Medical Rejection: How to Appeal? [Merged]
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Good day everyone, I have just completed my application and submitted it to the online recruitment center. Although I still have a variety of questions that I hope can be answered by current service men/women.
1- How long does it usually take, on average, for the CAF to process an application?
2- How long does it usually take, on average, for the CAF to accept or decline an application?
3- What are the odds of the application being accepted or denied, and what are the main sticking points for why your application may be accepted or reject?
4- If accepted, how extensive is the medical exam? Does it cover both physical and mental health? is there a 50/50 focus on physical and mental health or does one usually take precedent?
5- How is the aptitude test? what does it test you for? How would you describe the difficulty of it? How long does it usually take?
6- How does the paid education work? From what I understand you are accepted, given basic training and then you go to school for your desired career and then are surged into the career choice within the Armed Forces with a required 2 months service for every month of education paid for
7- After training in Quebec, are you sent back home (in my case in Aurora) and then visit a base nearby when required or do you have to live on a base? Will the CAF require relocation after basic training in Quebec to somewhere you never imagined? Example, NWT: I ask because I have a wife and child and we cannot relocate further than 50km from our current location for a few years
8- What are the odds of being deployed? I would hope the odds are high, because I want to get out into the world and actually help people on the ground, not just pontificate about it in a Military base.
9- If one wanted to transfer from their selected military career / position into one such as Military Intelligence, how would you go about that?
10- If one wanted to consider a SOF role in the future, how would you pursue that if you have had education paid for and are brought into CAF as a professional as a result of that education? Basically asking, if your education for med school is paid for, does the army require you to strictly adhere to that role in the CAF, or would they be happy to allow you to pursue a SOF path if you change your mind about being a doctor or whatever the case may be, until you re-enter civilian life?
11- Is there any other information, hints, tips, guidance you could provide to someone who has just submitted an application to join the CAF? This may include advice about the aptitude testing preparation, physical fitness preparation, what to do if your application is reject but still greatly desire military service, whether in Canada or abroad, and anything else you may think of.
Thank you very much for you time ladies and gentlemen,
-Michael Veloso
1- How long does it usually take, on average, for the CAF to process an application?
2- How long does it usually take, on average, for the CAF to accept or decline an application?
3- What are the odds of the application being accepted or denied, and what are the main sticking points for why your application may be accepted or reject?
4- If accepted, how extensive is the medical exam? Does it cover both physical and mental health? is there a 50/50 focus on physical and mental health or does one usually take precedent?
5- How is the aptitude test? what does it test you for? How would you describe the difficulty of it? How long does it usually take?
6- How does the paid education work? From what I understand you are accepted, given basic training and then you go to school for your desired career and then are surged into the career choice within the Armed Forces with a required 2 months service for every month of education paid for
7- After training in Quebec, are you sent back home (in my case in Aurora) and then visit a base nearby when required or do you have to live on a base? Will the CAF require relocation after basic training in Quebec to somewhere you never imagined? Example, NWT: I ask because I have a wife and child and we cannot relocate further than 50km from our current location for a few years
8- What are the odds of being deployed? I would hope the odds are high, because I want to get out into the world and actually help people on the ground, not just pontificate about it in a Military base.
9- If one wanted to transfer from their selected military career / position into one such as Military Intelligence, how would you go about that?
10- If one wanted to consider a SOF role in the future, how would you pursue that if you have had education paid for and are brought into CAF as a professional as a result of that education? Basically asking, if your education for med school is paid for, does the army require you to strictly adhere to that role in the CAF, or would they be happy to allow you to pursue a SOF path if you change your mind about being a doctor or whatever the case may be, until you re-enter civilian life?
11- Is there any other information, hints, tips, guidance you could provide to someone who has just submitted an application to join the CAF? This may include advice about the aptitude testing preparation, physical fitness preparation, what to do if your application is reject but still greatly desire military service, whether in Canada or abroad, and anything else you may think of.
Thank you very much for you time ladies and gentlemen,
-Michael Veloso
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Hey Guys!
I have researched medicals backwards, forwards and sideways but I'm coming up short on answers.
I'm in the middle of my application process and I knew going in that my eyesight may be an issue (strong prescription, since infancy) and the Med. Officer confirmed that I was just outside the scope of being "medically fit" as my eyesight scored a 5 and I needed to be a 4 or better. He did say that I should continue to get the rest of my forms completed and sent in because even though I will be rejected as "medically unfit," I can apply for an appeal if I want to pursue laser surgery to correct my vision. This has always been my plan eventually once we had the funds saved up.
My question is, how does that appeal process work? Do you have to request the paperwork or does the recruiting centre automatically give you the appeal paperwork with your rejection notice? Has anyone been rejected due to vision, had the surgery and successfully won their appeal? Or am I better off to just pull my application now?
