Name This Photo!!! - The AFV Recognition Thread

[NavyShooter]

I'm out of ideas too.  My google-fu is lacking.

NS

 

[larry Strong]

Is it the Experimentalentwicklung (later named Keiler) project of the late sixties? 

 

[ironduke57]

Experimentalentwicklung (later named Keiler) project of the late sixties? -> No.

Regards,
ironduke57

 

[larry Strong]

You sleep on here or what?

 

[ironduke57]

You sleep on here or what?

Na. Not jet, ;D but a different timezone helps sometimes (6:55 pm atm here/GMT+1). Also I get directly an message popup here when a new EMail arrives.

Regards,
ironduke57

 

[CEEBEE501]

You sleep on here or what?

No he dosent sleep. He waits 

 

[ironduke57]

:rofl: :nana:

 

[Colin Parkinson]

You're an evil one Mr Grinch (aka Ironduke57)  ;D

I wouldn't touch you with a 39 and half foot pole!!!!! 

 

[ironduke57]

Me? Never!

With a pole that long you don´t have chance to touch me from Canada. The Ocean is a "bit" larger. 

Regards,
ironduke57

 

[Michael OLeary]

No he dosent sleep. He waits 

Chuck Norris?   

 

[NavyShooter]

Chuck Norris?     

KevinB....

 

[McG]

Borgward concept for the Leopard 1 competition?

 

[Cleared Hot]

PzKpfw VII (schwere) Löwe?

 

[vG]

I'm away from my books at the moment, but I don't expect it to be mention in von Etterlingen anyway and the chance of a mention in the German Panzer Museum catalogue is slim (although the do have some interesting prototypes...  ;D).

The net is sorely lacking in info, and the only thing it gives out is how the Standard Panzer came to be, and that's after the Europa Panzer which is after our mystery Panzer.

The only thing the wiki article on the Leo I gives up is a joint venture between daimler, Porsche and the Indian Tata Group about a tank made for export to India predating the Europa Panzer. No name though.

Die Wiederbewaffnung der Bundesrepublik am 5. Mai 1955 führte auch zur Erstausstattung der Bundeswehr mit amerikanischen und britischen Panzerfahrzeugen. Die deutsche Rüstungsindustrie war zu dieser Zeit nicht in der Lage, an die Panzerentwicklung anzuschließen. Jedoch versuchte Daimler-Benz mit Unterstützung ausländischer Hersteller, die Entwicklungslücke zu schließen. Gemeinsam mit der Porsche KG, ZF Friedrichshafen, Ruhrstahl AG und der indischen Tata-Gruppe sollte für Indien ein Kampfpanzer entwickelt werden. Dieses Projekt scheiterte jedoch.

[searching about the internets at my employers expense...]

VICTORY AT LAST!

It's called the Indien-Panzer!

And is indeed the joint project by Daimler-benz, Porsche and Tata!

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1863.0;imode

Not so long as I thought.  Brief details (and your drawing on a mid-grey background) in Spielberger's Waffensystem Leopard 1 and 2.  There is a small artist's impression in which the road wheels are fully visible, no return rollers.  Looks a bit like a T-54 with very long gun.
Very much a joint effort.  Porsche for overall design; Daimler-Benz MB837A 8-cyl diesel; Zahnradfabrik AG of Friedrichshafen for track etc; Ruhrstahl for turret and gun.  Production in India by TATA was intended.  Indian optics, sights.
Date 1954-55
Intended to meet an Indian need for a 36-39 ton tank, the German submission would probably have been around 40 tons.  Power to weight 16.7 hp/ton so around 670 hp; top speed 50km/h,  90mm gun.  Armour 90mm, up to 130mm turret face, cast steel.

And

http://www.network54.com/Forum/240281/message/1090833080/What+is+DB-Porsche+Indien-panzer-

...

That was exhausting!

Good challenge!



vG

 

[ironduke57]

Borgward concept for the Leopard 1 competition?-> No.
PzKpfw VII (schwere) Löwe?-> No.
Indien-Panzer? -> Yes. Good. Your turn.

