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John Manley's Report On Afganistan-Due Jan 22/ 2008

ACCT, AfDB, APEC, Arctic Council, ARF, AsDB, ASEAN (dialogue partner), Australia Group, BIS, C, CDB, CE (observer), EAPC, EBRD, ESA (cooperating state), FAO, G-7, G-8, G-10, IADB, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC, ICCt, ICRM, IDA, IEA, IFAD, IFC, IFRCS, IHO, ILO, IMF, IMO, IMSO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ISO, ITSO, ITU, ITUC, MIGA, MINUSTAH, MONUC, NAFTA, NAM (guest), NATO, NEA, NSG, OAS, OECD, OIF, OPCW, OSCE, Paris Club, PCA, PIF (partner), SECI (observer), UN, UNAMSIL, UNCTAD, UNDOF, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNMOVIC, UNRWA, UNTSO, UNWTO, UPU, WCL, WCO, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WTO, ZC
  From the CIA World Factbook, a list of the Groups in which Canada holds membership.

Would it be safe to suggest that CIDA's true function is to manage the membership fees to all these clubs?  If it is possible to join two clubs for one fee then someone gets promoted.  What the funds are actually used for may be secondary to the need to belong to these clubs.  That is what disbursement through multilateral agencies suggests to me.

It also suggests why no government is looking at increasing the development budget to Pearson's 0.7%.  There seems to be no accountable mechanism in place for delivering targeted aid.  I think someone is going to have to invent it.
 
<sarcasm>If Quebec has it's own military, then maybe they can provide the extra 1000 man battlegroup </sarcasm>

Kirkhill brings up a good point as always. We belong to a lot of clubs, but what benefit do we derive from belonging and what do these "clubs" actually do? Based on observation, perhaps we should do a "Surge" but increase the size of the PRT with the extra troops and seize the CDIA funds that are sitting idle to pay for the enlarged PRT to go out and do the basic development work that is needed.

How many CDIA rocket scientists do you need to train and hire locals to clear fields and repair irrigation ditches for agriculture, build or repair two lane roads to allow commerce to develop between villages and regions, plant trees, start micro-credit unions or establish local radio stations that give farmers weather reports and market news? (Just off the top of my head ideas). Since the PRT already does things like that on a small scale, giving them more resources to keep on doing these things, leaving the Battlegroup in place to protect these projects and gradually moving ANA and ANP to hold the areas we have cleared and developed is doable (we already know how to do this), proven effective and meets our long term goals.

While in the perfect world, civilian development agencies of CDIA would be out there doing the development work, so far they have shown about as much inclination to move out into Kandahar province as some of our NATO allies.

We might be able to Surge with a clear goal in mind and a clear understanding of what will happen at home while this goes on. Plan "B" might be to stop beating our heads against the wall in Old Europe and see if our new friends in the Partnership for Peace nations might step up instead. There is no reason to suppose the Poles, Romanians or Czechs (among others) are not equally brave and capable and we could sweeten the deal by offering multi lateral training in Wainwright or other suitable places (their Air Force might like flying in the wide open skies of Alberta or Labrador, for example), or perhaps other economic or diplomatic considerations might be on the table in return for their help.

I would suggest the weak point in the Manley commission's report is the unrealistic expectations of our allies and procurement system, and the Government should consider how to implement those things that are possible out of our own resources.

 
While the Turks are unlikely to show up at Kandahar, I wonder what Ms May has to say about the 1,200 Turkish Muslim Crusaders in Afstan:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080116_More_troops_to_Afghanistan.html

Turkey has NATO's second-largest military but keeps just 1,200 soldiers in Afghanistan, based around Kabul. The Turks argue they are under no obligation to do more, since they get no international support for their war against Kurdish insurgents.

Some allies actually make a bigger proportional contribution than the United States. It has 1.1 percent of its troops serving with NATO in Afghanistan, while Britain has 4 percent, Denmark 3.5 percent, the Netherlands 2.9 percent, and Canada 2.6 percent. All of those are active in the south.

Note that final percent. And note the Danes:
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/01/dane-commands-brits-in-major-helmand.html

Do you think one Canadian in a thousand (or one Canadian journalist in a hundred) realizes that Denmark is contributing more combat troops in Afstan per capita than Canada? And that those dreaded (they were over a thousand years ago) Danes are actually using highly controversial--at least in Canada--tanks?