I have searched the following topics on this forum: appeals, medical appeal, medical review, medical testing, recruitment process, appeals process, medically unfit, rejected application etc. Google hasn't been much of a help either as it directs me to here, and posts that don't specifically cover what I'm looking for.
Thanks in advance.
I have researched medicals backwards, forwards and sideways but I'm coming up short on answers.
I'm in the middle of my application process and I knew going in that my eyesight may be an issue (strong prescription, since infancy) and the Med. Officer confirmed that I was just outside the scope of being "medically fit" as my eyesight scored a 5 and I needed to be a 4 or better. He did say that I should continue to get the rest of my forms completed and sent in because even though I will be rejected as "medically unfit," I can apply for an appeal if I want to pursue laser surgery to correct my vision. This has always been my plan eventually once we had the funds saved up.
My question is, how does that appeal process work? Do you have to request the paperwork or does the recruiting centre automatically give you the appeal paperwork with your rejection notice? Has anyone been rejected due to vision, had the surgery and successfully won their appeal? Or am I better off to just pull my application now?
I have searched the following topics on this forum: appeals, medical appeal, medical review, medical testing, recruitment process, appeals process, medically unfit, rejected application etc. Google hasn't been much of a help either as it directs me to here, and posts that don't specifically cover what I'm looking for.
Thanks in advance.
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fultsy said:
Medical Review Board/File Review ( merged )
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/13453/post-1378166.html#msg1378166
7 pages.
Failed to meet Medical Standards
OP: I'm planning on appealing their decision
https://army.ca/forums/threads/110159.50.html
3 pages.
Challenging a medical decision/Requesting second review
http://army.ca/forums/threads/37404.25
2 pages.
Challenging a medical decision/Requesting second review ( Locked )
http://army.ca/forums/threads/37404.25.html
2 pages.
Medical appeal ( Locked )
http://army.ca/forums/threads/68680.0
"Does not Meet Common Enrolment Medical Standards"
OP: Two weeks ago I received my notice that my appeal was successfully over turned.
http://army.ca/forums/threads/113415.0
2 pages.
Medical rejection seems strange
https://army.ca/forums/threads/121893.0
appealing medical rejection for renal colic
http://army.ca/forums/threads/119953.0
Medical appeal
http://army.ca/forums/threads/68680.0
Asked and answered in Ask a CAF Recruiter,
re: appeals
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/123090/post-1440632.html#msg1440632
Q: I have finally sent in an appeal because it takes to long to get in to see a psychiatrist.
A: To appeal any type of Medical disqualification, will require reports from your civilian health care professionals.
appealing medical rejection
http://army.ca/forums/threads/119953.0
Bad luck with the RMO
https://army.ca/forums/threads/37404.25
Appeals
http://army.ca/forums/threads/83309.0
Ottawa Medical
OP: is there any way I can appeal this decision?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/35629.0
Medically Unfit - Vision
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/125409/post-1480885.html#msg1480885
etc...
As always, Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.
I was also just outside the cutoff for V4. I decided to get my surgery done at the beginning of the process, 3 weeks after my CFAT. I took advantage of a promotion (pay in one year with 0% interest) which allowed me to undergo the surgery very early and will allow me to save over the next few months with no penalty. Maybe the timeline is not a concern for you, but if so, some of the major companies (Lasik MD in my case) have those promotions quite regularly.
Is anyone else a DEO applicant for one or more of the Aircrew Trades (Pilot, AEC, ACSO) and had their Aircrew Medical file approved in recent months (i.e. Jan 2017 or later)? If so, how long ago was the date on which you returned the completed forms for Aircrew Trades?
These are the dates of my application steps and I'm wondering if others are experiencing / have recently experienced similar Medical Review wait times:
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: DEO
Trade Choice 1: ACSO
Trade Choice 2: LogO
Trade Choice 3: AEC
Applied: 24 Aug 2016
CFAT: 15 Sep 2016
ASC: 22 Nov 2016
Interview: 16 Jan 2017
Medical appointment (in-person): 16 Jan 2017
Aircrew medical screening test results faxed to CFRC Medical Section: 09 Feb 2017
Background: Feb 2017
Thanks!
These are the dates of my application steps and I'm wondering if others are experiencing / have recently experienced similar Medical Review wait times:
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: DEO
Trade Choice 1: ACSO
Trade Choice 2: LogO
Trade Choice 3: AEC
Applied: 24 Aug 2016
CFAT: 15 Sep 2016
ASC: 22 Nov 2016
Interview: 16 Jan 2017
Medical appointment (in-person): 16 Jan 2017
Aircrew medical screening test results faxed to CFRC Medical Section: 09 Feb 2017
Background: Feb 2017
Thanks!
