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LA should have APC's, so should any major municipality. No argument there.
Sheep Dog AT said:LA should have APC's, so should any major municipality. No argument there.
WR said:http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-pursuit-suspect-identified-20140819-story.html
An excerpt from the article;
The department's SWAT team used one of its two BearCat armored vehicles, a $150,000 rescue vehicle bought in 2003, to shield them as they approached Jones.
Smith said Jones peppered the BearCat with bullets, striking the SWAT officer, before he was killed by return fire, Smith said.
"Thank goodness we had that armored vehicle as a shield because a regular police cruiser would have been Swiss cheese," Smith said.quote]
I am a LEO, so I have intimidate knowledge of what the capabilities of the bad guys are.
I'm sorry RoyalDrew if you think gun violence in the US is sensationalist, but I live across from Detroit, I have work commitments there where I'm there weekly. In the last 6 months for work I've been in Atlanta, NYC, DC, Miami, Buffalo, Columbus, Cincinnati etc. Its not the big bad police making stories up, these are dangerous cities where the bad guys possess automatic weapons, armour piercing RDS, grenades etc.
Let’s demilitarize the regulatory agencies too
by WALTER OLSON on AUGUST 18, 2014
One consequence of the events in Ferguson, Mo. is that people are talking with each other across ideological lines who usually don’t, a symbol being the attention paid on both left and right to Sen. Rand Paul’s op-ed last week in Time. And one point worth discussing is how the problem of police militarization manifests itself similarly these days in local policing and in the enforcement of federal regulation.
At BuzzFeed, Evan McMorris-Santoro generously quotes me on the prospects for finding common ground on these issues. The feds’ Gibson Guitar raid — our coverage of that here — did much to raise the profile of regulatory SWAT tactics, and John Fund cited others in an April report:
Many of the raids [federal paramilitary enforcers] conduct are against harmless, often innocent, Americans who typically are accused of non-violent civil or administrative violations.
Take the case of Kenneth Wright of Stockton, Calif., who was “visited” by a SWAT team from the U.S. Department of Education in June 2011. Agents battered down the door of his home at 6 a.m., dragged him outside in his boxer shorts, and handcuffed him as they put his three children (ages 3, 7, and 11) in a police car for two hours while they searched his home. The raid was allegedly intended to uncover information on Wright’s estranged wife, Michelle, who hadn’t been living with him and was suspected of college financial-aid fraud.
The year before the raid on Wright, a SWAT team from the Food and Drug Administration raided the farm of Dan Allgyer of Lancaster, Pa. His crime was shipping unpasteurized milk across state lines to a cooperative of young women with children in Washington, D.C., called Grass Fed on the Hill. Raw milk can be sold in Pennsylvania, but it is illegal to transport it across state lines. The raid forced Allgyer to close down his business.
Fund goes on to discuss the rise of homeland-security and military-surplus programs that have contributed to the rapid proliferation of SWAT and paramilitary methods in local policing. He cites Radley Balko’s Rise of the Warrior Cop, which similarly treats both manifestations of paramilitary policing as part of the same trend.
As McMorris-Santoro notes in the BuzzFeed piece, Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah) has introduced a bill called the Regulatory Agency Demilitarization Act, citing such unsettling developments as a U.S. Department of Agriculture solicitation for submachine guns. 28 House Republicans have joined as sponsors, according to Ryan Lovelace at National Review.
There has already been left-right cooperation on the issue, as witness the unsuccessful Grayson-Amash amendment in June seeking to cut off the military-surplus 1033 program. As both sides come to appreciate some of the common interests at stake in keeping law enforcement as peaceful and proportionate as situations allow, there will be room for more such cooperation. (& welcome Instapundit readers; cross-posted at Cato at Liberty)
Thucydides said:It's not just the police who are being militarized, many US federal bureaucracies are also becoming militarized, as the article below highlights. At least some members of the Congress have woken up to the problem, and are starting to work towards some demilitarization:
http://overlawyered.com/2014/08/demilitarize-regulatory-agencies/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=demilitarize-regulatory-agencies
Looking at the narratives, most of these situations could have been handled by a friendly visit from the Sherriff's department, or in the case of the fraud investigation, a detective or investigator. The entire purpose of SWAT, ERT or whatever name they are given is to deal with unusual emergency situations, not day to day poise activities. And the purpose of bureaucracies is to deal with paperwork and regulations, not attack taxpayers with submachine guns and armoured vehicles.
Sheep Dog AT said:LA should have APC's, so should any major municipality. No argument there.
Sheep Dog AT said:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/feds-raid-nc-home-to-seize-land-rover-in-epa-emiss/
http://www.wbtv.com/story/26075071/woman-has-questions-after-agents-seize-land-rovers
RoyalDrew said:It's these sort of incidents that are causing people to lose faith in law enforcement. Again, I don't blame LEO's themselves, rather I blame the bureaucracy and the politicization of law-enforcement. The government needs to reign this problem in. You lose credibility with the population you are supposed to serve, you won't have a foot to stand on.
RoyalDrew said:It's these sort of incidents that are causing people to lose faith in law enforcement. Again, I don't blame LEO's themselves, rather I blame the bureaucracy and the politicization of law-enforcement. The government needs to reign this problem in. You lose credibility with the population you are supposed to serve, you won't have a foot to stand on.
Bruce Monkhouse said:Umm,....WTF was that?? Do you know this woman?? is she reputable?? Is she a drug importer??
Oh,...you can't answer even ONE of those questions. Well I guess you did read it on the internet so it must be true.............
Jim Seggie said:To a small extent the police are militarized already. The RCMP has its own Depot, and most major police forces have their own academy.
As for being armed with armoured vehicles and automatic weapons, it makes sense but are only required in the most dire of situations.
Bruce Monkhouse said:Wait,...the vehicle is illegal to import but she did anyways?? ....and enforcing that law is somehow wrong to you??
Sheep Dog AT said:You don't call out SWAT type pers to take a vehicle unless you need to. They would have done their research. Wake the frig up Bruce.