Do our active politicians know any facts, or are they just all attitude? Asked, and I think implicitly answered.

What a small and ignorant mental world most Canadians inhabit.

Mark
Ottawa
 
looks like the report has sparked some enlightened discussion on ctv.ca

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080122/panel_opposition_080122/20080122?hub=TopStories

Glenn in Vernon
I congratulate Mr. Manley on doing a thorough review of this mission and coming up with a sensible set of recommendations. It is no secret that we need more help from other NATO countries in trying to contain the Taliban. I particualry wonder: where is France? Canada came to their aid in two world wars. This cost tens of thousands of Canadian lives but that is apparently forgotten...


Paul
Dion's only "strong reason" for abandoning the Afghan people is that he doesn't want to lose support to the NDP. If he were to take the courageous and correct position, Layton would have the pacifist crowd all to himself.


ET
I'm a Liberal, and I can understand Dion's point, but I would trust Manley's judgement on this one. At least if there were more troops, maybe the US (dare I say it), it would at least lift some of the combat burden off the Canadian forces to an acceptable level. I haven't had the opportunity to read the entire report, but it sounds like Manley's come up with some ideas that FINALLY make sense. Oh, and Jack Layton is just plain wrong! Cause if we just quit, then our troops will have died to ensure a complete anarchy which will engulf that region.


Marlane
You know, I get so tired listening to Layton and Dion and their simplistic, politically convenient responses to anything about the Afghan mission. It is difficult to carry on with the rebuilding of a nation when the opposition is shooting at you and trying to blow you up. Do they not get this ???


shayne
Correct me if I am wrong, but the bulk of our casualties in Iraq are caused by I.E.D.s. If you are going to get killed just driving up and down the road (and there are few roads to travel on mind you), what difference does it make if you are in a combat role or not? You are still dead. It is time Dion faced the facts and relized we will lose soldiers either way. We might as well stay in a combat role and at least let our boys try to keep the Taliban back from our secure areas. Otherwise we are just sitting ducks.
 
Do you think CIDA should be allocating money to commanders for johnny on the spot and even longer term projects.  I am sure commanders do have discretionary funds, for such activities, but are these monies coming from the DND, CIDA, or DFAIT?  If they are coming soley from DND,  I would say that a bit ridiculous and make the argument that DFAIT can serve a little champagne and caviar and their embassies and high commissions around the world and start ponying up some more cash for Aghanistan.  Seriously more money.  Maybe make it so that even a section commanders will have a small budget and can allocated some money with consent with the OC to needed projects they discover while out on patrol.  I am not sure exactly how things work right now, so apologies if I am out of my lane.  Another thing, Dion what are you thinking with Elizabeth May?  Seriously???  You actually want people to vote for you?
 
It is an interesting report, though the procurement of medium lift helicopters and UAVs time frame may be a bit tight for reality. (Though there may be someone in the EU NATO sector who is not using them at present).

One thing that does bother me and that is the coherence of civilian and military efforts. The military issue was discussed in Scotland last year anyway and from memory a “plan” is to be presented at the next NATO Defence Ministers this year. (Canada I think is the next meeting place).
The civilian issue is more complex. The complexity lies in the number of civilian groups with little fingers in the pie. I have seen this in other places. The result is usually disorganisation and groups though delivering relief etc tend to get disjoint in what is the real end result. Also monies tend to get lost and “misplaced” so total effort is reduced compared to the actual monies obtained. Here I will leave out the delicate aspect of “in house costs”.
Kirkhill’s comment and to quote:
There seems to be no accountable mechanism in place for delivering targeted aid. I think someone is going to have to invent it.
Is correct. It does become imperative that it is centralised and coordinated properly. This though will be politically a mine field as each civilian group has a perceived ‘right on its side’ concept. Ok some are better than others, but I do see it as being not easy.
The simplest is for a centralised system to say we need X and allocate civi group Y to procure and deliver it. Then it can be distributed. But that is just one simple example.

As for an additional BG to work with the Canadians, that makes sense. I suspect that is behinds Mr Gates’s intent with the Marine's 24th MEU coming in under the Canadian Command.
I think he is misguided in saying it’s a one off tour.
In that I would agree with tomahawk6 in that an US Army brigade o USMC MEU comes along after the current 24th MEU tour ends though it has a bigger chance possibly of being a Marine MEU than Army. Something to do with the marines wanting out of Iraq.

