CIC Officers are members of the CF, even if you don‘t beleive the training reflects that (and I‘d be inclined to agree in some cases).
That being said, some of the top cadet units the country are made of CIC Officers with no other military training -- they‘re just good at what they do.
The standard that a region is at, as well as how closely rules are followed at cadet units, heck, even the training at a National level are all reg force postings.
The ACO is a Reg Force Capt, RCO is a LCol, and the ACA‘s range in rank, usually a Sgt or WO though. At the national level, the respective DCdt(3 I think...) are LCol. If there is a problem with CIC training, then why aren‘t these reg force people doing anything about it? They‘re in a position to make changes. The fact is, many people who end up getting posted to these positions have a hard time understanding the program, and have to adjust to the program, and learn all about it. It isn‘t overly complicated, but you can‘t learn the whole program in a day. And if you think you can, well, I encourage you to apply for a posting at one of the RCSU‘s. Go nuts, and tell the staff what‘s what.
The top Sea Unit in BC (who usually wins drill, very close in band, dominates sports weekends, and is the largest in the province) is run by a woman from Saskatchewan with no military backgrounf except for the CIC....her staff, if I remember correctly:
XO -- Was the first Coxswain of the corps, 25 years ago...fully CIC Trained
TrgO -- Was the Quadra Chief, fully CIC Trained
SupO -- Ex-Coxswain of the corps, fully CIC Trained
BandO -- Ex-Coxswain, fully CIC Trained
StandardsO -- I think was a CPO2...fully CIC trained
The have 1 reg force LS Engineer who runs a diving program for them, and a reg force Lt(N) who set up a database for them. They aren‘t intimedtly involved with the training at all.
I seem to hear more about this ‘lack of discipline‘ on the Army side, and everyones solution to to bring in the reg force or ‘military‘ officers. If Sea Units and Air Units can do it without ‘proper‘ military officers, why does the army have such a hard time?
My reasoning is that the army is so hard to standardize, because of affiliated unit traditions, or militia/reg force people trying to turn Sgt‘s and WO‘s into reg force Sgt/WO‘s, which many of them don‘t have the maturity for, or if they do, they don‘t have the experience. Cadets don‘t learn to respect Orders, because their officers and volunteers don‘t respect the CATO. I know we have a volunteer at my unit who is Reg Force, and his line was, "Oh, the CATO are just guidelines, we don‘t have to follow them" yeah...swell example. The Orders, issued by DCdt‘s, aren‘t REALLY orders, just pretend orders...and this is the example I‘m supposed to follow? No thanks.
Reg Force members can volunteer with a corps, and most corps officers are willing to accept a volunteer, especially if they have some valuable experience that will benefit the youth.
As to the comment that the senior cadets/officers aren‘t doing anything about that cadet moving, sometimes it‘ll depend on the situation at hand. Does the cadet have a problem? Is the officer evaluating the senior cadets to see if they do anything about it? Remember, a Cadet WO does not have the same experience as a Reg Force WO, so you‘re comparing apples and oranges.
I‘ll re=phrase the "Youth Organization" remark, perhaps to say that the definition of it has changed, and what cadets do has changed; I don‘t really see how it‘s for the worse. Like any program, it has it‘s faults.
obviouly with no rounds in the magizine. They also had a C3 set up and were letting people look through and aim the sights. I‘m sure I saw a Scout group.....
