Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Furniture]

Of course it will take two years...... no wonder we have issues

Military received 2,400 applications from permanent residents in November

The Canadian Armed Forces says it has received hundreds of applications from permanent residents interested in joining the military, but getting those prospective recruits into uniform could take up to two years.

www.ctvnews.ca

To be fair, two years depending on the required security clearance is not unreasonable for a non-citizen. To my knowledge that CAF didn't restrict it to just a few enhanced reliability occupations.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Of course it will take two years...... no wonder we have issues

Military received 2,400 applications from permanent residents in November

The Canadian Armed Forces says it has received hundreds of applications from permanent residents interested in joining the military, but getting those prospective recruits into uniform could take up to two years.

www.ctvnews.ca

Meanwhile, kids leaving college today are being snapped up by high paying businesses tomorrow...

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Is it crazy to imagine that most folks won't be touching anything particularly sensitive within their first 18-24 months in uniform?

There are some recruits I wouldn't want touching a microwave oven, let alone classified systems.

Perhaps it's time we tell DM Secur that they're the problem....

 

[Rifleman62]

While many are weeded out after failing aptitude, medical and security tests, officials say the majority end up voluntarily withdrawing.

VAC: Deny, Deny, Die.

CF Recruiting: piss around, piss around, pissed off.


P.S. Air Canada: We're not happy until you're unhappy.

 

[Kirkhill]

Is it crazy to imagine that most folks won't be touching anything particularly sensitive within their first 18-24 months in uniform?

There are some recruits I wouldn't want touching a microwave oven, let alone classified systems.

Perhaps it's time we tell DM Secur that they're the problem....

How long does it take for the USMC to process a foreigner and convert her from a interested candidate at the recruiting office into a private?

Recruit riflemen, troopers, gun bunnies and truckers first - and tell me that they all need security clearances.

Once they have been in a year or two some will want to transfer. People that want to join the trades will either have to wait their turn or, if they want to "jump the cue" become riflemen, troopers, gun bunnies and truckers.

 

[CBH99]

Of course it will take two years...... no wonder we have issues

Military received 2,400 applications from permanent residents in November

The Canadian Armed Forces says it has received hundreds of applications from permanent residents interested in joining the military, but getting those prospective recruits into uniform could take up to two years.

www.ctvnews.ca

Because they are fairly new to Canada, I can understand the security screening taking longer. Can't just let the automated CSIS process do its thing.

But 2 years is absurd. 2 years to get a few hundred people into uniform & starting their journey?

Agreed...no wonder we have issues...


After the basic checks are done, have the applicants swear their path all together, not individually.

Have friends & family there to clap, and staff from around the building attend if they can spare 5 minutes. The energy & positivity would be a great way to start a new career!

Have them draw kit, and start reporting to a unit while they wait for BMQ so they can be slightly less new once the course starts.

*And don't make everybody go to St. Jean! F**k that place! Run BMQ serials at Wainwright, Meaford, have local reserve units run 1 or 2 throughout the year for the are. And use St. Jean as well, just don't solely rely on it.

When their enhanced check comes back, more options will available to them.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

BMQ at St Jean is rumoured to be so watered down, I can't see why getting masses of recruits thru "even-more-Basic-Training" is an issue.

I agree with removing BMQ a "common to all"; let the environmental command run their own Recruit/Basic/Depot. Distributed BMQs were/are already being run; Camp Aldershot NS is home to RCAF BMQs.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Of course it will take two years...... no wonder we have issues

Military received 2,400 applications from permanent residents in November

The Canadian Armed Forces says it has received hundreds of applications from permanent residents interested in joining the military, but getting those prospective recruits into uniform could take up to two years.

www.ctvnews.ca

"officials say the majority end up voluntarily withdrawing."

When it takes 24 months to process - its no fricking wonder that the above occurs. Unreal. Heads should roll -

 

[OldSolduer]

BMQ at St Jean is rumoured to be so watered down, I can't see why getting masses of recruits thru "even-more-Basic-Training" is an issue.

I agree with removing BMQ a "common to all"; let the environmental command run their own Recruit/Basic/Depot. Distributed BMQs were/are already being run; Camp Aldershot NS is home to RCAF BMQs.

What is old is new is old is new. Cornwallis was the basic training facility for the RCN at one time. Regiments had the depots and I am not sure what the RCAF did. Borden maybe?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Because they are fairly new to Canada, I can understand the security screening taking longer. Can't just let the automated CSIS process do its thing.

But 2 years is absurd. 2 years to get a few hundred people into uniform & starting their journey?

Agreed...no wonder we have issues...


After the basic checks are done, have the applicants swear their path all together, not individually.

Have friends & family there to clap, and staff from around the building attend if they can spare 5 minutes. The energy & positivity would be a great way to start a new career!

Have them draw kit, and start reporting to a unit while they wait for BMQ so they can be slightly less new once the course starts.

*And don't make everybody go to St. Jean! F**k that place! Run BMQ serials at Wainwright, Meaford, have local reserve units run 1 or 2 throughout the year for the are. And use St. Jean as well, just don't solely rely on it.

When their enhanced check comes back, more options will available to them.

"Because they are fairly new to Canada, I can understand the security screening taking longer."

I'm not certain that statement covers the majority of PR's that might be looking to apply.

My mother become a PR in Jan of 1968 when she married my father and moved from Detroit to Windsor and she never became a CDN citizen, she passed in Aug 2020. My wife is a PR since Sept of 2000 and she's not a citizen either 22yrs later. I know personally a number, probably 10 people, who are similar to my family, been in Canada for decades and no desire to move forward with the process. The current state works just fine for them.