Anyway my just my opinion from far away.

 
I just have to say something here:
I read Elizabeth May (GreenParty) has spoken out in favor of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, did I read right?

Let me say this:
A Pte who has been to Afghanistan has more foreign policy experience than Ms. May.

Enough said.
 
A post at The Torch:

Manley Panel: Marines, helicopters and UAVs (and copying)
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/01/afstan-marines-and-helicopters-and-uavs.html

Plus:

Afghanistan: editorial reaction to Manley Report
Summary by Conference of Defence Associations, Jan. 23
http://www.cdaforumcad.ca/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1201119097/

Mark
Ottawa
 
An interesting politco-military analysis by Bruce Rolston:

Manley report: the day after
http://www.snappingturtle.net/flit/archives/2008_01_23.html#006322

Okay, so what's going to happen, or should happen, now that the Manley report is out?

Well, the big problem now is time. We're running out of it. The existing parliamentary mandate expires next February, and it would take a year for replacement forces from another nation to start spooling up, realistically. So we owe our allies notice. So Manley's idea of deferring a parliamentary debate until after the April Bucharest summit seems unviable. To present a reasonable ultimatum along the lines he proposes at that time means extending the current mandate by at least several months. The Opposition will not agree to that without other changes to the mission, obviously.

So, back to square one?

The Manley plan taken in whole does seem fundamentally non-implementable for this and other reasons (procurement time for helicopters, etc.) The real problem with it is, like all single-issue commissions, his doesn't evaluate the externalities. Not that this is a bad thing, it's terms of reference did (and should) preclude it from doing so, so it's not Beeker's fault that he could not consider questions such as whether Canada's arguable overcommitment to Afghanistan is preventing it from doing other, worthy things in other places, or whether Canadians replacing U.S. troops in Afghanistan means we're "enablers" to their less justifiable Iraq adventure. Again, Manley would have been exceeding his mandate if he had pronounced on those issues, but they're ones a government needs to consider. Effects on election timings are another, of course, and that is what the government's and the opposition's responses this week are really going to be calibrated to.

The PM has a couple options. He can try a last-ditch stand on extending the mission as is or bigger, embracing the report, and daring the Liberals to overthrow the government before the April NATO summit. It would almost certainly be in the Liberals' political interest to do so, rather than risk the PM appearing the statesman in Bucharest and losing anti-Afghanistan votes to the NDP and Greens. (An election, of course, would force at least a short-term extension of the Kandahar mission and almost certainly preclude effective inter-NATO diplomacy at Bucharest.)

If there is an election, the Conservatives will likely have to mollify the public by promising a drawdown of the mission anyway: "staying until the job is done" isn't going to cut it. And the Liberals if elected will likely be more drastic. So "Manley as it's written", or "stay the course," for all their virtues, are politically dead letters already.

So what the PM probably needs to do, whether he wants an election or not, is embrace the Manley Commission's principles, while not feeling constrained by its recommendations overmuch. The smart political move is also to take a position that neutralizes the Liberals on this issue.

Manley does help in this by effectively taking a couple of the crazier proposals off the table, like trading provinces with another NATO country. The PM should accept that logic. Everyone involved also needs to be clear that, even if no one says it out loud, only a couple countries have the ability to replace a whole battle group in an expeditionary force, and only one is in a real position to do so in this timeframe.

The most likely replacement force, whether Canada pulls out unilaterally or does not, is the U.S.; specifically the 3,000-strong Marine formation currently deploying to southern Afghanistan. They're also currently scheduled to pull out around February '09. So what this is really about operationally is getting the U.S. to commit those troops to Kandahar province longer than that, in conjunction with some kind of continued Canadian presence. Between the lines, that is what the Manley report is recommending. It is also the current Liberal position once you unpack it: there is no doubt that NATO has to hang on to Kandahar province: it's hugely strategic, so some major Western nation will have a battle group there when we go, regardless. So executing the Liberal plan (or NDP plan, for that matter) can only realistically mean handing over some responsibilities in Kandahar province to the U.S. next February.

