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Go back a bit and read latest improvements on dress and ddeportment…and what would those be?
Go back a bit and read latest improvements on dress and ddeportment…and what would those be?
Most non-Navy Bases I've been on had "Assistant BCWO's", who were usually a senile NCO who's job, amongst others, were ensuring Base Duty NCO's were assigned/briefed/backstopped, did inspections on shacks in lieu of the BCWO, etc. Esquimalt, as you mentioned, there was a Regulating CPO that assisted the Base Chief that did that, and usually had a P1/P2 to do some of their day to day stuff - was usually a P1 that contacted me about being Duty WO, etc...they used to get mad at me for refusing to be called "POOD", since (a) I was a WO, not a PO1 and (b) am not/wasn't shit.This will blow your mind, but in the navy they have had a Cox'n's Writer or Regulating Petty Officer to assist the CPO1 for decades at least.
The Command CWOs don't just carry the Commanders's briefcase and yell at people who forget to salute the staff car...
Yes, the other element chiefs have EAs as well. No other staff dedicated to them.
Most Base chiefs (at least in RCAF bases) also have EAs, but are usually Sgts or WOs, not MWOs.
This finally got changed in 2016 sometime I think...my memory is failing at what year, but it was changed.10 years later, I'm still miffed that Borden had created an official rule to say that navy members working on the base were not allowed to wear ball caps, even if they still belonged to a unit that wore ball caps. They HAD to wear a beret with their NCDs. Not sure if it's still a rule.
Let's take it a step further.How about for a revolutionary idea we get rid of the concept of a permanent defined elemental uniform and instead dress troops based off the unit they are posted to.
Posted to the Pet? Army DEU. Posted to HMCS Halifax? Navy Deu. Posted to Cold lake? Airforce deu. Just have your cap badge reflect your trade/regiment.
This whole, ‘always Navy/Army/Airforce’ special rule for me but not for thee crap is stupid, doesn’t promote unity, and makes us look like garbage.
How about the folks in the NCR, CFRG, or OUTCAN? Those aren’t always (or usually) element-defined positions.How about for a revolutionary idea we get rid of the concept of a permanent defined elemental uniform and instead dress troops based off the unit they are posted to.
Posted to the Pet? Army DEU. Posted to HMCS Halifax? Navy Deu. Posted to Cold lake? Airforce deu. Just have your cap badge reflect your trade/regiment.
This whole, ‘always Navy/Army/Airforce’ special rule for me but not for thee crap is stupid, doesn’t promote unity, and makes us look like garbage.
Simple. Everyone in Ottawa wears the SOF DEUs.How about the folks in the NCR, CFRG, or OUTCAN? Those aren’t always (or usually) element-defined positions.
What happens if an infantry officer gets posted out of trade to be (for example) LO to an RCN unit - do they wear whites and be called LCdr?
How about for a revolutionary idea we get rid of the concept of a permanent defined elemental uniform and instead dress troops based off the unit they are posted to.
Posted to the Pet? Army DEU. Posted to HMCS Halifax? Navy Deu. Posted to Cold lake? Airforce deu. Just have your cap badge reflect your trade/regiment.
This whole, ‘always Navy/Army/Airforce’ special rule for me but not for thee crap is stupid, doesn’t promote unity, and makes us look like garbage.
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This finally got changed in 2016 sometime I think...my memory is failing at what year, but it was changed.
The CFRG "CWO" (put in brackets cuz they were a CPO) fought for Navy members at CFRG to be allowed to wear their ballcaps. The rule finally got changed and last time I was up in Borden I was still seeing Navy members in NCD's/NECU's wearing ballcaps.
This whole, ‘always Navy/Army/Airforce’ special rule for me but not for thee crap is stupid, doesn’t promote unity, and makes us look like garbage.
I’ve worn both Army and Navy uniforms at this point. The special rule system we have is stupid and pointless.I feel like you and Hellyer would have been good drinking buddies.
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That's because the Marines and USN have over 200 years of working together and that both are under the same department. USMC is likely the only entity in the world that is considered a separate service where in other nations their marines are integral part of their navy.The Marines and the USN are a great example of how this type of relationship could work instead of our work against each other for ‘insert X groups’ benefit.
Service before self.That's because the Marines and USN have over 200 years of working together and that both are under the same department. USMC is likely the only entity in the world that is considered a separate service where in other nations their marines are integral part of their navy.
Hellyer tried to shoe horn 3 completely different cultures who had very little experience working together into one cohesive force in a 3 year period. Then the arsehole left. It was never going to work.
It's not always unicorns and rainbows between the USN and USMC. The ongoing fight between them over fleet composition is just one example.The Marines and the USN are a great example of how this type of relationship could work instead of our work against each other for ‘insert X groups’ benefit.
Maybe go back and re-read your post and keep particular note of the part where you say…It really wouldn’t cost much more than it currently does. Its not like people are shifted elements that often. It just means those who spend significant amount of time outside there ‘element’ would be matched in appearance and issued kit. We likely spend more on people outgrowing their DEUs each year than what this would cost.
Anyone either in a joint MOSID, or in an environmental MOSID that can support multiple environments from different joint locations, may be required to change DEUs dependent on the posted unit they end up in post-APS. As a green aviator posted to blue, green and dark blue bases numerous times I would have had at least nine (9) uniform changes across all three DEUs under your scheme. Perhaps higher than average, but the cost of your scheme is most certainly more than ‘it currently does.’…dress troops based off the unit they are posted to.
Posted to the Pet? Army DEU. Posted to HMCS Halifax? Navy Deu. Posted to Cold lake? Airforce deu.
I’ve worn both Army and Navy uniforms at this point. The special rule system we have is stupid and pointless.
I don’t see the value in the tribalism we practice.
Unification could have worked if the CAF tried to make it work instead of sabotaging it every chance we got.
The Marines and the USN are a great example of how this type of relationship could work instead of our work against each other for ‘insert X groups’ benefit.