New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
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Oldgateboatdriver
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Navy_Pete said:
Just a small correction, here, Navy_Pete: In last ditch effort just as it got out of Creditor protection under the Bankruptcy Act with new (foreign, BTW) owners, Davie managed to get a chance at putting together a bid for the non-combat part of the NSS (same as the one Seaspan got), and after getting a short extension of deadline, did put in a bid.
However, they did not "lose", they were declared non-compliant because during the protection period, the collective agreement had expired and they did not have a chance to have a new one in place. A collective agreement covering the first five (I believe, or at least four) years from the day the bid went in was a requirement and Davie didn't have one.
I don't call that losing since the technical part of their bid was not even reviewed or considered.
P.S. I used to practice law at the Montreal law firm who handled that for Davie, though not at the time, but I still have good contacts.
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Oldgateboatdriver said:
That's not true at all; their bid was accepted, evaluated and scored. That included a full technical evaluation, cost review, IRB review/scoring etc. I spent weeks of my life reviewing all three bids and the evals, not sure what else to tell you. Davie was allowed to bid, was scored, and was an unsuccessful bid because the other two were scored higher. They've spent years trying to control the narrative and make it sound like they would have won but for some pesky bureaucratic loophole, but the fact is they were outbid by both other shipyards. Not sure what else to tell you, but your winger is wrong. :dunno:
Here's a link to a CBC story and a CTV news story about the announcement; you'll notice both include Davie as a bidder and indicate they weren't selected; can't pull up any GoC press releases prior to 2015.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/halifax-b-c-yards-win-shipbuilding-work-1.1000979
https://www.ctvnews.ca/halifax-wins-25-billion-shipbuilding-contract-1.713515
A good feature of both Japanese and Korean shipbuilding structure for their respective Navies is that the two companies do build same ship-classes (and boats): Mitsubishi/Kawasaki heavy industries or Daewoo/Hyundai.
The fact is that we're talking about only one Polar icebreaker, but if we talked about two, it might be of interest to award one to Seaspan and the other to Davie. It would allow (i guess) to make some kind of competition for efficiency and on-time delivery.
The fact is that we're talking about only one Polar icebreaker, but if we talked about two, it might be of interest to award one to Seaspan and the other to Davie. It would allow (i guess) to make some kind of competition for efficiency and on-time delivery.
It might be two. If it is two, another possibility, if it is a modular design, is to ask Seaspan, Davie, and Heddle to each build a third of the modules with final assembly of one icebreaker at Seaspan and final assembly of one icebreaker at Davie.JMCanada said:
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Odds on first CSC being launched in 2027?
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Launched, or started? Launched 10-1. Started 1-1. After all, there is a contract in place that has deliverables.............
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Colin Parkinson
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Meanwhile back in the UK, the future HMCS Glasgow is getting her bow attached, quite a few good photo's at this twitter feed https://twitter.com/hashtag/HMSGLASGOW?src=hashtag_click
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Are we naming one of ours Glasgow as well?
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Close. We are naming a ship HMCS ClassGrow, in an effort to generate sp of middle earners.Are we naming one of ours Glasgow as well?
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Lead ship of the class, important to us and AustraliaAre we naming one of ours Glasgow as well?
Seaspan Shipyards Wins Contract To Build Oceanographic Vessel For Canadian Coast Guard
Today, the Honourable Anita Anand, Minister of Public Services and Procurement, and the Honourable Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, announced that the Government of Canada has awarded a contract of $453.8 million (taxes included) to Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards to enable the company to transition the offshore oceanographic science vessel (OOSV) project from the design phase to full construction.
Construction of the OOSV will begin in spring 2021, with delivery expected in 2024.
www.navalnews.com
Today, the Honourable Anita Anand, Minister of Public Services and Procurement, and the Honourable Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, announced that the Government of Canada has awarded a contract of $453.8 million (taxes included) to Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards to enable the company to transition the offshore oceanographic science vessel (OOSV) project from the design phase to full construction.
Construction of the OOSV will begin in spring 2021, with delivery expected in 2024.
Seaspan Shipyards Wins Contract to Build Oceanographic Vessel for Canadian Coast Guard - Naval News
The Government of Canada has awarded a contract of $453.8 million (taxes included) to Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards for construction of the offshore oceanographic science vessel (OOSV)...
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Cost has tripled, insane--2016 story:Seaspan Shipyards Wins Contract To Build Oceanographic Vessel For Canadian Coast Guard
Today, the Honourable Anita Anand, Minister of Public Services and Procurement, and the Honourable Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, announced that the Government of Canada has awarded a contract of $453.8 million (taxes included) to Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards to enable the company to transition the offshore oceanographic science vessel (OOSV) project from the design phase to full construction.
Construction of the OOSV will begin in spring 2021, with delivery expected in 2024.
Seaspan Shipyards Wins Contract to Build Oceanographic Vessel for Canadian Coast Guard - Naval News
The Government of Canada has awarded a contract of $453.8 million (taxes included) to Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards for construction of the offshore oceanographic science vessel (OOSV)...
Budget for building oceanographic research ship inadequate, cabinet told
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The Canadian Press has learned that federal bureaucrats have warned the Liberals that the current $144 million budget for the offshore oceanographic science vessel is inadequate and will need to be topped up in order to complete the vessel...
Budget for building oceanographic research ship inadequate, cabinet told
Cabinet will soon be asked to pump more money into one of the key civilian projects under the national shipbuilding strategy in what's expected to be the first test of the Trudeau government's commitment to stick with the Conservative-era program.www.ctvnews.ca
And 2015-16 gov't report:
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Delivery of Offshore Oceanographic Science Vessel: 2017-18
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Now 2024. Nuts.
Mark
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so why the delay issuing the build order? There was no competition issues to resolve so the whole thing must have been tied up in developing the blueprints which in turn implies that planning has been ricocheting back and forth between Seaspan and the coast guard trying to reconcile what was reasonable and what was a dream. Probably not the fault of Seaspan as they would be drafting what was asked for. I can't see hull or propulsion design ever being a drag but rather the little bits and pieces. Every science team afterall would want their dream lab. Goodness knows they have waited long enough to receive a purpose-built platform.
so no problems that can be attached to the NSS concept per se. Perhaps it is simply attributed to our lack of practice in actually accomplishing something
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"Re-announcing" the art of repeating your promise just before an election.Seaspan Shipyards Wins Contract To Build Oceanographic Vessel For Canadian Coast Guard
Today, the Honourable Anita Anand, Minister of Public Services and Procurement, and the Honourable Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, announced that the Government of Canada has awarded a contract of $453.8 million (taxes included) to Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards to enable the company to transition the offshore oceanographic science vessel (OOSV) project from the design phase to full construction.
Construction of the OOSV will begin in spring 2021, with delivery expected in 2024.
Seaspan Shipyards Wins Contract to Build Oceanographic Vessel for Canadian Coast Guard - Naval News
The Government of Canada has awarded a contract of $453.8 million (taxes included) to Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards for construction of the offshore oceanographic science vessel (OOSV)...
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