(Frankly, one can't help but assume that the reason the U.S. rapidly reversed a decision not to deploy Marines to southern Afghanistan (they nixed it only recently, then un-nixed it around the same time their defense secretary uttered some petulant comments about the quality of their allies) is that they assume there's a high probability now of some Canadian drawdown, and need those in-place forces to pick up the slack if and when that happens. Manley's concerns about Canada's unreliability as an ally are certainly already being factored into U.S. strategic planning.)

Once you subtract all that out, all we're left is haggling about who provides the 1-2 NATO battlegroups (@ c.1,000 soldiers each), which is a strategically insignificant question. Indeed, reduced to their ground-force realities, and minus the rhetoric, you could basically sum up the various positions on what NATO should have in Kandahar province after February 2009 this way:

Manley: 1 Canadian battlegroup, 1 U.S. battlegroup, Cdn training and reconstruction teams
Liberals: 1-2 U.S. battlegroups, Cdn training and reconstruction teams
NDP: 1-2 U.S. battlegroups, no Cdns.

Given the options, the PM could well choose to forego the chicken-diplomacy game Manley's proposing and buy into the Liberal position on this one. He could put a new proposal before Parliament that Canadian training and reconstruction teams will remain in place after 2009 "until the job is done" but that the Canadian battle group will be rotated out and replaced by whatever forces Comd ISAF assigns (in other words, a Marine battlegroup or two). Canada would become the junior partner to the U.S. in Kandahar, doing the softer tasks the same way the Danes are doing in a British formation in Helmand, or the Australians are doing in the Dutch framework in Uruzgan. This would not be a horrible outcome.

The Conservatives could probably modify foreign allies and local pro-war supporters by saying that any critically-required resources (specifically the artillery battery, reconnaissance or tank squadrons) could stay in place as part of the new (U.S.) battlegroup if the new nation could not field similar resources right away, and be only pulled out when replacements exist or 2011, whichever comes first. (In reality, these are assets relied upon just as much by the local Afghan forces for their combat power, and would be most sorely missed by them.)

That means that the withdrawal would be effectively limited in the immediate term to as little as the two companies of Canadian infantry, plus some of their logistical tail, and the battlegroup headquarters [emphasis added]. It would be hard for the Leader of the Opposition, post-Manley, to not support a proposal along these lines, which would see Canadian troop levels in theatre drop to 2,000 or so and the mission "refocussed", whatever that means. Some of those infantrymen could also be reassigned to a larger PRT or military training presence.

The PM could justify the proposal by saying it has the spirit of Manley, is bipartisan, and gives Canada back some strategic depth that could be applied to other NATO or UN tasks in future. It would probably be well-received in Bucharest: the European allies would prefer a Canadian position that wouldn't change overmuch regardless of who won our election, to Manley's proposed game of chicken with the U.S. over whether 1,000 Marines stay or not. (No one else is going to come forward anyway; the French are the only other nation that could both provide a battlegroup, and would be trusted by the other allies with what is a critical task, but they certainly couldn't be in place in that strength starting from a decision in Bucharest before late-2009 at the earliest.)

And should a Democrat takes the White House in the fall (and both Clinton and Obama support an increased American presence in Afghanistan) the domestic pressure in this country for further withdrawals (largely rooted in visceral anti-Bushism) will largely drop and this will drop in prominence as an issue, restoring both Conservative and Liberal freedom to maneuver.

It's not particularly combat-efficient, as you're basically subbing out warfighters while keeping most of the support infrastructure in place. It also doesn't actually solve any of the problems anti-Afghanistan Canadians are complaining about. Canadian soldiers will still be exposed to violence; issues like what to do with detainees will only be complicated when Canadians are seen to be working under a tactical U.S. command; the risk of bombing etc. to Afghan civilians will not diminish. But it still may be all that's politically achievable right now.

In short, Harper probably shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good on this one: given the plausible outcomes, a Canadian presence in Kandahar, minus a Canadian battlegroup per se, could be the most politically robust option currently achievable to him [emphasis added].

Plus this from Terry Glavin, a thoughtful member of the left (good links in the post):

John Manley's Afghanistan Panel Report And The Historic Mission of The Left
http://transmontanus.blogspot.com/2008/01/michael-manleys-afghanistan-panel.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
The Snapping Turtle article, while pretty clear, concise and probable, still makes me feel like we are running away.
 