Regards,
ironduke57

 

[vG]

I'll have to get home and dig through some photos, so it might be a day or so.

vG

 

[McG]

Is there any relation between the 1954 Indien-Panzer and the Heavy Tank requirement which was canceled even prior to the Leopard 1 project launching?

http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=4978&lang=3

 

[ironduke57]

Is there any relation between the 1954 Indien-Panzer and the Heavy Tank requirement which was canceled even prior to the Leopard 1 project launching?

http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?fid=4978&lang=3

AFAIK there were none.

Regards,
ironduke57

 

[vG]

Chanman might have posted this before...

My favourite Panzer Jäger!  ;D

Which country? What gun? What bike? On which fronts was it used?



vG

 

[NavyShooter]

The Nimbus was an aircooled, four cylinder motorbike of 750 ccm with 21 hp.The four cylinders were in a row parallel with the bikes length, and it had shaft drive. It was, alongside with BMW, the first motorbike with telescopic forks. The framework wasn't tube, but flat steel bars, riveted together. Topspeed was around 85 km/t with sidecar. The 20mm Madsen machinegun was a scaled up 8mm Madsen machine gun. The 8mm Madsen was developed in the 1890s, and adopted by the Danish army in 1903. It was one of the very first light machineguns, and at the same time very reliable. No one has ever used the same system as in the Madsen. The Madsen had a unique firing system and was rather expensive to make. Like the Nimbus, there were some national pride connected to it.

The gun was attached to the bike, it was in place of the sidecar. It wasn't possible to shoot while driving, so the Danes adopted a hit and run tactic. It was possible to take of the gun, and use it directly from the ground. On the 9th of April most shooting was from the motorbike while stationary beside the road.

The Danish army fought German armored cars and PzKpfw 1 from motorbikes armed with a 20 mm Madsen machinegun on the morning of the 9th of April 1940. The fighting began at 4 o'clock in the morning that day, and at around 8am it was over. The Danes lost 13 men in the fighting, the Germans lost a total of 13 armored cars and two PzKpfw 1 tanks. German Messerschmitt 110s attacked the Danish airforce, which was concentrated on a single airfield. Only one Fokker CV became airborne, and immediately shot down, the rest of the proud Danish airforce was destroyed on the ground.

The Nimbus isn't that well known outside Denmark, even though it was produced from 1932 to 1960.

Photos 1, 2, 3, and 5 show the heavy 20mm Madsen and the Nimbus Motorcycle. Picture 4 shows the Nimbus armed with the 8mm Madsen light MG.

Kim Scholer, editor of Nimbus Tidende [Nimbus Times] writes:

"The Nimbus model C was in production from 1934 to 1960, with a fair number going to the military. In the late 1930's some attempts vere made to sell military versions abroad. One with a regular sidecar and the 8 mm Madsen machine gun was demonstrated to Chiang Kai-Check of China, while the other version with the 20 mm cannon was demonstrated for the military in Brazil. Nothing came of it, though.

The Nimbus factory was also asked to come up with an offer for 70 bikes to the Turkish Army (of which nothing came), while the export order of a sale of roughly 100 Nimbus motorcycles to the Yugoslav Army did materialize. The bikes were not delivered before the German Army had conquered Yugoslavia, but upon finding the relevant documents in a bank vault in Zagreb, the German Army in Denmark requested that the machines be handed over. The ex-Yugoslav Nimbuses were presumably all used in Norway, but it is very possible other Nimbuses saw active duty in the eastern campaign, where Danish volunteers presumably were provided with vehicles - cars, trucks & motorcycles - from the Danish Army. The number of the latter remains unclear.

As the editor of Nimbus Tidende [Nimbus Times] I often get new material about the military Nimbuses. A friend of mine interviewed one of the soldiers who had seen active fighting when the Germans invaded Denmark. The old guy said that they had tried to fire the cannon while still mounted on the sidecar, and breaking all glass (front light, speedo, ammeter) in the process. The outfit's handling with the cannon was none too impressive, not suprising, considering the weight.

Another old soldier, German, handed over a wartime picture of himself and some fellow Wehrmacht soldiers astride a Nimbus outfit. He claimed to have seen, from the saddle of this Nimbus, the onion-shaped tops of the churches in The Kremlin.

Finally the Nimbus has been used as Red Cross escort when bringing home KZ-camp survivors, and the military police under UN command used them in Cyprus."