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Hi. I am not sure if this is the right forum for this question, but here goes anyway. I applied to the Canadian naval reserves, and passed the physical test with good results. The cognitive tests that I took indicated that I would be able to perform any of the positions within the military. After my interview, the interview conducter said that he thought that I would get in for sure (maybe this was a platitude).
However, I received a rejection letter a while ago (about 9 months ago). The rejection letter cited mental health concerns. The concerns were as follows: ADHD, Depression, and something called "Non-Verbal Learning Disorder"(NVLD). This probably sounds pretty bad, but please allow me to explain. The depression diagnoses was not indicative of chronic depression, but was rather an acknowledgment of a past fit of depression that had spanned the length of my visits with a doctor that lasted around a year. I feel that judging my character on this isolated incident would be an unfair and inaccurate mistake. I was not suicidal. I was not bedridden. I don't think my reasons for being sad were atypical. I was lonely, scared, and in a very pathetic state in my life. I think that a section of the teenage population would have been able to relate to these feelings, but the difference is that my parents had the money to employ an psychologist, and were concerned with my dropping grades. I don't say this to brag, but just to show that if I hadn't had access to a psychologist, the temporary sadness would have passed anyway.
During the period of my visits with the psychologist,I did take a SSRI for 3 months before stopping with little observed results(other than a temporary deadening of my emotions). My change in mood was I feel more of a result of lessons learned and a swift kick in the ass from my mother.
As for the ADHD, I quit the Concerta that I had been taking since I was six years old, about 10 months ago, and I feel that I am doing fine. Actually better than I have for a while. I am currently awaiting a sequence of appointments with a doctor at an ADHD clinic, and my hopes are that I will be able to have the ADHD diagnoses removed entirely, as the adult form of ADHD is rare, and I feel that the ADHD diagnostic criteria no longer accurately describe my behavior.
I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about the NVLD diagnoses. I will probably look into having this disorder removed if possible, but if not, all I can say is that I don't feel that the criteria of that disorder describe my behavior accurately. I wouldn't put much credence in my particular psychologists words anyway. I know that my opinion is probably meaningless to the Canadian military in opposition to an authority figure though.
I acknowledge that an attempt to challenge the militaries decision may be futile, but would like to do so anyway. The position I applied for at the time was in the Canadian Naval reserves, and I no longer wish to serve in this position, but am now interested in the Canadian army. I would like to serve in an infantry capacity in the future(when opportunity's are available). I was in possession of a rejection letter at one point, but my Mom misplaced it, and I have searched everywhere for it, but it hasn't turned up. It would be helpful to have that letter so that I could address the problem with more information. So my questions are, how could I obtain a new copy of the letter? How can I challenge the medical decision? What are the odds that I will be able to change their minds? If I originally applied to the Naval reserves and was rejected, could I simply begin a new application to the army with updated background information? I would love to serve in the military and would do my best if given the chance. Thanks in advance for your advice.
However, I received a rejection letter a while ago (about 9 months ago). The rejection letter cited mental health concerns. The concerns were as follows: ADHD, Depression, and something called "Non-Verbal Learning Disorder"(NVLD). This probably sounds pretty bad, but please allow me to explain. The depression diagnoses was not indicative of chronic depression, but was rather an acknowledgment of a past fit of depression that had spanned the length of my visits with a doctor that lasted around a year. I feel that judging my character on this isolated incident would be an unfair and inaccurate mistake. I was not suicidal. I was not bedridden. I don't think my reasons for being sad were atypical. I was lonely, scared, and in a very pathetic state in my life. I think that a section of the teenage population would have been able to relate to these feelings, but the difference is that my parents had the money to employ an psychologist, and were concerned with my dropping grades. I don't say this to brag, but just to show that if I hadn't had access to a psychologist, the temporary sadness would have passed anyway.
During the period of my visits with the psychologist,I did take a SSRI for 3 months before stopping with little observed results(other than a temporary deadening of my emotions). My change in mood was I feel more of a result of lessons learned and a swift kick in the ass from my mother.
As for the ADHD, I quit the Concerta that I had been taking since I was six years old, about 10 months ago, and I feel that I am doing fine. Actually better than I have for a while. I am currently awaiting a sequence of appointments with a doctor at an ADHD clinic, and my hopes are that I will be able to have the ADHD diagnoses removed entirely, as the adult form of ADHD is rare, and I feel that the ADHD diagnostic criteria no longer accurately describe my behavior.
I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about the NVLD diagnoses. I will probably look into having this disorder removed if possible, but if not, all I can say is that I don't feel that the criteria of that disorder describe my behavior accurately. I wouldn't put much credence in my particular psychologists words anyway. I know that my opinion is probably meaningless to the Canadian military in opposition to an authority figure though.