GAP: That, sadly, is Canadian political reality.  I think Mr Rolston is trying to come up with a least worst case scenario that might be sold, as it were.

Mark
Ottawa
 
Here's [urlhttp://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0801/S00240.htm]what a US State Dep't Deputy Spokesperson had to say[/url] about the report - sounds like generic messaging, as opposed to specific messaging developed JUST for the report - FYI:

(....)

QUESTION: Yesterday the Canadian Government released a report from an independent commission that recommended that Canada's military mission in Afghanistan continue beyond February 2009 if certain conditions are met, including that NATO or other countries provide 1,000 more troops to help with the fighting. What is the reaction of the U.S. Government to that report -- out of that recommendation?

(Tom Casey, Deputy Spokesman):  Well, I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the report of and by itself. But look, we all of us -- the United States, Canada and all NATO members have an obligation to meet the commitments that we've made for Afghanistan. As you know, the United States - Secretary Gates has just recently recommended the addition of over 3,000 Marine forces to reinforce U.S. efforts there. And we continue to believe that it's imperative that all NATO allies do what they can and make the commitments that they can to support the mission in Afghanistan. As you certainly know, Canada has been a leading player in the efforts there. The United States very much appreciates the contributions that Canada's made and we know that Canadian soldiers are fighting and dying in that effort to help move Afghanistan forward. So certainly we are appreciative of the efforts Canada's made We'd like to see those efforts continue. But we do recognize the fact that all of us in the NATO alliance have more that we can do.

QUESTION: If those conditions were met would you welcome Canada staying in Afghanistan indefinitely, beyond 2009?

MR. CASEY: Well, again, the decision on whether to remain and to what extent and level are really decisions for the Canadian Government and the Canadian people to make. Certainly, we believe it's important, though, that all of us as NATO allies do our part, and we'd encourage Canada as well as all other NATO members to make whatever contributions they're able to this mission.

(....)

 
Manley report spreads chaos in Punditland
Posted: January 23, 2008, 1:06 PM by Kelly McParland
Blogs, Afghanistan, Ottawa, Canada, Politics, Comment



If John Manley achieved nothing else with his report on Afghanistan, he did succeed in discombobulating the learned analysts of the Canadian media.

The pundits don’t have a clue what Manley said. Or rather they have lots of clues -- they just don’t agree with one another.

Our own John Ivison says Manley issued a clear message to Stéphane Dion to clear the wool out of his brain. The Liberal leader’s fixation on yanking the troops out by February 2009 is an “artificial deadline,” with “no operational logic,”  according to the report. His determination to switch from combat to training operations “falsely implies a clear line between training roles and combat activity; in reality, training and mentoring sometimes mean conducting combat operations with them.”

Don Martin, also our own, says it’s a message to Stephen Harper. The mission “is a mess,” There are too few troops, and  those doing the fighting “are ill-equipped, poorly co-ordinated and losing ground to the enemy while failing to deliver adequate humanitarian aid or reconstruction help to average Afghans.” It’s “put up or shut up” for the prime minister.

The Star’s Chantal Hebert says no, it’s really a challenge to both men: “John Manley has handed Prime Minister Stephen Harper a Rubik’s cube that he cannot solve without Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion.” Unless he gets the 1,000 troops Manley says NATO must provide, he shouldn’t even bother asking Parliament for an extension.

No way, says the Star’s Rosie DiManno. Canada’s troops aren’t going anywhere.  Manley’s report “has given Prime Minister Stephen Harper the moral and political traction he needs to keep troops in Afghanistan – as more than war-theatre mannequins – beyond the 2009 deadline that was always a fanciful notion.”

The Globe’s Christie Blatchford, who almost shed tears over her copy, says Manley has produced  “the report Canadian soldiers and their 77 fallen brothers (and one sister, Captain Nichola Goddard) and many more wounded deserve, an unvarnished evaluation of the mission in Kandahar.” It is now up to Harper “to embrace it fully in a way he has not done before.”

Get real says Thomas Walkom, back at the Star. This is just more  same old, same old. “At its core,” he writes, “former foreign affairs minister John Manley’s report on Afghanistan is an eloquent call for more of the same.” Lots of guff about needing more troops, needing more equipment, putting more effort into non-combat efforts, but, “in short, it says we should continue to do what we are doing already – but better.”

