Name tags for TPS

[AmmoTech90]

Slow news day item...

I would oppose this on the cost to the tax payers alone, never mind officer safety...

http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/07/11/1678816-sun.html

The force's tags have been estimated to cost $142,000.

In 2005 TPS had 5227 as its uniformed strength.  This works out to $27.00 per member for name tags.  Checking Canadian suppliers name tags can be had for $1.00-1.50 when ordering in lots of 500+ it seems a bit excessive.  Of course if they work under a system like PWGSC then it is completely understandable and possibly underfunded. 

How do cops maintain their uniforms anyway?  I can see a replacement being issued if it is damaged during work, but how about normal wear and tear?

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[Bruce Monkhouse]

This is flippin' stupid.............name tags??? Why not also put your SIN number, home address and how many kids you have.

I feel for the men and women in blue in Toronto who have to work for the clowns that make up their Police service's board.

 

[marshall sl]

Corrections Canada makes all employees wear picture ID with full name on our uniform.The RCMP wear a tag with 1st initial and surname

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

We used to here in Ontario but went to a number system for our protection.

 

[Slim]

DRPS now has name tags along with badge numbers and we are NOT allowed to black them out with marker as some have been doing. I can't say that I'm keen on that either.

Oh well...

 

[MPIKE]

DRPS now has name tags along with badge numbers and we are NOT allowed to black them out with marker as some have been doing. I can't say that I'm keen on that either.

Oh well...

Can't say at first I was keen with the idea of having the name tag either when I came from a service that only has Badge numbers.  But I have gotten use to it and figure there are greater things to be more concerned about.  If someone is looking for you it is much easier than remembering your name tag.  If you think of your situation there are a ton of ways you can be found.  Easiest one, is after dealing with a "client" you've left your name on the top of the ticket etc..  I think there is a greater problem with station security and POMVs but some stations in TPS are addressing this one... Sort out the other security issues first and then we would have a greater argument for no nametags.  Until that happens there are too many other ways to be comprimised.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Last year we got complaints from the Windsor Black Coalition that their "people" had to hard of a time remembering four and five digit badge numbers, which we used to wear on each shoulder in the form of epaulets.  Thus, at an expense of around $40,000 we were all issued three digit "patrol" numbers, which are sewn on our uniforms and jackets.  No, I am not making this shite up.  Now, I would have been insulted at the suggestion if I belonged to that community, yet the Chief ram rodded it through.
Still, it is better than having name tags.  No asshat deserves to have your name on the street.  They get a number (and now, a conveniently short three digit number in our case) and that is it.  My last name is only four letters long, so it is very easy to remember.  Kind of a drag when there is a mob scene and people want to complain about anyone they can.  Short, easy names stick in peoples heads.

 

[bitterntwisted]

the whole thing is retarded.  if they get ur number, they can get ur name to report you to the internal standards guys.      the cars have numbers on em.  the tickets have your name and number on em.  waste of time and money.............

 

[The_Falcon]

the whole thing is retarded.   if they get ur number, they can get ur name to report you to the internal standards guys.       the cars have numbers on em.  the tickets have your name and number on em.   waste of time and money.............

For someone who says they are a CIC officer and a former RCMP member, your spelling and grammar is piss poor.  I suggest (before the mods give you grief) that you make an effort to improve both, otherwise no one is going to take what you say seriously, particularly when you had so much to add to the conversation  :.

Can't say at first I was keen with the idea of having the name tag either when I came from a service that only has Badge numbers.  But I have gotten use to it and figure there are greater things to be more concerned about.  If someone is looking for you it is much easier than remembering your name tag.  If you think of your situation there are a ton of ways you can be found.  Easiest one, is after dealing with a "client" you've left your name on the top of the ticket etc..  I think there is a greater problem with station security and POMVs but some stations in TPS are addressing this one... Sort out the other security issues first and then we would have a greater argument for no nametags.   Until that happens there are too many other ways to be comprimised.

TPS' efforts to improve security (erecting fences around station parking lots) is actually drawing criticism from the usual suspects notably the Toronto Police Accountability Coalition (www.tpac.ca), which is lead by John Sewell (Former Mayor of Toronto) who incidentally is running for city council.  I really really hope he does not get elected, the last thing we need on council is another person with these far left anti-police views.