I acknowledge that an attempt to challenge the militaries decision may be futile, but would like to do so anyway. The position I applied for at the time was in the Canadian Naval reserves, and I no longer wish to serve in this position, but am now interested in the Canadian army. I would like to serve in an infantry capacity in the future(when opportunity's are available). I was in possession of a rejection letter at one point, but my Mom misplaced it, and I have searched everywhere for it, but it hasn't turned up. It would be helpful to have that letter so that I could address the problem with more information. So my questions are, how could I obtain a new copy of the letter? How can I challenge the medical decision? What are the odds that I will be able to change their minds? If I originally applied to the Naval reserves and was rejected, could I simply begin a new application to the army with updated background information? I would love to serve in the military and would do my best if given the chance. Thanks in advance for your advice.
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assplosion said:
ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......
https://army.ca/forums/threads/22352.25
9 pages.
The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
https://army.ca/forums/threads/13192.0
16 pages.
Learning disabilities are also discussed here,
"This is a difficult question because learning disabilities can encompass so much. Truth is, no one can easily answer your question, especially not without more ..."
https://army.ca/forums/threads/125902.25
6 pages.
assplosion said:
Challenging a medical decision/Requesting second review
https://army.ca/forums/threads/37404.25.html
Medical Review Board/File Review ( merged )
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/13453/post-1378166.html#msg1378166
7 pages.
Medical rejection seems strange
https://army.ca/forums/threads/121893.0
appealing medical rejection
http://army.ca/forums/threads/119953.0
Medical appeal
http://army.ca/forums/threads/68680.0
Asked and answered in Ask a CAF Recruiter,
re: appeals
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/123090/post-1440632.html#msg1440632
Q: I have finally sent in an appeal because it takes to long to get in to see a psychiatrist.
A: To appeal any type of Medical disqualification, will require reports from your civilian health care professionals.
Appeals
http://army.ca/forums/threads/83309.0
Failed to meet Medical Standards
OP: I'm planning on appealing their decision
https://army.ca/forums/threads/110159.50.html
3 pages.
Ottawa Medical
OP: is there any way I can appeal this decision?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/35629.0
"Does not Meet Common Enrolment Medical Standards"
OP: Two weeks ago I received my notice that my appeal was successfully over turned.
http://army.ca/forums/threads/113415.0
2 pages.
etc...
As always, Recruiting is your most trusted source of up to date information.
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Does anybody know what the current medical wait times are, on average, as of August 2017?
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TheFourSeasons said:
Mine was also 2 months. Just got word last week my file passed dmed pol.
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TheFourSeasons said:
Considering the disclosures you made in previous posts, don't expect that your medical will be a typical review time. Each individual is different, so times for others will not necessarily correlate to what you or anyone else should expect.
Anybody have any idea how long it takes for a medical that need to reviewed to be sent to Ottawa take? Cause i had to get further medical forums filled out and some stupid medical resident filled it out wrong and I got a second opinion, which they said was fine. Plus I have some other old medical problems, saying all that I have worked labour jobs my whole life and workout 5 days a week and have never had problems. I'm just worried they will look at the medical problems and be like hes unfit even though I'm in no way not. Furthermore I'm sorta in a really inconvenient timeline in this part of my life. I wanna go into the military but if i dint get accepted i want to go to school but the local medical person in the recruiting centre it might take up to a month. This means that I would be in school and it would be hard to get out of school but if i ditch school and get denied then I gotta do something for a year. So i don't have any idea what to do.
Sorry if i ranted I'm just sorta worried/pissed/da fuq do i
Sorry if i ranted I'm just sorta worried/pissed/da fuq do i
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44nic4444 said:
More like 2 months seems to be the average waiting time. Its almost been 2 and a half for my medical file.
I apply for Canadian Forces 2015 took the CFAT 2016 then physical and medical November same year. Medical Officer request for additional medical forms that need to fill-up by my Family doctor. I disclose chronic pain due to 2009 car accident and very honest with it. My Family doctor mention that I'm pain free for more than 5 yrs and they decline my application because of this and I request for second opinion and request for reassessment. I went to see a pain doctor rheumatologist and reassessed me and they submit findings that no trace of pain or fibromyalgia, they did recommendation that I'm physical fit to apply in the army. Submit it to the Medical Officer recruitment center and got a letter after 3 mos that they still reject my application. I still don't understand why they keep rejecting my application even I don't have this pain anymore.
What should I do? I don't want to give up and quit.
What should I do? I don't want to give up and quit.
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The CF is not allowed to deny anyone from applying.
But, there are standards that must be met. There are 40,000 applications a year, for 8,000 positions. This does not include the PRes.
The bright news, there are other ways to serve Canadians.
But, there are standards that must be met. There are 40,000 applications a year, for 8,000 positions. This does not include the PRes.
The bright news, there are other ways to serve Canadians.
