-vessels-for-chs&Itemid=294

http://kantermarine.com/kanter-news/

along with this https://www.vesselfinder.com/news/5944-Fugro-to-provide-hydrographic-survey-services-to-CHS-in-Canada

 

[Underway]

Article from last quarters Canadian Military Journal comparing MOTS vs new build.  Never quite realized how difficult doing the two different ship classes with maximized similarity effected risk and cost.  I suppose if you do the right planning and go the MOTS++ direction it will probably work.  I know there is not an assumption aside from hull, hotel and engines that the ships will be the same.

 

[Kirkhill]

Article from last quarters Canadian Military Journal comparing MOTS vs new build.  Never quite realized how difficult doing the two different ship classes with maximized similarity effected risk and cost.  I suppose if you do the right planning and go the MOTS++ direction it will probably work.  I know there is not an assumption aside from hull, hotel and engines that the ships will be the same.

Interesting concept - to my eye it looks like HDMS Absalon with the Thales Integrated Mast from the HNLMS Holland.

 

[jmt18325]

Sort of related

The Honourable Hunter Tootoo, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, announced this week that the construction contract for seven new survey vessels has been awarded to Kanter Marine Inc. of St. Thomas, Ontario.  The $5.3 million investment will go towards customized hydrographic survey vessels that will be outfitted with permanent state-of-the-art multibeam sonar systems to help the Canadian Hydrographic Service continue to meet rigorous international standards for hydrographic surveys. The vessels are currently expected to begin construction immediately, with production and delivery to be complete by March 2017. Fisheries and Oceans Canada expects to take receipt of the first vessel by October 2016. http://www.cosbc.ca/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=2418:seven-new-vessels-for-chs&Itemid=294

http://kantermarine.com/kanter-news/

along with this https://www.vesselfinder.com/news/5944-Fugro-to-provide-hydrographic-survey-services-to-CHS-in-Canada

All part of the same program, so very related.

 

[Lumber]

Whatever happened to designing ships to actually look menacing? Sigh...

 

[Kirkhill]

Absalon

Iver Huitfeld - lower counter than Absalon or the CSC Concept. - suggesting, in addition to the large hangar, a large mission bay-boatdeck in the CSC, similar to Absalon

 

[Karel Doorman]

Interesting concept - to my eye it looks like HDMS Absalon with the Thales Integrated Mast from the HNLMS Holland.

Well Chris if this is the chosen concept and the sensor array would be that of the "Hollands"(probably an evolution)it could do worse. [

The OPV's are distinguished by the integrated mast supplied by Thales which virtually all sensor systems are housed. It contains a Thales Sea Master 400 (SMILE) air warning radar, a Thales Sea Watcher 100 (SeaStar) surface warning radar and Thales Gatekeeper infrared / electro-optic warning system. The Gatekeeper is a new product and used HD cameras to detect inter alia periscopes and divers in the sea a short distance. In the top of the mast is further an antenna for satellite communications. At the corner points of the pyramid-shape antenna assemblies are arranged in front of the (military) UHF and VHF radio bands. The vessels may make observations up to a distance of 140 nautical miles .The Holland class recently revealed to build a better air picture during an exercise than a Type 45 destroyer specializing in air defense.

gr,walter

ps,in my mind ,it could look a bit more menacing too,more like "Iver"

 

[Underway]

It's just an artist concept sketch.  The actual ship will look like it looks when the integrator and designer are chosen.  I wouldn't be surprised if there is a significant superstructure difference (outside of the hangar) between the different classes as well given the CMJ article.  Also ships have a good side, 

just like all of us.
For me I look better in the dark (at least that's what my wife says)  ???. 

I wouldn't be surprised if the APAR mast was part of the ship.  Every drawing, sketch, indication points in that the direction.  Does that give Thales (and whomever their design partner is) an inside track or is it just a matter of still buying the equipment that we want and just having the combat systems integrator "integrate it".  I'm assuming the latter...