 

[bitterntwisted]

Hatchet Man.  Seeing as you are interested in sharing advice, I will attempt to share with you one of my favorite quotes for little people who get bent about the small things in life. 

"Relax Francis"

 

[zipperhead_cop]

The quote was "lighten up, Francis".  :

Some people are not as comfortable giving out their personal information as others.  My crappy left handed writing precludes my name from being legible at the top of the ticket.  However, the badge number at the bottom is always easy to read. 
This isn't a case of trying to escape detection from accountability for actions on the street.  With computer assisted dispatching and GPS, it is impossible to do much without it being tracked.  Yes, if someone really puts their mind to it, they can find out your name.  However, you generally have to identify yourself, so that starts a trail. 
There are a great many people who don't appreciate what police do.  Last year, one of our members homes was firebombed by the HA's after he arrested one of their up-and-comers.  Members from the OPP and Customs intelligence also have had their cars firebombed in their driveways after significant drug seizures and/or arrests.  Recently, and RCMP officer found out that one of the eastern organized crime groups was trying to put together a contract on his life.  Another incident that comes to mind is a few years ago the son of a BC MP got arrested being a drunken dink in the downtown core.  His group of buddies decided that a GTA-style "cops are racist" BS-fest was in order, and were trying to get the crowd going (typically, that garbage doesn't get anyone too ramped up here).  One guy was trying to get badge numbers, and one of our guys gave him it.  Well, didn't he suddenly become the central figure in the drama, despite his being something like the eighth guy to arrive and was only holding a perimeter.  The written complaints he received were unreal, and the local rag was absolutely thrilled to print everything these clowns were spouting.  The paper would have published that officers name in a heartbeat if they had it, and as it was the splash headline was all about racism and cops.  That guy would have gotten totally screwed over in the media, and he was not involved with the arrest in any way.  And of course the retraction comes out on page 9 of section C if it ever does.  This is the crap we have to deal with. 
For my part, I go with the "be prepared, not paranoid" as well as "Complacency kills".  Both of our personal m/v's addresses are registered to police headquarters, as well as our drivers licences.  Heat checks on the way home can't hurt either. 
So Bitter, what service are you with?  I've never heard of it referred to as "internal standards" and surely you know that the numbers on the cruisers are less than useless in identifying a person?
**sniff, sniff**  ???

 

[Shamrock]

Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you.

 

[GO!!!]

**sniff, sniff**  ???

Ohhhhh, I smell it too!!

<begins warming up GO SHOW!!! Suburbans>

 

[Slim]

Please remember that providing members with false information about who you are and what you do will get you banned in a heartbeat...Doubly fast if you claim to be a cop and are not!

Children who play at being police/soldiers are not welcome here.

Best to come clean quick. :tsktsk:

Slim
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[GAP]

hehehe

 

[Fishbone Jones]

the whole thing is retarded.   if they get ur number, they can get ur name to report you to the internal standards guys.       the cars have numbers on em.  the tickets have your name and number on em.   waste of time and money.............

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[The_Falcon]

Hatchet Man.  Seeing as you are interested in sharing advice, I will attempt to share with you one of my favorite quotes for little people who get bent about the small things in life. 

"Relax Francis"

I was trying to save you the trouble of attracting attention from the moderators. Too late.

Back on topic.

 

[portcullisguy]

Corrections Canada makes all employees wear picture ID with full name on our uniform.The RCMP wear a tag with 1st initial and surname

Two more reasons why the federal law enforcement agencies are no role model to anyone.

Funny enough, although my agency (CBSA) has lots of "issues" with it, they have long chosen not to have their officers wear name tags.  We wear a badge with a badge number which is difficult to read beyond 10 cm.

A lot of people though my name was "April" ... the renewal month on my airport restricted area pass was "April 2003" until I renewed it (now my name is "October 2007"  ).  That and my picture are all that is on the front of the pass.  The name is on the back, which is not visible to the public.

 

[Red 6]

Is that seat next to you taken, GAP?

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[GAP]

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