Scott Taylor of Esprit de Corps also doesn’t know what Blatchford is talking about. The report’s contents “are as predictable as they are ultimately disappointing.” Suggesting we pull out unless we get more troops “is absurd.” The demand for more helicopters is “a stale old chestnut.” The whole affair  “was a missed opportunity for Canada to change direction while continuing our commitment to the people of Afghanistan.”

Warren Kinsella thinks Taylor is nuts. The report is not the whitewash he expected, but "a finely-balanced effort, thoughtful, and it poses formidable political challenges for all of our current political leaders."


Canadian Press agrees with Ivison, that this is all bad news for Dion.  The report “looks more like a 90-page rolled up newspaper with which to smack the Liberals on the nose,” it says. And Manley did nothing to soften the blow, but “ripped into the left flank of his own party brethren.”

Globe blogger Adam Radwanski isn’t so sure. Actually, he says, Manley largely parroted Dion’s position: Notify NATO we’re tired of carrying the can alone and demand more troops. And if they say no? Well, that’s where it gets sticky. Do we pull out and let the mission collapse? Manley, like Dion, doesn’t have an answer, says Radwanski. Neither has a Plan B. “All the solutions put forward thus far are based on the good-faith assumption that, having shirked their responsibilities to date, our partners will suddenly bow to a bit of pressure from Stephen Harper and send in the troops.”

So you got that? This is a disaster for Dion, except when it’s bad news for Harper. It’s more of the same, except where it’s a call for change. There aren’t any real solutions, though it’s just what the troops have been demanding.

It’s all probably a tribute to Manley, who seems to have said something to satisfy all opinions. Which is what politics is all about. Though I could be wrong on that.

Kelly McParland is Politics Editor of the National Post. He hasn't got a clue what Manley was on about either.
 
...Don Martin, also our own, says it’s a message to Stephen Harper. The mission “is a mess,” There are too few troops, and  those doing the fighting “are ill-equipped, poorly co-ordinated and losing ground to the enemy while failing to deliver adequate humanitarian aid or reconstruction help to average Afghans.” It’s “put up or shut up” for the prime minister...


Mr Martin, the CF mission is to deny terrain to the Taliban. It is the duty of the civilian partners to deliver humanitarian aid or reconstruction. We're doing our part, I can't say the same for the rest. Until you're willing to gain a full perspective on the mission... put up or shut up.
 
Stegner

Sort out your post.

Give us the link to the article.

What is the quote and what is your comments?
 
My entire previous post was quoted and the article may be found in full here: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/01/23/manley-report-spreads-chaos-in-punditland.aspx 

Apologies for the confusion. 

No comments really.  I just thought it was interesting that there would be so many interpretations to the report in the media.  What ever happened to reporting the facts instead of making wild guesses?  Sadly, the Manley Report was viewed in terms of a political battle.  With them guessing who won: Dion or Harper?  In this reporting, the mission itself served as a background, instead of the very real and dangerous battle in which the CF is now engaged.   
 
stegner said:
My entire previous post was quoted and the article may be found in full here: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/01/23/manley-report-spreads-chaos-in-punditland.aspx 

Apologies for the confusion. 

No comments really.  I just thought it was interesting that there would be so many interpretations to the report in the media.  What ever happened to reporting the facts instead of making wild guesses?.............   

Sorry.  It just looked like you had added comments at the bottom:

"Kelly McParland is Politics Editor of the National Post. He hasn't got a clue what Manley was on about either"

I guess there are some different "Schools of Journalism" in the various Press these days.
 
Admittedly, I haven't read the report, but the idea that the difference between success or failure in Afghanistan is only 1,000 (combat) soldiers is somewhat surprising.  I would think that more would be needed to change the outcome from one certainty to the other!  Either way, suspect that a lot of these analysts are ignoring France as a potential 'partner' for the CF in Afghanistan (vis-a-vis the Manley Report specifically, I realise they already have a presence in the country), the odds of which I suspect are relatively high.
 
Aden_Gatling said:
Admittedly, I haven't read the report, but the idea that the difference between success or failure in Afghanistan is only 1,000 (combat) soldiers is somewhat surprising.
By my read of the report 1,000 soldiers is the difference between the status quo & the bare minimum in Kandahar alone.
 
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