 

[Good2Golf]

Because they are fairly new to Canada, I can understand the security screening taking longer. Can't just let the automated CSIS process do its thing.

But 2 years is absurd. 2 years to get a few hundred people into uniform & starting their journey?

Agreed...no wonder we have issues...


After the basic checks are done, have the applicants swear their path all together, not individually.

Have friends & family there to clap, and staff from around the building attend if they can spare 5 minutes. The energy & positivity would be a great way to start a new career!

Have them draw kit, and start reporting to a unit while they wait for BMQ so they can be slightly less new once the course starts.

*And don't make everybody go to St. Jean! F**k that place! Run BMQ serials at Wainwright, Meaford, have local reserve units run 1 or 2 throughout the year for the are. And use St. Jean as well, just don't solely rely on it.

When their enhanced check comes back, more options will available to them.

I bet it took less time to approve those two Chinese foreign national microbiologists as PRs with clearances to work in the Winnipeg Level 4 bio lab….

 

[Czech_pivo]

I bet it took less time to approve those two Chinese foreign national microbiologists as PRs with clearances to work in he Winnipeg Level 4 bio lab….

Or, just as good - how long does it take the PR's who work for MP's to get their H of C clearance?

 

[Furniture]

Because they are fairly new to Canada, I can understand the security screening taking longer. Can't just let the automated CSIS process do its thing.

But 2 years is absurd. 2 years to get a few hundred people into uniform & starting their journey?

Agreed...no wonder we have issues...


After the basic checks are done, have the applicants swear their path all together, not individually.

Have friends & family there to clap, and staff from around the building attend if they can spare 5 minutes. The energy & positivity would be a great way to start a new career!

Have them draw kit, and start reporting to a unit while they wait for BMQ so they can be slightly less new once the course starts.

*And don't make everybody go to St. Jean! F**k that place! Run BMQ serials at Wainwright, Meaford, have local reserve units run 1 or 2 throughout the year for the are. And use St. Jean as well, just don't solely rely on it.

When their enhanced check comes back, more options will available to them.

Dispersed BMQ serials are already a thing, and there is no plan to stop running them.

I'm not sure if you were around back in the early-mid '00s, but the CAF tried the "bring them all in, then sort the rest out" thing back then. It resulted in massive holding platoons at bases all over the country, which resulted in lots of trouble being caused by bored troops. Many of those bored troops went on to resent the CAF, and the wasted time they spent. It also costs a lot of money, because once someone is in, it's hard to get rid of them when they turn out to not be suited to the job.

I'm sure the system can be improved, but I don't think that is the route to take.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Interesting piece of info on non-Americans in the military

https://immigrationforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/VNA-Fact-Sheet.pdf

 

[CBH99]

I bet it took less time to approve those two Chinese foreign national microbiologists as PRs with clearances to work in he Winnipeg Level 4 bio lab….

I bet you're right actually!

Man oh man...someone come save us from the silly people at the top

 

[CBH99]

Dispersed BMQ serials are already a thing, and there is no plan to stop running them.

I'm not sure if you were around back in the early-mid '00s, but the CAF tried the "bring them all in, then sort the rest out" thing back then. It resulted in massive holding platoons at bases all over the country, which resulted in lots of trouble being caused by bored troops. Many of those bored troops went on to resent the CAF, and the wasted time they spent. It also costs a lot of money, because once someone is in, it's hard to get rid of them when they turn out to not be suited to the job.

I'm sure the system can be improved, but I don't think that is the route to take.

Fair enough.

Can we agree that taking 2 years to get their applications approved & have them enrolled sounds like it's too long though?


(Question - are reg force BMQ serials run across the country also, or just for reserves?)

 

[Kirkhill]

Dispersed BMQ serials are already a thing, and there is no plan to stop running them.

I'm not sure if you were around back in the early-mid '00s, but the CAF tried the "bring them all in, then sort the rest out" thing back then. It resulted in massive holding platoons at bases all over the country, which resulted in lots of trouble being caused by bored troops. Many of those bored troops went on to resent the CAF, and the wasted time they spent. It also costs a lot of money, because once someone is in, it's hard to get rid of them when they turn out to not be suited to the job.

I'm sure the system can be improved, but I don't think that is the route to take.

That sounds like a failure of the system to utilize the graduates. The solution to not knowing what do with people was to slow the intake?

Either we have slots that need filling or we don't.

 

[dapaterson]

We required trained individuals to do jobs.

Training has to be aligned with intake.

It's like you're saying "I need a piece of particle board, but I'll just use that log instead - it's the same raw material".

 

[Eye In The Sky]

What is old is new is old is new. Cornwallis was the basic training facility for the RCN at one time. Regiments had the depots and I am not sure what the RCAF did. Borden maybe?

My dad did basic with the RCAF in Chatham NB back in the early 50s.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Dispersed BMQ serials are already a thing, and there is
I'm not sure if you were around back in the early-mid '00s, but the CAF tried the "bring them all in, then sort the rest out" thing back then. It resulted in massive holding platoons at bases all over the country, which resulted in lots of trouble being caused by bored troops. Many of those bored troops went on to resent the CAF, and the wasted time they spent. It also costs a lot of money, because once someone is in, it's hard to get rid of them when they turn out to not be suited to the job.

I'm sure the system can be improved, but I don't think that is the route to take.

Yup when they removed the Fitness test for reg force. Warrior platoon was born at CFLRS ( trust me. There were no warrior recruit on it) which then because RFT Coy and PRETC rear it’s ugly head in…Borden?

Agreed ; let’s not try that experiment again.