Liberals announce $1.24B sole-sourced deal to upgrade search and rescue helicopter fleet

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ch-149-cormorant-helicopters-search-rescue-1.6090353

While not saying how much the plan would cost, sky high by DND standards must be really high.

 

[dapaterson]

Electronic charts are not to be used for navigation

Tech pubs enter the discussion.

 

[kev994]

Electronic charts are not to be used for navigation

CC130J is full paperless. And has dual USB ports at each station to support it.

 

[SupersonicMax]

Geolocation can, however, be used for situational awareness. It is a wonderful tool on approach charts. Plus, we don’t carry paper pubs anymore…

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Geolocation can, however, be used for situational awareness. It is a wonderful tool on approach charts. Plus, we don’t carry paper pubs anymore…

There is a fair bit of sarcasm flying here at how hard it is to get EFBs into some cockpits…

 

[Zoomie]

Heck I don’t even fly a plane anymore - I still have an EFB. Pretty sure every fleet has some iteration of use in service.

 

[Good2Golf]

Electronic charts are not to be used for navigation

As we learned in our Green Procurement course…oh, wait…

 

[Good2Golf]

Tech pubs enter the discussion.

147F, like 130J is fully electronic tech library as well, and also includes VR tech training.

 

[kev994]

147F, like 130J is fully electronic tech library as well, and also includes VR tech training.

We use it for everything… ForeFlight for charts, the checklist is in there on a secure content locker. There is are two one-page checklists that we use for normal operations on-board but they are for convenience only, the official pub is the one one the iPads. We have to carry a spare iPad for any mission requiring an overnight stop.

 

[dimsum]

Is this when some folks say "back in my day, we used paper charts"?

Edit to add: RIP free present wrapping paper every 56 days

 

[Good2Golf]

We use it for everything… ForeFlight for charts, the checklist is in there on a secure content locker. There is are two one-page checklists that we use for normal operations on-board but they are for convenience only, the official pub is the one one the iPads. We have to carry a spare iPad for any mission requiring an overnight stop.

Not surprising, the 147 lets you pull up the checklist on the centre MFD or the outboard (non -PFD) MFDs. Between notify-on-exception logic for the EICAS and things like (optional for use) e-checklists on the MFDs, it’s good to see automation being used/embraced rather than shunned.

 

[dimsum]

Not surprising, the 147 lets you pull up the checklist on the centre MFD or the outboard (non -PFD) MFDs. Between notify-on-exception logic for the EICAS and things like (optional for use) e-checklists on the MFDs, it’s good to see automation being used/embraced rather than shunned.

I totally agree.

I was just taking a jab at the previous rules that, in effect, made it less safe because we were using "paper map/finger" while low-level and close to Cumulus Granitus, rather than using the electronic charts.

 

[kev994]

I totally agree.

I was just taking a jab at the previous rules that, in effect, made it less safe because we were using "paper map/finger" while low-level and close to Cumulus Granitus, rather than using the electronic charts.

Some communities still think that the paper version is the only official version, they clearly haven’t kept up with the FOM changes.

 

[dapaterson]

Did AETE ever sign off on the iPad mount in the Aurora?

 

[SupersonicMax]

Did AETE ever sign off on the iPad mount in the Aurora?

AETE doesn’t sign off on anything. It makes recommendations. DTAES (for airworthiness issues) and the Project Sponsor (for qualification issues) sign off on things.

 

[CBH99]

Electronic charts are not to be used for navigation

The military truly is one hilarious adventure after another

“No life like it!”

(Do we have a new motto to go with the cool new recruiting commercial? If not, what’s old is new again…)

 

[dimsum]

The military truly is one hilarious adventure after another

“No life like it!”

(Do we have a new motto to go with the cool new recruiting commercial? If not, what’s old is new again…)

To be fair, the "not to be used for navigation" isn't a military thing.

It was a regulatory thing - I think it was NAV CANADA's rule.

 

[SupersonicMax]

To be fair, the "not to be used for navigation" isn't a military thing.

It was a regulatory thing - I think it was NAV CANADA's rule.

NavCanada isn’t a regulator. There are two air regulators in Canada: DND and TC. We are also not bound by the standards that TC publishes. We publish our own (including for certification), although we heavily borrow from other regulators (too often civilian regulators imo). It is acknowledged by pretty much all regulators around the world that you should only use positional data from a tablet as situational awareness only as it is not certified for anything more than that.

 

[OldSolduer]

Question from the institutional crayon eater:

So when you navigate an aircraft from point A to point B what nav charts/maps do you use?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Question from the institutional crayon eater:

So when you navigate an aircraft from point A to point B what nav charts/maps do you use?

It really depends on how far you are going, how high you are flying and what you are doing.

 

[dimsum]

Question from the institutional crayon eater:

So when you navigate an aircraft from point A to point B what nav charts/maps do you use?

In Canada, NAV CANADA charts.

Overseas, there are other products.